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Chris S
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 00:41 | ||
I for one am thrilled at the prospect of any new Genesis material down the road, whether just the three guys or 4 or 5. Most fans probably will be really excited by the news and to compare Genesis to The Musical Box makes no sense. They are a tribute band, nothing more.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 00:50 | ||
If they are 4 or 5 I will spend my few bucks in a plane and see them
If they are 3 men, I rather watch The Musical Box.
Iván
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martinprog77
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 03:49 | ||
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White Duck
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 248 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 04:23 | ||
No Hackett,no Gabriel...NO GENESIS!!!!!
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Bob Greece
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 04:31 | ||
I think it's a good thing. They're not 100% prog but they're still a very fine rock band when you compare them to a lot of the other rock bands that are around.
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Neil
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 04 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 04:43 | ||
Well said. It's very easy to get on the "Genesis are crap without Hackett & Gabriel" bandwagon.
I agree entirely that their pre Then There Were Three stuff was more progressive and can see why some people stop listening there but there is no getting away from the fact that they are still three fine musicians and with a good session lead guitarist and drummer can really kick ass.
Whilst I wouldn't travel miles or pay a fortune to see them I still remember the Mama and We Can't Dance tours and whilst they weren't the same as Seconds Out they were still damn good shows.
If they rehearse well and play some of the earlier stuff it should be well worth seeing.
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baldy flapstick
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 15 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 109 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 06:04 | ||
http://www.wiventertainment.de/ "For 15 years THE MUSICAL BOX has been re-enacting GENESIS performances as
originally presented between 1973 and 1975. In 2007 the band will tour in This is because their licence runs out soon after. Think mainly because
Genesis got jealous lol. Anyone who calls The Musical Box a tribute band is
crazy, a tribute band just covers another bands songs and maybe tries to look
like them a bit. The Musical Box do exact re-enactments of Genesis shows to
every minute detail. The only tiny failing they have is the bass player plays
left handed, beyond that it’s pretty much just like being at the original show,
which is unlike any tribute band I’ve seen. Re-Genesis are quite average, even
poor by comparison. |
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krusty
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 27 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1777 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 06:19 | ||
So true! Shame that Hackett & Gabriel are not involved |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 06:59 | ||
I have named The Musical Box a tribute band because a cover band just plays covers and a tribute band tries to pay tribute in more than a musical way and that's excactly what The Musical Box does, it's even the ultimate tribute band .. greetings from 'crazy Erik'
By the way, I have very mixed feelings about the Phil Collins Trio Reunion tour: on one hand I dislike most of their compositions from And Then There Were Three and later but on the other hand, if they play some 70-77 Genesis footage with Tony Banks on his ARP Pro Solist synthesizer, Hammond organ and decent Mellotron samples and an additional guitarist at the level of Daryl Stuermer .. Edited by erik neuteboom - October 19 2006 at 07:12 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 08:57 | ||
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salmacis
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 09:01 | ||
I'm happy myself. I'm not the hugest fan of their 80s period, but I honestly don't think that if they do record new material, they'd do as much AOR. There's less of a pressure on bands to go commercial than there obviously was in the 80s. They must know it's the prog material that inspires the most affection. And if nothing else, if they do record a new album it would at least ensure the dreadful 'Calling All Stations' wasn't their last.
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Wotgorilla
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:38 | ||
They are not likely to tour Australia, so the issue of the line up does not concern me personally, although a DVD will be a likely by-product. The problem with an 80's focused show is, where are all the pop fans who jumped on the bandwagon circa IT and WCD now? Those albums may have sold more copy, but a poll of the most listened to Genesis albums in the 21st century would surely list the Gabriel-Hackett era material (71-77) way out in front.
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Neil
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:44 | ||
So am I not entitled to my opinion?
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Neil
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:49 | ||
Quite possibly and while I would defend some of the post Gabriel/Hackett material I could not defend the post Gabriel, Hackett and Collins album. As you say that was truly dreadful.
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Dennis
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 09 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 241 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:52 | ||
This news is a huge disapointment to fans of the "real" Genesis. I will never forgive these guys for stabbing their old fans in the back after the departures of Gabriel and Hackett. My God, didn't they make enough money in the 80's and 90's? The buzz around the net is saying that Gabriel still may rejoin (probably Hackett then too) in a 2008 tour, but not for this planned 2007 tour. I'm guessing that albums sales have slacked in recent years, plus Phil just divorced his third wife. She must have made a killing! Let's call it "The We Can Still Dance To Make More Money Tour." Absolutely pathetic! They will not see a dime of my money! And once again I will say, No Gabriel, No Hackett, No Way!!
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Neil
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 10:59 | ||
In what way?
The band changed and evolved. If you didn't like the new stuff then that was your choice. Not sure how they stabbed their fans in the back.
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Dennis
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 11:18 | ||
IMHO the band went backwards and regressed from being a highly advanced and artistic musical and theatrical entity of the highest standards and quality to a simplistic "pop" orientated band, with a lowering of musical standards and lyric content. Anyone who is a serious progressive music lover knows that this is a fact, and cannot tolerate the band "turning" on us. And again as stated in previous posts I do know that many think that the "pop" music that the post Gabriel/Hackett band produced is a cut above most other "pop" music. But I'm not going to argue with anyone about that, nor reply furthur. My musical tastes demand more, not less of a progressive rock band that I love, sorry! And to me the post Gabriel/Hackett Genesis gave us so much less artistically and so much more financially to their pockets. Sure everyone wants to make money, but not at the sake of losing the artistic essence of a great musical entity. And the band were becoming huge anyway before Gabriel departed. They were so great that they could not have been denied.The move from prog to pop will always seem a cheap move to me. It's like Michaelangelo going from his oil paintings to writing with crayons. No one will ever convince me otherwise. Edited by Dennis - October 19 2006 at 11:27 |
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Neil
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 12:17 | ||
I don't disagree that they moved in a simpler more pop orientated direction but I don't for one minute think that they had a band meeting in which they specifically decided to sh*t on all their old fans. They are individual musicians free to pursue their own directions, we don't own them. We can choose to like or dislike their music but we shouldn't hold it personally against them. I also doubt whether they decided to go in their new direction purely for financial reasons; although their descision to tour again now may well be motivated by money. It's a big gamble 'though because the cost of staging a big tour now, with all the new H&S regulations and insurance required, can bankrupt a band if the audience doesn't show.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 12:34 | ||
Heavyfreight wrote:
No Heavyfreight, evolving works from simple to complex, not backwards, starting with The Silent Subn and Ending with Supper's Ready is evolving but starting with The Musical Box and ending with Illegal Alien is not evolution. Darwin described it perfectly.
And yes Collins stabbed the old fans not with the change but with his atitudes, two phrases are remembered:
1.- One fan shouted in an Illegal Alien tour: Watcher of the Slies!!! and Collins replied "We don't play that crap anymore.
2.- In the infaous ABACRAP tour Collins insulted the public repeatedly because they asked old stuff.
That's not the way to treat the fans who supported them when nobody liked them, he was happy with his new fabulous fan base and never cared again for the real 2 decades fans.
He can play whatever he wants and I can believe it's crap as I do, the option is a two way highway.
Yes they did, it's obvious, Collins started to hrow sh!t with electric fan to Prog, he thanked publicly (Genesis a History) Punk for destroying POP, he said that Yes bored him and that he never understood The Lamb, but now that the POP fans (Not very loyal) don't remember them he started to say that Yes was always his favorite band and that The Lamb was his favorite album ever.
Iván
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Dennis
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 13:15 | ||
Thank you Ivan for your support on this matter. You are as spot on as I was with my feelings. It's like the old song "Be True To Your School." Also be true to your band and the fans who supported you in the first place. It seems odd that Phil Collins played and sang so damned well in the Gabriel/Hackett era Genesis. I can't understand why he would poo-pooh the prog material?You know he really did like the prog stuff in his heart of hearts. I mean Brand X wasn't commercial by any means was it now? I guess he just thought he was being slick and cool to get more support from his new and much less educated musical audience. Collins should have renamed the band Devo! Edited by Dennis - October 19 2006 at 13:39 |
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