Non Progger who should have tried
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Topic: Non Progger who should have tried
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Subject: Non Progger who should have tried
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 20:56
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An offshoot from the Van Halen thread. What non-progger do you think could have made a great prog artist? Really a hard one if you put some brain power into an artists potential. Could Mariah Carey have been the next Annie Haslam? Nah, just kidding. I would have liked to hear Hednrix write a concept album with a lot of acoustic parts and a few guest vocalists and expound on some of his stoned out LSD lyrics. Less blues, maybe Wakeman or Watkins on keys.
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Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 20:59
There were (to the best of my knowledge) negotiations between ELP and Jimmy about collaboration--didn't happen. ------------- Respect |
danbo wrote:Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:00
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No... ELP have said that they considered it, but Jimmy died before they had a chance to ask him. I doubt they would of tho... Keith had enough problems sharing the spotlight with Greg... he sure wouldn't give up that much to a guitarist... Heck, he shoved Davy O'List out of the Nice... My vote for non-prog artist who could have been..... Ozzy ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:04
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Keyboardist/violinist for Ultravox - BILLY CURRIE Bassist/keyboardist/otherstuffist - JOHN PAUL JONES Keyboardist/guitarist - KEN HENSLEY (he should have gone proggier for much longer) |
Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:19
Agree!!! As for Greg, oh man!!! One of the most beautiful voices and melodists EVER: ManeUvers (damnit ------------- Respect |
) is my favorite alltime especially Famous Last Words and Parallyzed--what an artist!!! I'm not even talking about his ballads...Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:26
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Temptingly, Sting. I just happen to think he's got the "inner progger" hidden somewhere... Another examples would be guitar players Mark Knopfler and Dominic Miller.... Oh yes! and Mel Collins, a non-progger that could've succeded as one too
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of course, I'm talking 'bout his early years and some of the stuff he did with "The Police". His solo years are quite intermittent, but yet convincing to me so far! 
(ok, ok "Sacred Love" sucked big time... 
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Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:33
Sting is a Progger ------------- Respect |
there.Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:41
Mel Collins has played with King Crimson and Pink Floyd, and for the last year playing with 21st Century Schizoid Band... can't get much more prog than that.. ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:42
Thats unbelieveable...I think I love you, Russian.... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:46
Not that you mention it, maybe you're right about Mark... but what's unmistakeable, is that plenty non-prog musicians were the inspirational source for most actual prog musicians. (e.g. Miles Davis. He certainly had a big effect on what Rick Wright did along his Floydian career, and specially, what he accomplished in "The Dark Side of the Moon". You just can perceive the jazzy touch in pieces like "The Great Gig in the Sky" and "Us and Them"). Peace! Land
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Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:47
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Thats unbelieveable...I think I love you, Russian.... [/QUOTE]
Man ------------- Respect |
Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:52
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[/QUOTE] Not that you mention it, maybe you're right about Mark... but what's unmistakeable, is that plenty non-prog musicians were the inspirational source for most actual prog musicians. (e.g. Miles Davis. He certainly had a big effect on what Rick Wright did along his Floydian career, and specially, what he accomplished in "The Dark Side of the Moon". You just can perceive the jazzy touch in pieces like "The Great Gig in the Sky" and "Us and Them"). Peace! Land
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Agree 100%--U don't have to convince a fan of Miles (especially his work with Coltraine and immortal Bitches Brew--well Mr. McLaughlin pops up immediately) that what makes prog so beautiful--NO LIMITS--just awesome music, which absorbs 360 degrees of our sonic world!!! ------------- Respect |
Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:56
I hear you three. In my opinion, he's not that much of a devoted progger Peace, Land
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:59
ohhh.... better make that sister !! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:00
Not that you mention it, maybe you're right about Mark... but what's unmistakeable, is that plenty non-prog musicians were the inspirational source for most actual prog musicians. (e.g. Miles Davis. He certainly had a big effect on what Rick Wright did along his Floydian career, and specially, what he accomplished in "The Dark Side of the Moon". You just can perceive the jazzy touch in pieces like "The Great Gig in the Sky" and "Us and Them"). Peace! Land
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Agree 100%--U don't have to convince a fan of Miles (especially his work with Coltraine and immortal Bitches Brew--well Mr. McLaughlin pops up immediately) that what makes prog so beautiful--NO LIMITS--just awesome music, which absorbs 360 degrees of our sonic world!!! [/QUOTE] Couldn't have put it in better words!
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Good to have Miles fans around man! Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:02
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ohhh.... better make that sister !! [/QUOTE]
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:06
So you also a Supertramp fan???
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Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:09
As a matter of fact--I am a humongous Supertramp fan!!! But proposal was made under Greg Lake's song, which by no means diminishes my love for Supertramp, whose Best I, of course, have on a CD and bunch on vynil. ------------- Respect |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:16
Sort of matters to me...hehehe My favorite is "Its You, You Gotta Believe" but my cat, Sinatra... (seen below) loves "Famous Last Words"... whenever we play it... he sings along...
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Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:27
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huh!!! Nice cat!!! So, it is possible to post photos here? ------------- Respect |
Posted By: Marcelo
Date Posted: August 03 2004 at 23:53
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huh!!! Nice cat!!! So, it is possible to post photos here? [/QUOTE] It's possible only for Threefates
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 00:14
Yep, I would've love to see and listen to Mark in a prog band! Early this month, I was talking 'bout how I considered "Alchemy" a very proggy production (despite it is a live album)... but, only, only in a band 'cus his solo career pretty much sux to me Si, me hubiera encantado ver y escuchar a Mark en una banda de prog! Recientemente este mes, estaba hablando de como consideraba a "Alchemy" una producción bastante progresiva (pese a que es un album en vivo)... pero, tan solo, únicamente en una banda porque a mi parecer su carrera de solista apesta
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 00:15
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I believe Bob Geldof would have done a hell of a prog vocalist, he did a great job in The Wall and his best song "I Don't Like Mondays" is almost prog. Iván |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 00:29
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I think Prince.. (or is he still known by the symbol) could of been a prog rocker. Besides his "Purple Rain"... his song "Seven" is weird and I really like it. Its got some heavy religious connotations in it. ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 00:35
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Wow, I've always kept my Prince ideations secret. The man's a freak and a genius. Purple Rain was transendent. With the proper molding, he coulda been a progger. I must say, I'm happy this thread is a hit! Keep 'em coming.... John Lennon could have authored one hell of a prog classic. He is the genius' genius. |
Posted By: Marcelo
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 00:57
Es verdad (y, en realidad, muchos temas de Dire Straits también).
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 01:47
Yes, indeed. He would've come up with something huge. Like the ultimate prog rock opera for instance...
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 02:20
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XTC Their music is a sort of thinking mans pop. ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 02:30
| Talking of new wave bands XTC is a good shout along with The Stranglers and Sioxsie and the Banshees.These bands could have been the next wave of prog bands if they hadn't jumped on the punk bandwagon.I would also name Gary Numan,Simple Minds and OMD as artists who had more ability than their records may have suggested. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 03:11
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Very true Richardh, but XTC changed their music alot after they quit touring and they became a little more complicated musically.Had not Andy Partridge got stagefright, he would have been a great frontman in a progband, with his wit and sense of drama. ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 03:12
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Japan & Tears for Fears had prog potential, I think As did the Cure at times. There are moments on their 'Kiss me Kiss me Kiss me' album that are very prog; wierdness mixed with all manner of ambient soundscapes (man!) Someone mentioned Siouxsie & the banshees - another fine band. There are tracks on their Hyeana album, with a a very proggy feel, notably 'Swimming horses', 'Take me back' and 'Running town' Lets not forget Killing Joke. Their album 'Brighter than a thousand suns' is a masterpiece, with very prog leanings. Some tracks are very conceptual, and although the Killing Joke agression is still evident, the production and overall sound is proggy. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 03:16
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My vote goes to the French composer Didier Squiban - who is also a phenomenal pianist. His album "Molenes" just blew me away the first time I heard it; The music is a kind of Mediaeval Celtic style blended with Debussy and Jazz. I even heard a little Tony Banks in there - one of the movements of the second suite seems to draw from "Firth of Fifth" with beautiful arced melodies in the right hand and complex off-beat rhythms in the left. |
Posted By: zappa123
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 08:46
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Maybe Uriah heep.I think they had a lot of potential for good prog rock.
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 09:24
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I think Depeche Mode or Ultravox... maybe even FLock of Seagulls...once the hair thing calmed down. ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: dude
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 09:53
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INTERESTING!!
I THINK TALK TALK WERE A KICK IN THE POSTERIOR AWAY FROM PROG BUT WERE CAUGHT IN THE NEW WAVE/NEW ROMANTIC SOUND OF THE EARLY/ MID 80'S CLOSE BUT JUST NOT QUITE, IMHO!!(I REALLY LIKED THE COLOUR OF SPRING AND LIFE'S WHAT YOU MAKE IT IS STILL ONE OF THE GREAT 80'S SONGS!!) |
Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 11:40
I guess Uriah Heep could loosely be associated to prog, especially Magician's Birthday (both album and song-suite itself, especially), while Return to Fantasy and High & Mighty alltogether are more prog than melodic hard'n'heavy-well, that's too ------------- Respect |
Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 11:56
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Yep, I would've love to see and listen to Mark in a prog band! Early this month, I was talking 'bout how I considered "Alchemy" a very proggy production (despite it is a live album)... but, only, only in a band 'cus his solo career pretty much sux to me ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------
Do not judge Mark that harshly--he always was folkish and into bluez big time!!! He is more likely still to be found on the stage with Clapton or BB than in some prog production, which by no means diminishes his enormous contribution to put it simply--to the great music, especially in the times of a new wave rampage and ultimate commercialism, namely 80-s. I remember 80-s very clearly still and the decline of Genesis ------------- Respect |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 14:23
Agree entirely, I'm sure they had another "Salisbury" at least in them. There's still time yet...
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Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 14:27
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[/QUOTE] Agree entirely, I'm sure they had another "Salisbury" at least in them. There's still time yet...
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As UH's media noted once: for Russians this band carries a very special significance, not to mention the fact that July Morning was USSR's alternative state anthem--this is absolutely TRUE without any stretch. About 90% of Russian prog fans (which is quite a lot in terms of numbers) started their venture namely from UH and its Salisbury and Look At Yourself--I am one of them ------------- Respect |
Posted By: Russiandude
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 14:36
Since John's name popped up here. Well Led Zeppelin (especially Achille's Last Stand) already had this in them, that is were drifting in that direction. While personally I always called all Robert Plant's solo work as fusion of heavy blues and prog. ------------- Respect |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 17:01
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Japan made it into the archives via Rain Tree Crow. Fantasic album, IMO.
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: August 04 2004 at 19:54
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John Paul Jones did some great work with Diamanda Galas- more avant-garde than prog, but definitely worth checking out. Speaking of which, Ms. Galas has done some incredible gothic/ experimental albums including the incredible "Plaugue Mass" which should never be listened to alone in a darkened room...
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: August 14 2004 at 23:02
| Mylene Farmer! |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 14 2004 at 23:38
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David Sylvain... oh wait.. I think he tried.. ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: ErpTheWizard
Date Posted: August 17 2004 at 17:14
Ali Farka Touré. Imagine african prog.   ------------- "When 900 years you reach, look as good, you will not." -Yoda |