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Dan Bobrowski 
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 20:56 |
An offshoot from the Van Halen thread.
What non-progger do you think could have made a great prog artist?
Really a hard one if you put some brain power into an artists potential. Could Mariah Carey have been the next Annie Haslam? Nah, just kidding.
I would have liked to hear Hednrix write a concept album with a lot of acoustic parts and a few guest vocalists and expound on some of his stoned out LSD lyrics. Less blues, maybe Wakeman or Watkins on keys.
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 20:59 |
 danbo wrote:
An offshoot from the Van Halen thread.
I would have liked to hear Hednrix write a concept album with a lot of acoustic parts and a few guest vocalists and expound on some of his stoned out LSD lyrics. Less blues, maybe Wakeman or Watkins on keys.
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There were (to the best of my knowledge) negotiations between ELP and Jimmy about collaboration--didn't happen.
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:00 |
No... ELP have said that they considered it, but Jimmy died before they had a chance to ask him. I doubt they would of tho... Keith had enough problems sharing the spotlight with Greg... he sure wouldn't give up that much to a guitarist... Heck, he shoved Davy O'List out of the Nice...
My vote for non-prog artist who could have been.....
Ozzy
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:04 |
Keyboardist/violinist for Ultravox - BILLY CURRIE
Bassist/keyboardist/otherstuffist - JOHN PAUL JONES
Keyboardist/guitarist - KEN HENSLEY (he should have gone proggier for much longer)
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:19 |
threefates wrote:
No... ELP have said that they considered it, but Jimmy died before they had a chance to ask him. I doubt they would of tho... Keith had enough problems sharing the spotlight with Greg... he sure wouldn't give up that much to a guitarist... Heck, he shoved Davy O'List out of the Nice...
My vote for non-prog artist who could have been.....
Ozzy
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Agree!!! As for Greg, oh man!!! One of the most beautiful voices and melodists EVER: ManeUvers (damnit ) is my favorite alltime especially Famous Last Words and Parallyzed--what an artist!!! I'm not even talking about his ballads...
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:26 |
Temptingly, Sting. I just happen to think he's got the "inner progger" hidden somewhere...  of course, I'm talking 'bout his early years and some of the stuff he did with "The Police". His solo years are quite intermittent, but yet convincing to me so far!  (ok, ok "Sacred Love" sucked big time...  )
Another examples would be guitar players Mark Knopfler and Dominic Miller....
Oh yes! and Mel Collins, a non-progger that could've succeded as one too
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:33 |
landberkdoten wrote:
Temptingly, Sting. I just happen to think he's got the "inner progger" hidden somewhere... of course, I'm talking 'bout his early years and some of the stuff he did with "The Police". His solo years are quite intermittent, but yet convincing to me so far! (ok, ok "Sacred Love" sucked big time... )
Another examples would be guitar players Mark Knopfler and Dominic Miller....
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Sting is a Progger by virtue of genealogy through Andy Sommers (Softies) and Stewart Copeland, who is certainly one of the great....jazz drummers. As for Mark Knopfler--Planet New Orleans is above any classifications, just masterpiece all the way!!! Although, IMHO--Mark was always on a bluez side and left an unmistakeable and recognizable Mark there.
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:41 |
landberkdoten wrote:
Oh yes! and Mel Collins, a non-progger that could've succeded as one too
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Mel Collins has played with King Crimson and Pink Floyd, and for the last year playing with 21st Century Schizoid Band... can't get much more prog than that..
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:42 |
Russiandude wrote:
Agree!!! As for Greg, oh man!!! One of the most beautiful voices and melodists EVER: ManeUvers (damnit ) is my favorite alltime especially Famous Last Words and Parallyzed--what an artist!!! I'm not even talking about his ballads...
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Thats unbelieveable...I think I love you, Russian....
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:46 |
Russiandude wrote:
Sting is a Progger by virtue of genealogy through Andy Sommers (Softies) and Stewart Copeland, who is certainly one of the great....jazz drummers. As for Mark Knopfler--Planet New Orleans is above any classifications, just masterpiece all the way!!! Although, IMHO--Mark was always on a bluez side and left an unmistakeable and recognizable Mark there.
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Not that you mention it, maybe you're right about Mark... but what's unmistakeable, is that plenty non-prog musicians were the inspirational source for most actual prog musicians. (e.g. Miles Davis. He certainly had a big effect on what Rick Wright did along his Floydian career, and specially, what he accomplished in "The Dark Side of the Moon". You just can perceive the jazzy touch in pieces like "The Great Gig in the Sky" and "Us and Them").
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:47 |
Thats unbelieveable...I think I love you, Russian....
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Man Greg is a bond!!! And his work with Gary Moore--shivers!!! Parisienne Walkways and It Hurts--I am shivering just writing about this ballad!!! I Luv U brother
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:52 |
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Not that you mention it, maybe you're right about Mark... but what's unmistakeable, is that plenty non-prog musicians were the inspirational source for most actual prog musicians. (e.g. Miles Davis. He certainly had a big effect on what Rick Wright did along his Floydian career, and specially, what he accomplished in "The Dark Side of the Moon". You just can perceive the jazzy touch in pieces like "The Great Gig in the Sky" and "Us and Them").
Peace!
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Agree 100%--U don't have to convince a fan of Miles (especially his work with Coltraine and immortal Bitches Brew--well Mr. McLaughlin pops up immediately) that what makes prog so beautiful--NO LIMITS--just awesome music, which absorbs 360 degrees of our sonic world!!!
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:56 |
threefates wrote:
landberkdoten wrote:
Oh yes! and Mel Collins, a non-progger that could've succeded as one too
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Mel Collins has played with King Crimson and Pink Floyd, and for the last year playing with 21st Century Schizoid Band... can't get much more prog than that..
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I hear you three. In my opinion, he's not that much of a devoted progger he's got the spirit and what it takes to do so, but that's it. Same thing with Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton, both have played with Roger Waters, but they're not prog rockers necessarily. And like those, many others have done the same with PF or with some other bands: Dominic Miller, Tim Renwick, Michael Kamen (excellent, outstanding musicians, not prog as concept, but versatile), Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Manu Katché (played with Camel, but not prog... he also plyed with Sting and Rick Wright)... what I'm trying to say, no matter if they belong to the same vein, these guys can play anything! so, I won't categorize them under the terms of "entirely proggers"
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:59 |
Russiandude wrote:
Man Greg is a bond!!! And his work with Gary Moore--shivers!!! Parisienne Walkways and It Hurts--I am shivering just writing about this ballad!!! I Luv U brother
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ohhh.... better make that sister !!
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:00 |
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Not that you mention it, maybe you're right about Mark... but what's unmistakeable, is that plenty non-prog musicians were the inspirational source for most actual prog musicians. (e.g. Miles Davis. He certainly had a big effect on what Rick Wright did along his Floydian career, and specially, what he accomplished in "The Dark Side of the Moon". You just can perceive the jazzy touch in pieces like "The Great Gig in the Sky" and "Us and Them").
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Agree 100%--U don't have to convince a fan of Miles (especially his work with Coltraine and immortal Bitches Brew--well Mr. McLaughlin pops up immediately) that what makes prog so beautiful--NO LIMITS--just awesome music, which absorbs 360 degrees of our sonic world!!!
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Couldn't have put it in better words!  Good to have Miles fans around man!
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:02 |
ohhh.... better make that sister !!
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Doesn't matter--I proposed to my wife (of 21 years and two children) under Famous Last Words!!!
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:06 |
So you also a Supertramp fan??? or you were talking 'bout some other Famous Last Words? 
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:09 |
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So you also a Supertramp fan??? or you were talking 'bout some other Famous Last Words?
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As a matter of fact--I am a humongous Supertramp fan!!! But proposal was made under Greg Lake's song, which by no means diminishes my love for Supertramp, whose Best I, of course, have on a CD and bunch on vynil.
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:16 |
Sort of matters to me...hehehe
My favorite is "Its You, You Gotta Believe" but my cat, Sinatra... (seen below) loves "Famous Last Words"... whenever we play it... he sings along...
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:27 |
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huh!!! Nice cat!!! So, it is possible to post photos here?
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