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Topic: GENESIS TO TOUR - Its Official!
Posted By: Tony R
Subject: GENESIS TO TOUR - Its Official!
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 14:48
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courtesy of the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6064022.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6064022.stm Rockers Genesis plan reunion tour: Collins left the band in 1996 to pursue solo projects Rock veterans Genesis are to reform, 10 years after frontman Phil Collins left. Collins, 55, with guitarist Mike Rutherford, 56, and keyboardist Tony Banks, 56, have agreed to take part in a major tour. Genesis sold over 130 million albums during the '70s and '80s, despite losing singer Peter Gabriel in 1975. A spokesman said specific details of the tour and "long term plans" including possible new material would be announced in the next few weeks. Collins had already voiced interest in a reunion before he announced his spilt from Orianne, his wife of six years, in March. No mention of Hackett.... |
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 14:52
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Hmm... No Hackett, No Gabriel...
I will still be going to see that show when it comes in Montreal. I saw the 'We Can't Dance' concert and I enjoyed it a lot. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 14:54
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They havent been together for at least 1997-2000, not exactly sure. very good their reforming. ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 15:27
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Wait, there's no Hackett or Gabriel??? I'm not sure if I'm gonna be interested in that. ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
Posted By: Progfans
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 15:48
 Pay 350$ for see a "Semi-Genesis Reunion" No thanks...I prefer see the musical box ------------- La cuisine c,est comme l,amour, il faut y croire pour que ca marche |
SirPsycho388 wrote:Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 15:50
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo shoot me now. For the love of God why? WHY? ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 15:54
now com'on Tony, you know that we shouldn't focus on that...   well good for them. no chance I'm gonna get anything but news on how it was. let's just see where this is going. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 15:55
| This thread title is a little misleading... |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 16:30
No Hackett,no Gabriel....no interest. -------------  |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 16:41
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^ That's exactly where I stand.
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 16:49
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No Hackett or Gabriel = I don't care. -------------  
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 18:14
Summed up nicely there, Jody. |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 18:36
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meh...
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 18:38
Yep. ------------- 
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 18:45
| While it is rather disappointing Hackett and Gabriel aren't mentioned, with the assumptions they won't be on the tour, it could still be an enjoyable show......maybe. |
Posted By: baldy flapstick
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 20:13
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I agree no
Gabriel no Hackett = no interest, but what I notice also is Collins
with yet another marriage break up. This reunion seems like a late
mid-life crisis to me and of no real value except to rake in some more
dosh. I've seen The Musical Box three times and they were marvellous
value, can't imagine that this proposed tour could possibly meet my
expectations and comes hot on the heels of The Musical Box having their
licence to perform revoked by Genesis. So insted of a marvellous
reenactment of everything that was good about Genesis we now have
bloody Phil Collins opening his gob again with a session drummer doing
what Collins should have stuck to, the world would have been a better
place had he never sung a note although millions of housewives
worldwide would no doubt have ended up disappointed.
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Posted By: laztraz
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 20:32
| What is this about Musical Box having their llicense revoked? |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 20:47
No Gabriel,no Hackett= boring been there b4.Did actually enjoy it back then 20 years ago but definately not now.Cant listen to ANY post Hackett stuff. That music hasn't aged very well,unlke the Gabriel era material.------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 22:10
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I wish it was the real Genesis line up would reform and not the 80s watered down imposter version. All I ask at the very least is Hackett in it, hell I'd be interested if it was just Hackett and Banks.
I still sounds like Banks and Rutherford's desire to make loads of cash defeats their desire to make some real art yet agan
It'd better if they hadn't reformed in the first place...groan..complain...moan... ------------- |
Posted By: The Letter M
Date Posted: October 18 2006 at 23:40
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Maybe I'm the only one here who feels this way, but I'm eeriely optimistic about this possible tour and studio work from the Trio Genesis. I love the work they did together (well, most of it. Half of Abacab I could care less for), and I'm sure after a decade apart, they have a lot of ideas, influences and other things they could pool together to make for an interesting album (if they do record anything). Who knows, maybe they'll toss out another epic (if anything, Duke-Suite style or Fading Lights-like).
I will most definitely go on this tour if it hits near my area, or will die trying to get to the closest show. I'm hopeful. Give them a chance. It's been a decade, and I'm sure they've got something up their sleeves. Also, yeah- what's this about The Musical Box's license being revoked? I wasn't aware they even NEEDED a license to perform that stuff, but I guess so if they are recreating the old shows verbatim. Any links to that news? -Marc. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know. I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will. If I die tomorrow, I`d be alright because I believe that after we`re gone, the spirit carries on. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 00:41
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I for one am thrilled at the prospect of any new Genesis material down the road, whether just the three guys or 4 or 5. Most fans probably will be really excited by the news and to compare Genesis to The Musical Box makes no sense. They are a tribute band, nothing more. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 00:50
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If they are 4 or 5 I will spend my few bucks in a plane and see them
If they are 3 men, I rather watch The Musical Box.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 03:49
 ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: White Duck
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 04:23
| No Hackett,no Gabriel...NO GENESIS!!!!! |
Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 04:31
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I think it's a good thing. They're not 100% prog but they're still a very fine rock band when you compare them to a lot of the other rock bands that are around. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 04:43
Well said. It's very easy to get on the "Genesis are crap without Hackett & Gabriel" bandwagon.
I agree entirely that their pre Then There Were Three stuff was more progressive and can see why some people stop listening there but there is no getting away from the fact that they are still three fine musicians and with a good session lead guitarist and drummer can really kick ass.
Whilst I wouldn't travel miles or pay a fortune to see them I still remember the Mama and We Can't Dance tours and whilst they weren't the same as Seconds Out they were still damn good shows.
If they rehearse well and play some of the earlier stuff it should be well worth seeing. ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: baldy flapstick
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 06:04
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http://www.wiventertainment.de/ - http://www.wiventertainment.de/ "For 15 years THE MUSICAL BOX has been re-enacting GENESIS performances as
originally presented between 1973 and 1975. In 2007 the band will tour in This is because their licence runs out soon after. Think mainly because
Genesis got jealous lol. Anyone who calls The Musical Box a tribute band is
crazy, a tribute band just covers another bands songs and maybe tries to look
like them a bit. The Musical Box do exact re-enactments of Genesis shows to
every minute detail. The only tiny failing they have is the bass player plays
left handed, beyond that it’s pretty much just like being at the original show,
which is unlike any tribute band I’ve seen. Re-Genesis are quite average, even
poor by comparison. ------------- Here Comes The Supernatural Anaesthetist |
Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 06:19
So true! Shame that Hackett & Gabriel are not involved  ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 06:59
I have named The Musical Box a tribute band because a cover band just plays covers and a tribute band tries to pay tribute in more than a musical way and that's excactly what The Musical Box does, it's even the ultimate tribute band  .. greetings from 'crazy Erik' 
By the way, I have very mixed feelings about the Phil Collins Trio Reunion tour: on one hand I dislike most of their compositions from And Then There Were Three and later
 but on the other hand, if they play some 70-77 Genesis footage with Tony Banks on his ARP Pro Solist synthesizer, Hammond organ and decent Mellotron samples and an additional guitarist at the level of Daryl Stuermer .. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 08:57
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 09:01
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I'm happy myself. I'm not the hugest fan of their 80s period, but I honestly don't think that if they do record new material, they'd do as much AOR. There's less of a pressure on bands to go commercial than there obviously was in the 80s. They must know it's the prog material that inspires the most affection. And if nothing else, if they do record a new album it would at least ensure the dreadful 'Calling All Stations' wasn't their last.
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Posted By: Wotgorilla
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:38
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They are not likely to tour Australia, so the issue of the line up does not concern me personally, although a DVD will be a likely by-product. The problem with an 80's focused show is, where are all the pop fans who jumped on the bandwagon circa IT and WCD now? Those albums may have sold more copy, but a poll of the most listened to Genesis albums in the 21st century would surely list the Gabriel-Hackett era material (71-77) way out in front. ------------- "Thru the darkest age we can surely fly, thru the darkest age with the Fist of Fire" |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:44
So am I not entitled to my opinion? ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:49
Quite possibly and while I would defend some of the post Gabriel/Hackett material I could not defend the post Gabriel, Hackett and Collins album. As you say that was truly dreadful. ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Dennis
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:52
This news is a huge disapointment to fans of the "real" Genesis. I will never forgive these guys for stabbing their old fans in the back after the departures of Gabriel and Hackett. My God, didn't they make enough money in the 80's and 90's? The buzz around the net is saying that Gabriel still may rejoin (probably Hackett then too) in a 2008 tour, but not for this planned 2007 tour. I'm guessing that albums sales have slacked in recent years, plus Phil just divorced his third wife. She must have made a killing! Let's call it "The We Can Still Dance To Make More Money Tour." Absolutely pathetic! They will not see a dime of my money! And once again I will say, No Gabriel, No Hackett, No Way!!
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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:59
In what way?
The band changed and evolved. If you didn't like the new stuff then that was your choice. Not sure how they stabbed their fans in the back. ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Dennis
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 11:18
IMHO the band went backwards and regressed from being a highly advanced and artistic musical and theatrical entity of the highest standards and quality to a simplistic "pop" orientated band, with a lowering of musical standards and lyric content. Anyone who is a serious progressive music lover knows that this is a fact, and cannot tolerate the band "turning" on us. And again as stated in previous posts I do know that many think that the "pop" music that the post Gabriel/Hackett band produced is a cut above most other "pop" music. But I'm not going to argue with anyone about that, nor reply furthur. My musical tastes demand more, not less of a progressive rock band that I love, sorry! And to me the post Gabriel/Hackett Genesis gave us so much less artistically and so much more financially to their pockets. Sure everyone wants to make money, but not at the sake of losing the artistic essence of a great musical entity. And the band were becoming huge anyway before Gabriel departed. They were so great that they could not have been denied.The move from prog to pop will always seem a cheap move to me. It's like Michaelangelo going from his oil paintings to writing with crayons. No one will ever convince me otherwise. ------------- "Day dawns dark, it now numbers infinity" |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 12:17
I don't disagree that they moved in a simpler more pop orientated direction but I don't for one minute think that they had a band meeting in which they specifically decided to sh*t on all their old fans. They are individual musicians free to pursue their own directions, we don't own them. We can choose to like or dislike their music but we shouldn't hold it personally against them. I also doubt whether they decided to go in their new direction purely for financial reasons; although their descision to tour again now may well be motivated by money. It's a big gamble 'though because the cost of staging a big tour now, with all the new H&S regulations and insurance required, can bankrupt a band if the audience doesn't show. ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 12:34
Heavyfreight wrote:
No Heavyfreight, evolving works from simple to complex, not backwards, starting with The Silent Subn and Ending with Supper's Ready is evolving but starting with The Musical Box and ending with Illegal Alien is not evolution. Darwin described it perfectly.
And yes Collins stabbed the old fans not with the change but with his atitudes, two phrases are remembered:
1.- One fan shouted in an Illegal Alien tour: Watcher of the Slies!!! and Collins replied "We don't play that crap anymore.
2.- In the infaous ABACRAP tour Collins insulted the public repeatedly because they asked old stuff.
That's not the way to treat the fans who supported them when nobody liked them, he was happy with his new fabulous fan base and never cared again for the real 2 decades fans.
He can play whatever he wants and I can believe it's crap as I do, the option is a two way highway.
Yes they did, it's obvious, Collins started to hrow sh!t with electric fan to Prog, he thanked publicly (Genesis a History) Punk for destroying POP, he said that Yes bored him and that he never understood The Lamb, but now that the POP fans (Not very loyal) don't remember them he started to say that Yes was always his favorite band and that The Lamb was his favorite album ever.
Iván
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Posted By: Dennis
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 13:15
Thank you Ivan for your support on this matter. You are as spot on as I was with my feelings. It's like the old song "Be True To Your School." Also be true to your band and the fans who supported you in the first place. It seems odd that Phil Collins played and sang so damned well in the Gabriel/Hackett era Genesis. I can't understand why he would poo-pooh the prog material?  You know he really did like the prog stuff in his heart of hearts. I mean Brand X wasn't commercial by any means was it now? I guess he just thought he was being slick and cool to get more support from his new and much less educated musical audience. Collins should have renamed the band Devo! ------------- "Day dawns dark, it now numbers infinity" |
Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 13:46
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It was probably half a year ago when Sweden's biggest newspaper announced something similar, only with the 71-75 lineup, the one we all love so much.
It turned out to be false rumours though, and I won't believe this either if it's not on their official site, which it isn't yet.
But then, I don't want to belive it.
In fact, I don't want Geneis to reunion at all. Of course I would see their shows but I rather keep the myth alive.
A trio reunion is quite a dissapointment too. What are they even thinking, they must know that the 70s stuff are what people want to hear today, or?
I'll maybe go and see them if they comes too Sweden and their show get good reviews.
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Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 13:53
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Hey Genesis fans, you don't own them, you know- they're people...they owe you nothing. You chose to buy their albums and obsess over their genius. If they want to tour and you don't want to go, so be it. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: fairyliar
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 14:03
| I'm no real big fan of the 80s Genesis but if I have the opportunity to see them (and if the ticket price does'nt exceed 150€...) I will go just for the atmosphere and to sing Land Of Confusion :) |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:01
Well said Heavyfreight....sadly some opinions ( respected or not) have such vitriolic hatred for the 3 man era and their material they put out, you wonder how such expert opinions did not yield musical superiority from the posters themselves. Genesis made some excellent material from ATTWT with the exception of IT. Fellow posters as much as it makes some of you feel awful that a vast majority of Genesis fans liked the 3 man era ( or parts of it), these fans also know their music too. ( not quoted from Ripley's Believe it or Not) ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:22
What??? 130 million jejeje, isnt that too much? I mean, yes they really SOLD!!! But 130 million albums??? Hard to belive ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:21
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While all of your opinions are certainly valid in our little world here, I am 1000% sure that the three of them could care less. If you were in their shoes, you would probably be the same way. They have had a nice rest and now they can go back to the business of making bushels of money while their bodies are still up for touring. And while the whole idea of all 5 of them going in would be nice, I am sure that the potential conflicts are just not worth it in their eyes. Besides, the biggest portion of the fan base could care less about Peter Gabriel and few of them have even heard of Steve Hackett. In the old pocketbook, the number 3 adds up a whole lot better than 5 in this scenario. Sorry to say. ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:27
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I checked the official website, and a forum thread is there which is is titled Please Read this Tony, Mike and Phil; about 80% of them are begging them for Steve Hackett to return. But maybe it was Steve's choice right?
BBC news website had an article posted a few hours ago with Peter Gabrial saying he is too busy with another idea for an album but might join in 2008. So I guess not all hope is lost. ------------- |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:30
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Genesis tour... a nose hair is more interesting and appealing than that. The real talented ones are... well, we all know. By the way; Tony Banks solo efforts are disgusting. ------------- ˇBeware of the Bee! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 20:42
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 20:54
Give this guy a Xanax!!!
Calling TB, PC and MR old farts, I personally find offensive, but it's opinions right? ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 21:09
Please read my post, I'm very careful with what I say, I'm not saying they are old farts, Yes members are older, Pink Floyd members are older, Jethro Tull members are older.
I said that for the POP market based in looks, coolness and popularity they are old farts, the average POP fan stops going to to concerts when he/she gets a job or marries, Prog heads travel countries to see people older than MR, PC and TB even after married or even retired.
Progheads respect their idols, most pop fans only respect popularity.
Sad but truth.
Who buys Micheal Jackson, Andrea True, Donna Summer, Earth Wind & Fire albums despite they were as popular as Genesis?
But progheads keep buying The Lamb, Close to the Edge, Dark Side of the Moon, etc.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 21:17
Thanks Ivan.....so would you say therfore that TB, PC and MR are highly credible individuals? Can you also educate the masses as to where the POP market evidence you have comes from and also ( more important) to me the statistics on The Lamb, CTTE,DSOTM album sales?? I do not disagree with you on the latter but would love to see you evidence on album sales.....
Rgds
Chris ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 21:17
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Ivan, I'll just say that I basically disagree with everything you have said here, but won't quote it all sice it's quite a lot. I won't say bullsh*t because that would be swearing and offending and it's not that. But I'm saying that I agree with the people you're fighting, and some people too.
Let it be known, that should GENESIS ever come near Finland, be it 3 of 5, I'm so there. So what if I enjoyed listening to calling all stations. Duke is still one of my favourites. I even considered going to see Phil Collins when he was here performing live. He still is one of the best drummers I've heard playing. I don't have anything against him. He didn't ruin Genesis, nor did the two. Gabriel left, Hackett left, sure they have ther reasons, everyone always has. And they left with what they had to give to the band. And after that there was no reason for Banks, Rutherford and Collins to copy stuff Hackett would do for instance, nor a reason to change the name of the band. They're still most of the people in the band, 3 out of 5. And if Hackett or Gabriel wouldn't care to join this project, I have nothing against that, surely if they don't want to they have their reasons, but it's still bloody Genesis, and I doubt even they'll go denying that. sh*t, it's 4 am, I'm off to bed. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 21:24
It's your choice, but for me Genesis ceased to exist the day Hackett left as for most progheads, but everybody is entitled to his/her taste.
If they come to Perú with 3 men (Something I doubt), I will do what I did the day Collins came here, stay at my house or go to a retro Pub to listen Prog music or a olocal band playing classic Rock.
That's my taste and I believe I'm entitled to it as you are to your opinion.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 21:36
Hi Guys - Ill be honest I don't normally join Forums but after reading the paragraph above (in red) I felt I had to comment, and hopefully by the end of the post you will understand that my comments are not based on hear-say or guess work...
On the night of the Milton Keynes Bowl gig, I was working for Steve Hackett as I had been for the 3 years previous. The phone call came into the Office about Genesis reforming for the Show and Steve WAS invited to rehearsals but was in Brazil at the time. He did, however, return earlier than planned and after speaking with Hit and Run, we duly showed up at Milton Keynes Bowl at around 5pm. I know this, because I drove him there. I also know that it was Steve's decision only to come on for I KNOW WHAT I LIKE - it had nothing to do with anything other than an inability to make the rehearsals during the week. I promise you, he DID NOT have to buy a ticket *lol*.
What happened back-stage before and after the Show would take far too long to detail here, but Ill summarise a conversation Steve and I had sitting in a Motorway cafe, surrounded by people who had been to the Show but failed to recognise the short, bespectacled chap next to me. When I asked him if he had enjoyed himself that night, his reply was "Yes - we laid a lot of ghosts to rest there".
The track "Timelapse at Milton Keynes" was the result of Steve attending this Show, at the request of Genesis, the Band - as a whole - responding to Peter's original request for help.
I don't know whether a new Genesis Tour is planned, but I do know that my account of Steve's part in the Milton Keynes Bowl Show is verifiable and checkable fact.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 19 2006 at 22:41
I'm sure I messed it here because you were there and I accept it, but the references are contradictory as I repeatedly read.
Will check it anyway because still you can find some contradictory info like the official poster and reading the Genesis Museum http://www.genesismuseum.com/6otb.htm - http//www.genesismuseum.com/6otb.htm , BUT I'M SURELY wrong:
Also from the http://www.genesis-music.com/ - http://www.genesis-music.com/ Official Genesis site
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISTAKE BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY MINE, BUT I WAS SURE I HAD READ IT SOMEWHERE.
It's good to have someone here who was present to kill some rumors that I honestly had read, and believe me, there are more in the net and if even the official Genesis website publishes that Steve was not invited (Something totally incredible for a musical icon as Steve), then the official poster doesn't mention him and the Six Members can be numbered (Not guess or hear-talk but official info) well, what can we believe?
EDIT: Cassually found I'm not the only one who believed this:
EDIT: I know it sounds forced, but I'm still searching for the specific site that mentioned Steve Hackett was in the audience, I know this is less than likely, but I always verify what I said, I may use a source that results to be inaccurate (That's a risk we all take) but never guess without a references
Still I believe you're more than probably right.
Cheers
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 02:10
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:23
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Ivan..
Great evidence provided on album sales, interesting to see that ' Second's Out' sells the most thru Amazon.com too. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 10:17
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Im glad the small amount of information I could contribute has clarified the situation of Steve Hackett playing at the Milton Keynes Bowl Show. I cannot, and would not try, to answer on behalf of what other people have written on other sites - but the fact is - the truth is the truth, whatever you have seen written to the contrary.Re: the Six of the Best Program - that was designed and printed in the week immediately prior to the show and at the time of going to press it was felt it was better not to include Steve as he had not been contacted by that time...
By the way - you guys are great! Your love of Prog is infectious and today has had me rooting through the dozens of mixing desk recordings I have of both Steve Hackett and Genesis... thank you for that.
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 11:36
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Ivan, as usual, you have gone to great lengths to prove your point and I respect that. I just think that when you see alot of dinosaurs coming out of the woodwork to tour and the sheep show up in droves, that the 3 piece version would be a bigger draw. You don't ever really hear Gabriel -era Genesis on classic rock radio like Led Zeppelin or the Rolling Stones but the sheep still know about the Collins stuff. And what I would really like an opinion on is would Gabriel sing latter day Genesis material or would it all have to be from the Lamb on back? ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: Maga
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 12:19
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aww..I got all excited....no hackett no gabriel= no prog... me likes prog end of story peace ------------- "be honest and unmerciful" |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 13:08
Fletch wrote:
That's our main reason to be here Fletch, we might disagree in some things and I'm usually on the side of Genesis because as you can see in my signature is what we we call my head band, but I can't resist the 3 men music era.
Most of this doubvious and contradictory information has to be blamed to Genesis official site that are the ones who should care to correct it despite, but it's clear they supported the 3 - men era more than the others and that's the reason why I stopped to be fraquent poster since two years ago despite being a Gensis fan.
I'm almost sure I read the Hackett in the audience thing in The Genesis Official Forum and it was not corrected but instead allowed to run freely by the Moderators who are better informed than us because in my case due to my country and age wasn't able to have the priviledge to be there despite as you can see I try to keep informed in everything related to Genesis, Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett, but we shouyld be allowed to trust supposedly official information.
That Forum is not working lately (Or maybe they banned me for total my dislike to Pop Genesis that never cared to hide) but eaqually is useless because they delete the threads after a certein period of time.
For me Genesis died the day Steve left, Gabriel era is my favorite but ATOTT and W&W are masterpieces also, so it's not a Collins problem, they were able to survive Gabriel because Steve was there but without him well, IMHO Genesis couldn't take that.
John Obvious wrote:
Not such an effort, I havethe advantageto have a very good memory, I bookmarked or copied every piece of information avillable of Hackett, Gabriel, Phillips and Genesis mainly but pages vanish, some sites clean their old stuff after a certain time RIAA changes their info and the links don't work or even sometimes I simply read something and didn't marked, plus finding it is not easy among loads of GB's.
When doing the Symphonic Team works, I save every single PM and article I find (A healthy decision you learn when you work as a lawyer because I like to have arguments to backup what I say), but the more info ouget, the harder it is to find it, takes some time but at last it's possible except when sites dissapear.
Now to the point. after a couple of years of Collins saying he didn't wanted to sing and swearing he wanted Peter to be the frontman, I honestly believed it could have Peter, sincerely I doubted more of Steve but had the illusion that if he didn't accepted Anthony could have been called or in the best scenario both of them.
Believe me, economically the Prog fans are the ones who are really going to support Genesis, POP is FASHION, Genesis (3, 4 opr 5 men eras) is not fashion anymore, you are not cool if going to their concerts.
We Progheads don't care, some as in my case would take a plane to listen them one night in USA from Perú (England or Europe would be too expensive for me) to see them with Peter and/or Steve because I love, live and breath Prog, so most people here, most POP fans won'tcross the state line to see them singing Illegal Alien and Who Dunitt? IMO.
You have seen the numbers of AMAZON that represents 1.25% of the total albums sells in the world, no POP Genesis album except maybe "Shapes" (A solitary one in N° 7 after every Prog album except SEBTP and W&W, even after Genesis Live if I'm not wrong), has a chance against the old material during Amazon lifetime, I believe it's almost a suicide making a 3 men reunion.
The mainstream audience of today is not the same one as in the 90's and less than in the 80's, Rap and Hip Hop have taken the market by assault and POP artists have to be young and look nice, the adult contemporary formula is somethiing of the past as POP Genesis.
John Obvious wrote:
That's another conflictive issue, I almost fell in depression when upgraded all my Genesis collection, knowing that there would be nothing new unless a miracle happened, seems Hit & Run music is not interested in publishing (Or simply lack of it) a DVD Gabriel & Hackett footage, so we have to live with the availlable material that is rare and poor in quality or in Peter and Steve DVD's.
But are they able to make the music or something remotely similar to what we loved?
In the early 70's there was a main writter (Banks) and lyricist (Gebriel) all contributed in different percentages but everybody knew what their role was.
Today the band could have 5 songwritters:
1.- Gabriel with his excellent World oriented artistic music.
2.- Steve with the Classic Prog and Classical guitar style
3.- Banks has a lot more than he does alone
4.- Pop fans will insist for some 3-men POP
5.- Mike also would like to write something
There are 5 different perspectives today, they haven't worked together for 3 decades, their paths are opposite, nobody knows if it would be a coherent work (Harder today) or an excellent collage of styles, it's a risk but with their combined talent they have still a couple of good albums under their arms, the million dollars question is: Would this be enough for people who has dreamed with this 3 decades?
I believe a farewell worldwide tour would be a good option with the classic lineup but would we be before another UNION?
A five men era tour would be my dream but very hard because Peter and Steve have obligations (Apparently to what I read somewhere until 2008) so to coordinate efforts is not easy, a four men era work would also be great but not easier because Hackett and Banks would have to work together and specially Steve has an own career to take care of but he is the only one really working with Genesis music lately.
I couldn't care less for another three era reunion, never did and never will, I believe it's not the best economic option neither artistic but seems that's what will happen.
Sometimes it's better to leave things to imagination, but I still dream in watching the 5 great together and even better if the big 6 combining Steve and Ant's guitar, something that would be incredible.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 14:49
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 15:30
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The Eagles Greatest Hits isn't all that bad... :) Anyway.. I agree with everyone else. No Gabriel or Hackett, not even Anthony Phillips..... I'm not interested. I'd rather see Phil Collins revive Brand X... now that I would go see! ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 17:36
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 19:01
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Even when insufficient because RIAA has no interest in proving the long term selling artists but mostly which album are sales record (Their ideal is an artist that sells a lot in a short term of time (Cheaper), disappear fast and leave the road ready for new disposable artists of bands. I will mark the albums I know in different colors: 1. Classic Rock or Serious bands. 2. Prog Rock 3. Serious Pop bands/Alternative 4. Cheesy POP 5. Rap/Hip Hop/ Others So we can see which public tends to be more loyal at least in the USA market which sadly is one of the less demanding, will omit Country/Folk because that’s almost exclusively USA material. Infandious wrote:
Lets see: 1. 42 Classic Rock/Serious Bands that can be considered Rock related 4 in the top 10 2. 25 Cheesy Pop, one in the top 10 3. 2 Prog, 1 in the top 10 4. 9 Serious POP, 2 in the top 10 5. 2 Country related in the top 10 6. Rap and Hip Hop are almost not represented It’s important to notice that most of the Serious POP, Rock and all Prog are 20 years or older, so they represent a stable line of sales. · So the tendency remains, cheesy POP artists or Rappers sell a lot in a short term. · The most repeated names are: o The Beatles 5 o Led Zeppelin 5 times o Eagles 3 times o Def Leppard 2 o Pink Floyd 2 o If I’m not wrong the only Cheesy POP artist repeated are Madonna, Britney, Whitney Houston and Celine, not even Michael Jackson has two albums. So it’s clear, even in a POP oriented market like USA Classic Rock and Serious bands fans tend to be much more faithful, I’m sure tat in England and all Europe the tendency would be bigger against POP fans because bands as QUEEN and THE WHO are absolutely ignored by RIAA, even though they are not as popular in USA, it’s possible there’s some manipulation here. The motto of RIAA is sell fast and vanish to leave the road clean.. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Gianthogweed
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 19:05
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I frequent the Genesis boards (before they crashed), and the news fo a tour is not official. This is what we know:
The five of them had a meeting late last year to discuss a possible reunion to play "The Lamb" show at a few venues with the intent of recording a DVD. This is why The Musical Box's license to play "The Lamb" was revoked, because the real band was planning to do it. They still have the rights to play the "Foxtrot" and "Selling England" shows though.
At the meeting, it was decided that they would not reunite in 2006, but possibly in 2007 or 2008 for a 40th Anniversary.
Just last week, the trio lineup got together to rehearse some material. There are rumors that this material is new material, but no one knows for sure. As of yet, there are still no plans for a tour.
Collins has stated that he does not want to tour, and only wants to play select cities in a limited tour, so the idea of a tour being official is unlikely.
Steve Hackett is interested in being involved in any reunion planned. As of yet, he has not been invited. This is unfortunate, but they may wind up inviting him in the end.
Peter Gabriel has said that he wishes to finish his own album I/O, so he will not be involved in a Genesis reunion any time soon, however, he also said that he hasn't ruled out joining them at a later date.
This is really all we know. There is no tour planned, nothing official has been announced. The trio lineup is rehearsing, but they still haven't decided if they're going to do anything yet. They are also considering reuniting not under the name Genesis, but as Collins, Ruther & Banks, or something to that effect.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 20 2006 at 19:41
Hey,if it is on the BBC its official enough as far as I am concerned...
Oh and a BIG thank you to "Fletch" for a myth-shattering anecdote from days of yore...
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 05:32
| I'm with Ivan here.3 of them = not interesting |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 06:35
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Posted By: AcostaFulano
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 09:26
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LoL if they were three and they came to my country, i would pay no more than 50 bucks, at least to see the musicians who once made such beatiful music, of course i would take my Ipod, turn foxtrot on and imagine they're playing it instead of WHO DUNNIT? XD btw, you probably already did, but have you guys checked out this genesis torrent webpage? I found some interesting stuff like the full 1982 reunion concert :O http://torrent.genesis-movement.org/ |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 09:49
I think it depends on whom they get to perform with them. If it's someone like Mike Keneally, then I would be interested very much. Come on guys (Genesis) ... if Guns 'n Roses can tour with Bumblefoot as their guitarist, then you can tour with Keneally! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to: 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 10:14
The problem I see is not only a musician thing, but the pieces of information that appear are anticlimatic:
At least in my case, not very insipring. Hope I'm wrong and the delay is because they are already coordinating with Steve and Peter and I'm able to watch the classic 5 or even better 6 with Anthony for the first time in my life, but honestly I see the trio plus Chester and Daryll playing in small venues.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 11:29
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How does this sound like to me?
/me starts saving money for a ticket to England Since it seems this'll be great, whenever they come, they surely won't come to Finland, And I so want to see them. Gabriel and Hackett are artists I would go see if they came here solo. Should they be together, or as 5, I so would go abroad. No question about it. Hm, as I have read all these posts here, I'm beginningto believe that at least Gabriel is in and Hackett keen on it. In fact, if I remember, it was him in the first place who had written the first speculations to the genesis website. I doubt there'll be any problems there if he is willing to join. |
Posted By: Prog-man
Date Posted: October 21 2006 at 21:08
 EAGLES IS NOT PROG, BUT IT' S REALLY A GREAT BAND!!!... ------------- Arriving somewhere but not here |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: October 22 2006 at 08:54
| and for this you really had to quote the whole post? Not trying to act as a moderator here, but it really makes reasing this thread frustrating when people do that:P |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 22 2006 at 12:24
It's that bit at the end..
Point taken though. Sometimes it is better to use this: ^ than quote the whole post. Back on topic....I wonder why they refuse to invite Hackett....? |
Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: October 22 2006 at 17:26
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another update from http://www.dprp.net/news/index.php - http://www.dprp.net/news/index.php GENESIS: AND THEN THERE WERE THREE! Again!
Speculation has been rife for years about a Reunion tour but at last
it's looking more solid. On November 7th Genesis will hold a
press-conference where all plans for a 2007 Turn It On Again tour will
be unveiled.
Not much information is provided on the http://www.genesis-music.com/newsgenesis.htm#November - Official Genesis website iteself: An official announcement about the band's plans
for 2007 will be made on Tuesday, 7th November. Full details will be
made available FIRST on this site at a time to be confirmed. But elsewhere news and rumours are buzzing like never before.
The BBC, the first to report about the reunion plans on Wednesday (read
article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6064022.stm - here )
were also the first to come with news from Peter Gabriel that he would
not take part of this reunion, without ruling out joining his former
bandmates at a later stage:
No further information will be supplied until that date and we respectfully ask that people desist from sending emails, letters and making phone calls for advance information - this will NOT be provided until the official date. Thank you for your patience until then.
"There were conversations and I decided not to be a part of it," Gabriel told BBC News.
The full story can be read http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6067646.stm - here .
His replacement, former drummer Phil Collins, has confirmed he will take part in the reunion tour, which was announced earlier this week. "I'm very happy for them," said Gabriel. "It's not that I've ruled it out, but I've got some new material that I'll be working on." Furthermore, Gabriel elaborated in a video message on his http://petergabriel.com/ - website : "I'm
not involved in this round, or this year, so (I) just wanted to make
that clear. I haven't ruled out the possibility of, of doing something
in the future, but right now I'm gonna focus on, on my own work."
Looking at above tour flyer it seems unlikely that Steve Hackett will be participating in the reunion tour either, although the http://www.genesis-fanclub.de/genesis/reunion/genesis_of_a_reunion_engl.htm - Genesis Reunion
website does claim the reunion tour will feature a fourth member,
either Gabriel or Hackett. However, there is no source or anything
quoted, so we feel it is more likely the fourth member will be Chester
Thompson or Daryl Stuermer. Whatever the outcome of the press conference on November 7, DPRP will be sure to give you a full run-down of the tour plans in the update of week 46. In the meantime keep an eye on our http://www.dprp.net/forum - forum , where such news is likely to pop up first.  JON ANDERSON: The following has been posted on the following http://www.jonandersonanimationcd.com/ - website :
After more than 20 years of anticipation from fans around the world, Jon Anderson's renowned album, Animation, is officially available on CD.
So at long last Jon Anderson fans can now add "Animation" to their CD
library. Best of all, act today and you can order an autographed copy
personally signed by Jon. Only 500 autographed copies are available, so
don't delay.
Originally released in mid-1983, Animation boasts some of Jon's most stunning and hauntingly beautiful solo works, including Olympia, Animation, Surrender, and All in a Matter of Time. In addition to the original nine Animation tracks, this re-issue contains two bonus tracks: Spider, which was the B-side of the original Surrender single; and the never-before-released track, The Spell, which was an outtake from the Animation recording sessions. All of Animation's music has been meticulously re-mastered and has never sounded more vibrant, full of energy, alive, or fresh. Also included as part of this very special re-issue are the complete lyrics to the nine original Animation tracks, as well as short stories and anecdotes from Jon Anderson himself, talking about Animation and most of its tracks. It's a rare glimpse into Jon's thinking at the time, as well as his thoughts on Animation, and what the album means to him. |
Posted By: orangefiltersky
Date Posted: October 31 2006 at 06:03
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Having read all these posts in this thread I really have to say that some people seem to be really sick in the brain. How can all those people spend so much time just to pour all their hate over members of a band they actually claim to love (in certain eras)? How can you call Collins, Banks, Rutherford old farts (etc.) and then return to, say, Selling England By The Pound. You`ve just insulted these people you listen to! These three musicians play the music you love, even if they made some music afterwards you don`t like. You don`t own these people. If Collins, Banks, Rutherford make a new album then you can like it or not, but it will happen nonetheless. Guys like you really make me throw up. Now a word about the reunion (which is not yet officially confirmed, which we should not forget): Although I also would have liked to see Steve Hackett being part of the reunion, I have to accept that this is not going to happen in the next time, for whatever reason. I also do not like of Collins solo work after 1992, but I still hope that Genesis could put something out like "A Trick Of The Tail" which to many Genesis fans is the best Genesis album ever. And you know who sang on this record. |
Posted By: njb0168
Date Posted: November 03 2006 at 11:27
Genesis have posted on their website the following
Genesis Press Conference to be webcast live3rd November 2006 The press conference due to held at 12 noon GMT on Tuesday, 7th November 2006 will be broadcast live via the web. The link to the server streaming the press conference will be posted here, the Official web site, shortly before the press conference is due to begin. For details of the webcast please visit the front page of this site shortly before the press conference starts on Tuesday 7th November. Other information will also be made available on this site at the same time. Link: http://www.genesis-music.com/ - http://www.genesis-music.com/
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Posted By: Gianthogweed
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:16
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Just saw the Press Conference. Looks like Steve's not involved, but that they'll be playing a more balanced setlist than their last few tours. They mentioned more instrumental sections, probably in the form of medleys. They'll play In the Cage, Los Endos, Turn it On Again, probably a selection of hits, something off of Selling England (I'm Guessing I Know What I Like). But no Supper's Ready :(.
I don't know if I want to see this concert. I may just wait for it to come out on DVD.
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 11:33
| well should it ever come to Finalnd I'm so there, but alas, no-one ever comes here, so the DVD it is for me too. |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 12:07
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^ Ehmm.... GENESIS 'TURN IT ON AGAIN' TOUR DATES Tickets will be on sale for UK dates on 24 November and for dates in Germany on 10 November. Other on-sale dates to be announced. The complete list of European concerts is: 11 June Helsinki, Finland Olympic Stadium 14 June Herning, Denmark Messecenter 15 June Hamburg, Germany AOL Arena 17 June Berne, Switzerland Stade de Suisse 18 June Linz, Austria Gugglestadium 20 June Budapest, Hungary Puskas Ferenc Stadium 21 June Katowice, Poland Slaski Stadium 23 June Hannover, Germany AWD Arena 26 June Dusseldorf, Germany LTU Arena 29 June Stuttgart, Germany Gottlieb-Daimler Stadium 30 June Paris, France Parc Des Prince 1 July Amsterdam, Holland Arena 3 July Berlin, Germany Olympiastadion 4 July Leipzig, Germany Zentralstadion 5 July Frankfurt, Germany Commerzbankarena 7 July London, UK Twickenham Stadium 8 July Manchester, UK Old Trafford 10 July Munich, Germany Olympiastadion 12 July Monaco Louis II Stadium 14 July Rome, Italy Telecomcerto at Colosseo ------------- 
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 17:31
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From The New York Times, 11/27:
"In other touring news, the rock band Genesis, reunited after 15 years, has been selling plenty of tickets for its Turn It On Again tour. The 100,000 tickets for performances in London and Manchester, England, sold out in 90 minutes on Friday, the BBC reported. Not to be outdone, German and Dutch fans purchased almost 400,000 tickets in just 40 minutes on Saturday."
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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 20:23
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it's good to see them back again.although no hacket and gabriel,worth seeing . ------------- www.last.fm/user/angelmk 
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