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Spiderprog
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 104 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 15:38 | ||
I am the last one to object to making this site broader and
be flexible with Prog definitions but including Iron Maiden? There are just about a thousand more bands that will need to be included if Iron Maiden is Prog Related. The fact that they are more popular is no excuse to include them and exclude others. There are enough websites that deal with heavy metal bands, was adding Iron Maiden to this one a wise decision? To be consistent, the prog related section will have to include more bands than all the other categories combined!
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Philéas
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 15:58 | ||
I'm with Spiderprog.
See now why the Prog Related thing was a bad idea? Edited by Philéas - October 03 2006 at 15:59 |
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:00 | ||
Fred...that was the funniest thing I have ever read here!!!!!!!
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:03 | ||
Don't know enought about them.
Don't care.
Consider the Flaming Lips.
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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:05 | ||
2nd.
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:06 | ||
Yeah...my son likes them...he saw them playing on Cartoon Network.
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:07 | ||
! How did I miss that? |
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:13 | ||
I was talking about The Flaming Lips...not IM. Edited by TheProgtologist - October 03 2006 at 16:13 |
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:14 | ||
Yes, the Flaming Lips alright... |
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epifreak
Forum Groupie Joined: September 28 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 55 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:22 | ||
Hmm...I would have loved a "perhaps, only time may tell" option on the poll. I'm not really sure, but seeing as how I was leaning towards yes, I voted that way.
Ultimately, I go to the definition of prog-related, which seems to have eaten the term "art rock" here. I believe that because you could make a very compelling case for Maiden's inclusion, on the grounds of several prog-ish elements, they deserve a spot. On the other hand, the band rarely went too far beyond the NWOBHM sound (at least until the last couple of albums, which as I understand, are the source of most arguments in favor of addition). Ultimately, they were a metal band, who happened to show some prog elements, rather than a prog band who used metal as their medium. As such, the best Maiden could get was prog-related. Since on this vote, 6/10ths of me wanted to vote yes, and the other 4/10 wanted to abstain, I can understand either position. |
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moreitsythanyou
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:29 | ||
I only have Brave New World and although it is a good album, it's not prog related
All I can think about is how they are on and not more worthy bands like COHEED AND CAMBRIA !!! oh and the flaming lips
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Andrea Cortese
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:30 | ||
As I said in one of the many threads, I think IM stay well where they have been put. In prog related. I'm happy for the inclusion.
Edited by Andrea Cortese - October 03 2006 at 16:31 |
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akin
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 06 2004 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 976 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:37 | ||
The main problem in this case is not that Iron Maiden was added because of their (very scarce) prog elements.
The main problem is that there are dozens of bands (led zep, black sabbath, cream, bowie, etc.) that have more or less the same level of progressiveness (some with more progressive elements than Iron Maiden, some less, but all in almost the same level) and they were denied. So it seems that the bands under heavy discussion are added according to admins' personal tastes, not the relevance to progressive rock (or progressive music that is a term that do not add anything since it is used here only to include prog metal (prog techno, prog country are not considered)). For me no problems if IM was added, prog-related is a category to be inclusive, but I think admins should explain the users why IM was added and the other I mentioned not based on progressive elements in their music and relevance of their music in prog compared to the relevance of the other bands. |
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35847 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:51 | ||
I voted for "Don't care" but I was tempted to say YES!!! Now there's a Prog band.
I applaud the courage, and some might say audacity, of those who opted to place IM on the site (even under Prog_Related) as they must have full-well recognised how controversial it would be especially as they'd be setting a precedent (well, another brick in the wall of scorn). They weren't afraid to risk further alienating many members in the interests of progress. Whether they're sufficiently Prog-related or not is not important to me, what matters to me is that these PA guys (gods one might say) have a vision, and whether or not I agree with that vision, I totally respect that they're pursuing it and not letting ruffled feathers dissuade them, or (hopefully not) cause them to second-guess themselves. Furthermore, that it's controversial is a good thing. I like controversy as it leads to debate. Without the free exchange of ideas the experience of communication is greatly diminished. It's controversial, and so IM's inclusion has led to debate (interesting communication). WONDERFUL! Can never have enough. This is a progressive site, to be progressive one needs to push the boundaries despite what others think (that goes for all in their own way). And never let anyone discourage you, PA dudes. I know that in your hearts, at least, you knew this was the right thing to do, and that's good enough for me. BRAVO!!! Now please get Spinal Tap into the archives! |
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theBox
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 29 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 427 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:54 | ||
Where do I sign up for the Revolutionary Purist Front?????? |
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Melomaniac
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4088 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 17:32 | ||
Revolutionnary Purist Front = The N@zis of Prog
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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darkshade
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 18:43 | ||
if the prog-related section were removed, Phish and a couple of other bands would have to be put somewhere else, for their music is too prog to not at least be on this site..
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mrdfield
Forum Newbie Joined: May 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 18 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 20:14 | ||
I Know that I am new to this site but I am 43 yo and I have been listening to Maiden since 1980 with the release of thier first Album I do not claim to know a lot on the matters of what is and what is not prog But I have to say that Maiden have always put out very powerful and epic cds and thier lyrics to songs always have been of high calibur compared to other NWOBHM bands of the time They have been around since I belive 1975 and still are going strong I have been very intrested in seeing them added here as I belive they are more than just a NWOBHM band that has endured all these years I wonder sometimes that Should the prog metal catagory stand on its on, not under the umbrella of Prog Rock and have its on sub genres although It seems something like that may complicate the matter rather than fix it It just seems to me that Bands Like Maiden, Opeth ,Kamelot, Rhapsody of Fire, Queen, Deep Purple, and Rainbow etc probally should be in thier own catagory
Edited by mrdfield - October 03 2006 at 20:28 |
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Atkingani
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: October 03 2006 at 20:26 | ||
Just saw it now, Fred... it made my day, thanks!
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Bilek
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: October 04 2006 at 08:03 | ||
I'd second that!
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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