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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 20:50

Romance on a Yes album...??

Contained in everything I do
There's a love, I feel for you
Proclaimed in everything I write
You're the light
Burning, brightly

Onward through the night
Onward through the night
Onward through the night of my life

Displayed in all the things I see
There's a love you show to me
Portrayed in all the things you say
You're the day
Leading the way

Onward through the night
Onward through the night
Onward through the night of my life

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 18:10

Here's a couple more from two great prog bands;

"Don't misunderstand me, it's not always easy to say
The words in your head and your heart that you just can't explain".

(Lady Fantasy - Camel, in case you needed telling!)

"Understanding still not anything different:
Find another to lean on, start again for I should have long
gone, on reflection now it's just an experience.
Soon the pain will have ended, together never intended, as I
come and go I'll try to remember you".

(You can subtitle this "The other end of Romance", but it's another side of the same coin; Gentle Giant's "On Reflection").

...any excuse to post great lyrics



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 13:05

Thats cause Pete Sinfield when not a cynic, was quite the romantic...

"But of course you know I love you
Or what else am I here for
Only you not face to face
But side by side forever more
And I need to be here with you
For without you what am I
Just another fool out searching
For some heaven in the sky
Take me closer to believing
Take me forward, lead me on
Through collision and confusion
While there's life beneath the sun
You are the reason I continue
So near for so long
So close yet so far away. "

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 03:06

Welcome to the forum!

I think that romance has always had a place in prog, and that the focus was shifting more towards it around the late 1970s - 1980s. It's not necessarily a "pop" thing, IMO.

2 extremes of prog romanticism;

"Call her moonchild
Dancing in the shallows of a river
Lonely moonchild
Dreaming in the shadow
of the willow."

"On the rebound, fumbling all the lines
The light at the end of the bottle - alcoholic alphabet
Through the looking glass the proof in my own reflection
Five senses down and reeling on the Cinderella search
On the rebound, fumbling all the lines
Decay on the vertical hold with a horizontal aim
Conversation needs translation
Three dimensions down dissolving on the Cinderella search"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 00:52
I think the first two collins genesis albums were prog but when Steve Hackett left the prog faded fast.As soon as romance became the main subject as far as im concerned it became pop not prog
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 21:54

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:


I find people like for instance Threefates very amusing, cos she is fun and not at all straight-laced.


Yep, my laces are definitely bent, curved, twisted... you name it...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 06:27
Hey you can´t do that on Progarchives vol 6
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 05:29
 philippe go ahead and post your little heart out, about what interests you , but for Gods sake, get a sense of humor. This is a great place to be, what we don´t need is a non dynamic prog police who takes things too seriously.

The intent with the Carey thread was to point out that non creative garbage should not be allowed to make records, then it turned into a Kindergarten kind of a thingy...........so what ? 

I find people like for instance Threefates very amusing, cos she is fun and not at all straight-laced.

And by the way Dream Theater is PROG





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 03:45

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I don't get it, do you REALLY think that anyone meant it seriously about Mariah Carey ??? Isn't it obviousley that it is a huge joke?

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Maybe it's a huge joke...but why to speak about Mariah Carey on a prog site?...there are so many prog bands that we don't speak about and which deserve really more attention...I think that a topic on Mariah Carey might discredit the site

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2004 at 03:27

Thanks for the feedback everyone.  Sounds like we're all on pretty much the same page! Max, manni and the admin group seem to have a good handle on these issues...I trust their judgement fully, and will always support the majority.

Thanks again to all those behind the scenes who help make this site happen.

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Certif1ed Wrote:  "Erm, let's not get carried away! No-one on earth has an 8-octave range..."   

Sorry. I've edited my initial post to read 'many octaves', not 'eight octaves'. Someone once told me the word gullable wasn't in the dictionary....

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threefates wrote: "So this doesn't mean we have to stop the sexual innuendos does it??"

No way! The day that stops we might as well pack it in.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2004 at 12:32

So this doesn't mean we have to stop the sexual innuendos does it??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2004 at 01:57

All:

First, kudos to Arbiter for expressing so much so well.

For those who have visited the "language" thread in "Suggestions," you will know that I vigorously argued against deleting all non-english reviews- and, for the moment, Max has "put on hold" his plans to do so.

I did suggest that there be a limit to the number of languages - i.e., to those most frequently spoken, written and read: English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, perhaps one or two others.  Certainly it makes no sense to permit reviews in Serbo-Croatian, since only another Serbo-Croat could read it (yes, I know that Serbia and Croatia are no longer "together"...).  Hopefully, when the guidelines are updated, my suggestion will be included.

As for the "prog police," you will also remember that I argued against this notion in the civility thread, preferring as few guidelines as possible, but insisting that those few guidelines be followed.  Thus far (whether as a result of the civility thread or not), I have only had to delete one thread due to its inflammatory nature (and that one was created by a newbie who likely did not read the civility thread).  Again, whether or not a result of the civility thread, virtually all discussion and debate has remained civil - and sometimes (say it isn't so!) deferential!  And where I find (or am told about) potentially "dangerous" threads, I monitor them and, if need be, provide a post seeking to bring the discussion back to a dull roar (or even outright civility...).  And in all cases, people have been responsive and helpful in assisting me in this regard.

Finally, as for reviews (since that's what this thread is actually about), I believe that reviews should, if possible, give clear, informed reasons for how one rates an album, and why.  And for the most part, they do.  If a few non-informative reviews slip through, there is not much that can be done: we need to just read them and let them go.  (As an aside, bad grammar can be the result of a lack of solid English.  However, in some cases, the problem is in fact a bad translation program.  Let's keep this in mind when reading seemingly bizarre reviews.)

Thanks to all of you for your clear heads, reasoned comments, and positive approaches.  You do great credit to Progarchives - not to mention yourselves.

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 20:25

Out of the 'open' review sites I've seen, I've found that this one tends to have the highest percentage of useful and well-written contributions. That's a good indication that the majority of prog fans have an admirable level of intelligence, awareness, and consideration. I generally believe that the absence of rules and restrictions is the best possible situtation, and the general level of discourse on this site serves to reassure me that human beings can trade reasonable opinions with a minimum of unpleasantness.

Or, to say it more simply...don't change a thing! I can live with the foolish reviews- and even the borderline offensive ones- in order to enjoy the good thing we have here at Progarchives

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 17:55
i just skip-read the post LOL :-s
the 8 octave thing just made me RETCH! and anyhows, it was constructive criticism for Ms carey


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 17:50
Originally posted by NyghtOwl NyghtOwl wrote:

hmmm... i kinda get yer drift

lets deal with nthe Mariah carey thing.... cos that really fexxors me off LOL
aint no way on this earth or any other that carey has done anything other than PAP..errr...pop.
prog? awww c'mon whoever said dat!
ok...crit:
Her voice is really not good... it is over produced...often misses the mark... has all the emotion of...umm..something with no emotion.
EMOTION is NOT about pretending...or *shamming* some *love you..blah* lyric.
Take her *murder* of the great (non-prog (-.o)) Nilsens Cant live..
it was heinous... there was no emotion...just the normal pap that the average consumer expects (a la celine dion et al)
Can anyone think of a REAL prog outfit or outlay that has sung some other persons creation? well? noi...i mean sung it *well*? performed it *well*?
Don't get me wrong...I aint no music snob (-.o) oh no sireeeee!
My taste go from gregorian, through chamber music, through folk music, through prog, through hard rock in the style of Motorhead etc. through the likes of John lee hooker...through Lightning seeds, the Seeds, Julian Cope, Cyndi Lauper, West coast pop art experimental band, lollipoppe shoppe, roky erikson, Bjork,  U2 Blahdeee fekkerin blahdee.
Mariah C...proggy? in any way shape or form whatsoever.... me NOT TINK SO

IMHO....of course (-.o)

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I don't get it, do you REALLY think that anyone meant it seriously about Mariah Carey ??? Isn't it obviousley that it is a huge joke?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 17:44
oh yeah...one last point,.,, the 8 octave thing.
dude, I do not know what rags you been readin, but there is NO WAY on this earth that she has a stunning vocal capacity.
Sorry. It just aint so.
As for 8 octaves...weelll...lol...sorry...but it just aint hap'nin'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 17:43
hmmm... i kinda get yer drift

lets deal with nthe Mariah carey thing.... cos that really fexxors me off LOL
aint no way on this earth or any other that carey has done anything other than PAP..errr...pop.
prog? awww c'mon whoever said dat!
ok...crit:
Her voice is really not good... it is over produced...often misses the mark... has all the emotion of...umm..something with no emotion.
EMOTION is NOT about pretending...or *shamming* some *love you..blah* lyric.
Take her *murder* of the great (non-prog (-.o)) Nilsens Cant live..
it was heinous... there was no emotion...just the normal pap that the average consumer expects (a la celine dion et al)
Can anyone think of a REAL prog outfit or outlay that has sung some other persons creation? well? noi...i mean sung it *well*? performed it *well*?
Don't get me wrong...I aint no music snob (-.o) oh no sireeeee!
My taste go from gregorian, through chamber music, through folk music, through prog, through hard rock in the style of Motorhead etc. through the likes of John lee hooker...through Lightning seeds, the Seeds, Julian Cope, Cyndi Lauper, West coast pop art experimental band, lollipoppe shoppe, roky erikson, Bjork,  U2 Blahdeee fekkerin blahdee.
Mariah C...proggy? in any way shape or form whatsoever.... me NOT TINK SO

IMHO....of course (-.o)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 15:11
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

IMO no review should be deleted because the writter has an unpopular or even wrong opinion, that's freedom of speach.

But any offensive, racist, insulting  or even agressive review must be deleted for the health of the page.

If a review says for example: "Foxtrot is crap", well it's wrong (because I know it's a masterpiece ) but it's ok because it's an honest opinion.

If the same review says "Foxtrot is crap and anyone who likes that album is an idiot" (I saw similar phrases in some reviews), that review is offensive and must be deleted.

That's my opinion about the issue.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 14:58

 

I agree with my compatriot. There is a difference between writing "some reviewers overrate this album"/"some dismiss this album for no valid reason" and "some reviewers are stupid enough to overrate this album"/ "some idiots dismiss this album". In the first case, the reviewer expresses a straight, healthy disagreement with others; in the second one, the reviewer is simply insulting the others using a specific prog album as an excuse to do so.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 14:53

IMO no review should be deleted because the writter has an unpopular or even wrong opinion, that's freedom of speach.

But any offensive, racist, insulting  or even agressive review must be deleted for the health of the page.

If a review says for example: "Foxtrot is crap", well it's wrong (because I know it's a masterpiece ) but it's ok because it's an honest opinion.

If the same review says "Foxtrot is crap and anyone who likes that album is an idiot" (I saw similar phrases in some reviews), that review is offensive and must be deleted.

That's my opinion about the issue.

Iván

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