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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:21 |
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^ so how much would the lowest "acceptable" turntable cost in your opinion?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:22 |
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600/700€ new, Rega planar 3, including RB300 excellent arm and super Elyss nice cartridge!
300€ on second hand
Edited by oliverstoned - September 22 2006 at 10:23
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:23 |
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^ that's complete with stylus/cartridge?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:26 |
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Yes, including RB300 excellent arm and super Elyss nice cartridge. Not only a budget turntable, but an excellent one, and a great source in the absolute!
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:29 |
...all technical details on Rega webiste:
http://www.rega.co.uk/index2.htm
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 11:02 |
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i had a Dual CD506 in 1981, it was an excellent budget turntable, though an upgrade to a Rega Planar 3 would be a big improvement - like Oliver said!!
Edited by mystic fred - September 22 2006 at 11:03
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 11:07 |
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You own a Planar 3 yourself, that's it?
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mystic fred
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 12:04 |
 oliverstoned wrote:
You own a Planar 3 yourself, that's it? |
yes, and a Linn Sondek - even better! 
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 16:49 |
I confirm 
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Philéas
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 12:01 |
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Hey Oliver, I have an old turntable at home, and it could be
interesting to know if it's worth keeping, or if I should get a new
one. It's a Technics SL-150MK2, with an SME Series III arm. The cartridge
is an old AKG P8ES, which I will replace soon because it needs a new
stylus, and those are not in production anymore.
Edited by Philéas - October 02 2006 at 12:02
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 04 2006 at 06:11 |
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...only the arm is worth keeping.
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Australian
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Posted: October 04 2006 at 06:22 |
We have two record players, both with no stylus. The latest record player my Mum bought did not come with a needle on the stylus, talk about cheap...
So there are 300 + records sitting in a cupboard. Still looking of a stylus though...
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Philéas
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Posted: October 04 2006 at 10:57 |
oliverstoned wrote:
...only the arm is worth keeping. |
I was expecting something like that. 
I'll look for places to buy the Rega turntable you recommended.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 05:11 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ so how much would the lowest "acceptable" turntable cost in your opinion? |
I got my used Technics turntable for ca. 120€ about eight years ago. Has served well, but I can't verify any Hi-fi qualities of it due to my poor hearing.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 05 2006 at 05:12 |
Australian wrote:
So there are 300 + records sitting in a cupboard. Still looking of a stylus though... |
Try Ebay or some else online buy/sell service!
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 08:24 |
Oh dear. I expect that the purists will have a go at me for this but I say don't waste your money on expensive turntables. Obviously cheap ones will sound noticably worse but the Dual model initially mentioned will do the job.
Vinyl is, as a media, inherantly flawed anyway. Anything that relies on contact between a stylus and a groove will sound subtly different each time you play it as the last time will have knocked bits off the grooves. That's why the hf goes first, because the undulations in the groove are much smaller and more delicate. The "warm" sound of vinyl is mostly the lack of clear hf. Add to that the fact that you need to boost the lf because the grooves aren't physically big enough to allow the undulations, boost the hf because of induction losses in the pickup coils and amplify a tiny electrical signal thus picking up amplifier noise and you soon get a sound that is far removed from the original. The fact that the system is analogue means that vibrations and motor noise are easily picked up (rumble) and that any damage to the grooves will be picked up as audio (the pops, clicks and scratches that you hear).
I know that a lot of people still prefer vinyl and the "warm" sound that it gives (that warmth is distortion as mentioned earlier) but a decent digital system is a far more faithful reproduction.
The reason that CDs will continue into the future alongside MP3 and other compressed formats is that a well produced and clean CD is about as good as you need to get. You can have more and bigger digital samples (as used in recording studios) but I defy most people to hear the difference.
Vinyl may be fun and definitely holds some good memories for me but I would always prefer a good CD player (there are bad ones).
As a qualified BBC radio audio engineer I feel that I am qualified to hold this view; but at the end of the day we like what we like and if you prefer vinyl then that's great too.
Neil.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:06 |
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Even a worn (good) vynil works better than a CD.
Like a worn tube sound better than any solid state (in the highs at least) cause it's far superior.
Analog is much more transparent (among other) than any numeric format will ever be.
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:13 |
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Not only Cd is very limited itself, but most (rock/progrock) Cds are so badly trafficked today with over compressed dynamic and overbumped low, that you’re forced to go back to the vynil to have a equilibrate/natural sound. Even good labels such as ECM have half of their CDs sounding bumped and trafficked...
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:40 |
I understand why some prefer CD over vinyl, but for me the vinyl is most dearest media in music, especially in rock music.
It's probably true that with CD or DVD one can get more cleaner sound, only ofcourse in case that the disc is without scratches. In my opinion it's much more easier to destroy a digital disc than vinyl recording. But I have some jazz and classical as modern digital recordings, and as I listen them with high volume, the overall sound is "cleaner" as there's no dust on the disc and with multiple loudspeaker one can create very strong senses of space and depth. Still, when I listen vintage music, the raw audio mechanisms boost the sound to the right direction, and f.e.x some 60's recordings sound very cool when I attach my Fender Bassman 10 amplifier as a bonus loudspeaker, and torture the neighbors with CREAM's BBC sessions! 
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