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Cristi 
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 Posted: October 03 2006 at 09:17 |
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Yes. Under the prog-related category, it's really no problem. They have always made good, cleverly made complex heavy metal, a lot of rhythm and tempo changes, great guitar solos, awesome bass work, good drumming; I agree that they definitely influenced the prog-metal scene. Anyway, it would be a mistake to consider them as prog-metal artists. Prog-related, yes.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 09:31 |
 salmacis wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
If Metallica also get added: yes. Otherwise: no.
I was initially against the addition of bands like Iron Maiden. Now that they're here it would be very inconsistent to not add bands like Metallica, who - among some blatantly non-prog albums - released some fine & innovative albums which are IMO much more prog related than anything Iron Maiden ever did.
But that's just my personal opinion.
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This is what I was worried about- the 'if band X are here band Y should be' kind of thing. IMO, both Maiden and Metallica had prog influences in their music but I wouldn't necessarily have expected to see either on a prog website. I'm not going to start a mutiny about it, and I've been able to see the prog in Maiden's output for years, but it has possibly opened the floodgates a bit TOO wide. Maiden aren't too shocking an addition (arguably Triumph, ELO and Fairport Convention are less valid inclusions) but I worry that now there'll be cries to get no end of other metal bands on the site... |
Thing is that Iron Maiden are here to stay ... it's a given.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 10:02 |
KeyserSoze wrote:
Ok, now we daily get 20 reviews of Iron Maiden albums. Who's next? U2 or Faith No More? They influenced many bands too... |
I'm curious. How many prog bands did U2 and Faith No More influence?
The hysteria is unwarranted. Every band gets evaluated on its own merits. Just because The Beatles are here, that doesn't mean we are now obligated to include bands like The Rolling Stones, and The Kinks.
I am not a big metal fan, but I was in favor of Iron Maiden's inclusion. I took the time to get several albums, and carefully evaluate the music. This is how it is done.
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Bilek
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 10:11 |
bhikkhu wrote:
KeyserSoze wrote:
Ok, now we daily get 20 reviews of Iron Maiden albums. Who's next? U2 or Faith No More? They influenced many bands too... |
I'm curious. How many prog bands did U2 and Faith No More influence?
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speaking of which, can anyone tell me what the heck U2's genre really is? I'm really curious about it (and please don't make the joke "curiosity killed the cat"!!!!  )
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 10:11 |
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^ U2 heavily influenced Dream Theater (Mike Portnoy is a huge fan), and Faith No More could be seen as related to prog because it was essentially Mike Patton's band.
Having said that, neither one should be called prog or prog related (except perhaps the last FNM album, which is kind of Avant-Garde/Experimental).
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bhikkhu
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 10:28 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ U2 heavily influenced Dream Theater (Mike Portnoy is a huge fan), and Faith No More could be seen as related to prog because it was essentially Mike Patton's band.Having said that, neither one should be called prog or prog related (except perhaps the last FNM album, which is kind of Avant-Garde/Experimental).
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That is interesting Mike. However, I don't think it was the prog elements of these bands that were inspirational.
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Philéas
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 11:31 |
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Yes, but only because we have the Prog Related category (I actually
want it removed). They have many Proggish moments in much of their
music, Prog Related is a good place for them to be.
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Melomaniac
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 11:44 |
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A BIG definitive yes. They dabbled with prog ever since their first album, with tracks like 'The Phantom of the Opera' and 'Remember Tomorrow' and have hade prog tracks on each album ever since, which I cannot say about Metallica. They influenced countless pure prog-metal bands. Prog related was a good choice, though 'proto prog-metal' would have been more accurate.
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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Rocktopus
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 11:45 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Please remember that they have been added to the prog related section, which means they are not classified as prog. |
You must have noticed by now that it doesn't really matter if they are only classified as related. You've seen these kinds of reactions before. They're here. Their albums are all over the front page. Its wrong.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 11:56 |
I must say I still haven't seen any healthy logic in favour of Iron Maiden having no place on the site, and since, as a member of the PMT, I endorse the decision of both the admin and my respective teams of including the band into Prog-Related, out of all categories...
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WaywardSon
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 12:00 |
Melomaniac wrote:
A BIG definitive yes. They dabbled with prog ever since their first album, with tracks like 'The Phantom of the Opera' and 'Remember Tomorrow' and have hade prog tracks on each album ever since, which I cannot say about Metallica. They influenced countless pure prog-metal bands. Prog related was a good choice, though 'proto prog-metal' would have been more accurate. |
I agree completely, Proto Prog Metal (if this genre existed) would have been perfect, but Prog Related is a good decision.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 12:03 |
Melomaniac wrote:
A BIG definitive yes. They dabbled with prog ever since their first album, with tracks like 'The Phantom of the Opera' and 'Remember Tomorrow' and have hade prog tracks on each album ever since, which I cannot say about Metallica. They influenced countless pure prog-metal bands. Prog related was a good choice, though 'proto prog-metal' would have been more accurate. |
Then I recommend you listen to Master of Puppets, which contains many progressive songs.
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Seyo
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 12:14 |
It was already voted NO, but whoever....
Now it appeared added to PA without a strong reason, at least to my opinion. If they are prog-related, then everyone else is too...  |
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richardh
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 12:38 |
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Melomaniac
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 12:43 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Melomaniac wrote:
A BIG definitive yes. They dabbled with prog ever since their first album, with tracks like 'The Phantom of the Opera' and 'Remember Tomorrow' and have hade prog tracks on each album ever since, which I cannot say about Metallica. They influenced countless pure prog-metal bands. Prog related was a good choice, though 'proto prog-metal' would have been more accurate. |
Then I recommend you listen to Master of Puppets, which contains many progressive songs.
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I own MoP ever since it's release, and yes there are prog moments. Can you say the same about the Black album, Load, Reload and St-Anger ? No. Crappy albums by once a great band
Maiden have gotten more and more prog. For proof, listen to the last three, Brave New World, Dance of Death and A Matter of Life and Death. You'll find that the prog argument is strong, whereas Metallica have nothing to stand for...
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 13:09 |
Melomaniac wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Melomaniac wrote:
A BIG definitive yes. They dabbled with prog ever since their first album, with tracks like 'The Phantom of the Opera' and 'Remember Tomorrow' and have hade prog tracks on each album ever since, which I cannot say about Metallica. They influenced countless pure prog-metal bands. Prog related was a good choice, though 'proto prog-metal' would have been more accurate. |
Then I recommend you listen to Master of Puppets, which contains many progressive songs.
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I own MoP ever since it's release, and yes there are prog moments. Can you say the same about the Black album, Load, Reload and St-Anger ? No. Crappy albums by once a great band
Maiden have gotten more and more prog. For proof, listen to the last three, Brave New World, Dance of Death and A Matter of Life and Death. You'll find that the prog argument is strong, whereas Metallica have nothing to stand for... |
I don't agree. First of all it doesn't matter whether a band has a progressive phase and then became totally mainstream, or if they kept releasing prog albums (example: Yes, Genesis ...). And secondly I can't say that I find the later Iron Maiden albums much more progressive than Seventh Son. Maybe Brave New World, but only barely.
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Selkie
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 14:40 |
Seyo wrote:
It was already voted NO, but whoever....
Now it appeared added to PA without a strong reason, at least to my opinion. If they are prog-related, then everyone else is too...[IMG]height=17 alt=Confused src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
Yeah, many metal bands have very technical instrumentation, write longer songs, deviate from standard verse/chorus song structures, and write concept albums. If you follow the reasoning that Maiden is prog, then you'd have to include a bunch of other metal bands, ex: Metallica.
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mystic fred
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 14:40 |
RIOTS IN WORLD CAPITAL CITIES AS PROG ARCHIVE ANNOUNCE NEW LISTING
Rafters News Agency 3rd October 2006
Public unrest around the world deepened last night as riots were reported in the world's major capital cities.
In London, Berlin, Sydney, Paris, Rome, New York, Rio de Janiero, Swindon and Bolton, disgruntled Prog Archive fans assembled to protest about the inclusion of IRON MAIDEN into the database - many burned effigies of Prog Archive Admin members and chanted "They are not Prog" it is reported.
Iron Maiden records and CD's were burned in huge bonfires in each city. Police think the protests were co-ordinated by The Revolutionary Purist Front, an organisation opposed to any new additions on the site.
An Admin spokesman said "we never had this much trouble when Deep Purple or The Beatles were included, Maiden are only included in Prog-related - it'll all die down in a few weeks. God knows what will happen when Metallica are included..."
The Army and National Guard remain on standby during these troubled times.
Edited by mystic fred - October 03 2006 at 15:12
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WaywardSon
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 14:46 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 15:02 |
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