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Poll Question: Which do you prefer?
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Ilm was the only of NWOBHM that was remotedly progressive and that's about it for duiscussions on that generation.
 
Previous Priest, Rainbow and Sabbath have prog elements: Priest's Sad Wings and Raibow's Rising are easily as prog-related as IM's first two albums.
 
But by the time NWOBHM was happening neither Priest or Rainbow were remotedly prog anymore.
 
Bassist Harris is the prime progressive element in the band >> Strange World on the debut.
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^what about Diamond Head? Recently I bought their 1983 album "Canterbury" ... I found that it has pretty obvious prog influences.
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Absolutely, Killers !!! It's maybe one of the Best albums of N.W.O.B.H.M. LOLLOL
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Points: 20239 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2006 at 03:44
I went with the debut because the Killers album is a typical NWOBHM album with the typical over-production (as will have all of their future albums too). It does not that classic 70's that the first album has .
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^what about Diamond Head? Recently I bought their 1983 album "Canterbury" ... I found that it has pretty obvious prog influences.


I recall Diamondhead kinda biting the big one, but that was a long time ago. The next closest 80s metal band with progressive leanings was Kevin Heybourne's Angelwitch, an excellent band but just barely progressive. Raven were great to, but more early Thrash. No, it was Maiden that provided the blueprint for progmetal followed by Voivod.
    
    

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I have a fair proportion of 'Canterbury' on a 2 disc anthology of Diamond Head and played them when Certif1ed mentioned this album as being quite progressive. I really couldn't see it at all.
 
Angel Witch's debut I love- not really progressive but I love NWOBHM generally. Perhaps one song, on the 'Metal For Muthas' album, is progressive- 'Baphomet', which sounds like Rush circa 'Cygnus X1' as played by Black Sabbath. Great track.
There was another song on said album by Samson called 'Tomorrow Or Yesterday', which was like Manfred Mann's Earth Band and quite progressive. Again, it stands alone in their oeuvre as the rest of their work is (first flight) heavy/blues rock.
 
Steve Harris always said he was unhappy with the debut's production. I've never seen any problem with it, myself. In fact, both of these albums are equally superb- imo, they were an obvious cut above the other NWOBHM bands, as much as I like them. Only Saxon and, imo, Samson came close- Def Leppard's sound was far too glossy and commercial, Diamond Head were perhaps a bit too obtuse for mass appeal, Venom were a bit too aggressive for many, Tygers Of Pan Tang never really went above 2nd division. My favourite of the other NWOBHM bands is White Spirit and Witchfynde. White Spirit's eponymous album is another unsung classic- great keyboard work with lots of chunky, riff heavy pomp rock. They have a far more polished sound than almost every other NWOBHM band due to the keyboards, plus 'Fool For The Gods' is a stunningly elaborate epic. Witchfynde's debut 'Give 'Em Hell' sounds like every song was produced somewhere different, but some stunning songs, best of all the Rush esque 'Leavin' Nadir'.
I think if you looked hard enough you'd find prog elements in most NWOBHM bands, but not as many consistently as Iron Maiden did.


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I remember having that album "Metal for muthas"
Another band on there were Praying Mantis, who are still together from the last I heard.
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Thats the second time for today that I voted- and noticed thats itīs draw! (because of my voting)
 
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The first Maiden album is excellent but my vote goes to Killers. The first gig I ever went to was Maiden on their Killers tour (supported by Trust at the Odeon in Edinburgh in 1981) so I think that swayed my decision.
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Killers is my favorite Maiden album
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The album with Phantom of The Opera on it.Clap
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I agree, the first one was the best debut they released (umm, ;>?).
But seriously, despite Steve Harris being ambivalent about the production job on that first one (he was not happy with the producer's "contribution", please see their site), I still love the sound & the songs. I'm still spreading the gospel on the song "Transylvannia". If you break it down, it is mostly based on a celtic reel. Just imagiine yourself dancing to a celtic tune, then superimpose the song. Big%20smile No ., really.
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Points: 31318 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2007 at 22:10
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