Should Iron Maiden be classified as Prog-

Not prog, but progressive. I really think that particular in this case (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Megadeth) this distinction is useful ... "prog" denotes a genre, while "progressive" is merely an attribute which stands for "innovative, a little bit ahead of their time, genre-expanding". So while Iron Maiden never sounded like Dream Theater (prog), they were definitely progressive on some albums. The pity is that on every album they also have 100% mainstream songs that are neither prog nor progressive ...

Ghost Rider wrote: toolis wrote: do you, guys, really believe that Maiden are prog or do you just want to see your fav teen band in the PA so that you can review their LPs, give them all 5 stars and see them climb up the top100?      I find such remarks offensive, both on my own behalf and on that of the people who are supporting IM's induction into PA. I am a Rush fan, but if you look at my reviews, I gave their albums 3 stars more often than 5 - and I object to your using the expression "fav teen band". No one is talking about Back Street Boys or the Spice Girls here, and I don't see any of the people who have been posting in this thread wanting IM in PA in order to see their albums climb up the Top 100. I sure couldn't care less.As to believing IM are prog, I think you've been a member of PA long enough to see that the definition is hazy to say the least, and that most people won't agree on what constitutes 'prog'. So, there are people who consider Maiden prog, others who don't - as there are those who think 'Close to the Edge' is overrated, and those who consider it a masterpiece. In any case, I think you (and anybody else) can and should express the same concepts in a way that doesn't sound as unpleasant as the one you used above.

    

i didn't mean to offend anyone, i thought you would receive it as a joke, my apologies if i didn't make clear that i wasn't serious...

toolis wrote: we mustn't confuse tech metal with prog metal... My Dying Bride had long tracks cause they are a doom metal band not proggy at all... bands like Sepultura or Coroner and Autopsy are/were tech thrash/death, not prog metal...

Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - September 06 2006 at 08:33

    I was exposed to Iron Maiden in my youth. They sounded great, but I was getting into Genesis at the time. I very easily could have gone the Metal route.

Because of the renewed interest, I decided to check them out again. I just picked up "The Number of the Beast," "Powerslave," and "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son."

"Beast" is very good metal, but only gets proggy on the last two tracks.
"Poweslave" is very much in the realm of prog.
"Seventh Son" is Prog.

It seems that like many bands here, they evolved into prog. I have had this assessment confirmed by other fans.This is Prog Metal, and (IMO) better than any of the big bands on this site. The compositions are very strong.

Remember, this is coming from an old man too.

Ghost Rider wrote: HT, my dearest fellow horseman  -  (and you're not old at all - what would that make me then?)BTW, your new sig is fantastic, and I endorse that 100%...Anyway, though we may be the Four (or five?) Horsemen, I'm afraid we're very much flogging the proverbial dead horse in this particular case...

Ah, Raffaella, you are too sweet.

The old man thing was in response to an earlier comment. It may never happen, but perhaps some more people will check out this quality metal band.

bhikkhu wrote: Ghost Rider wrote: HT, my dearest fellow horseman  -  (and you're not old at all - what would that make me then?)BTW, your new sig is fantastic, and I endorse that 100%...Anyway, though we may be the Four (or five?) Horsemen, I'm afraid we're very much flogging the proverbial dead horse in this particular case... Ah, Raffaella, you are too sweet. The old man thing was in response to an earlier comment. It may never happen, but perhaps some more people will check out this quality metal band.

Err... I think pretty much EVERYONE knows Iron Maiden.

Iron Maiden progressed metal, not music alltogether. So while they have proggy undertones, concept albums and even a few prog songs, they are not a prog band. They helped and still do help metal as one of the godfathers of the genre, nonetheless metal was around before them.

Eetu Pellonpää wrote: I think it's about violently pushing the barriers of theoretical fences, which create territories for conceptual entities. "This is PROG!"

Taking that description, then we should be considering all genres of electronica, like Trance, Jungle, Drum and Bass and all the recent derivatives with silly names.

We should also be seriously thinking about Punk - how violently were the barriers pushed by that music?

Then there's rap, techno, chill-out, and all the other popular forms in which barriers have been pushed if not broken.


In short, that reasoning by itself is insufficient.

And I have to say that reasoning is in short supply in this thread...


    

Certif1ed wrote: Eetu Pellonpää wrote: I think it's about violently pushing the barriers of theoretical fences, which create territories for conceptual entities. "This is PROG!"  Taking that description, then we should be considering all genres of electronica, like Trance, Jungle, Drum and Bass and all the recent derivatives with silly names. We should also be seriously thinking about Punk - how violently were the barriers pushed by that music? Then there's rap, techno, chill-out, and all the other popular forms in which barriers have been pushed if not broken. In short, that reasoning by itself is insufficient. And I have to say that reasoning is in short supply in this thread...

So, why do you bother to post here, if we are all unreasoning brutes? Do you realise that this is not a very complimentary remark, or is it just that you don't care?

Joren wrote: Eetu Pellonpää wrote: toolis wrote: we mustn't confuse tech metal with prog metal... My Dying Bride had long tracks cause they are a doom metal band not proggy at all... bands like Sepultura or Coroner and Autopsy are/were tech thrash/death, not prog metal...   I agree your categorizations, and I'm sure you know about the metal stuff more than me, but the features mentioned here (long tracks, unconventional rhtyhms) are still the same to which many people point when claiming some bands as progressive, won't you agree?   I think it's about violently pushing the barriers of theoretical fences, which create territories for conceptual entities. "This is PROG!" One could also claim that all jazz influenced prog rock which are here labelled as jazz rock / fusion, is not prog at all, but they are jazz! Good point.Al di Meola for instance is more jazz than he is prog. And there are much more of these artists in PA.

    
true, i agree that jazz can't be prog as we mean it and Al Di Meola isn't prog and i don't agree with his being in the PA... i'm on board with this...and even if some people tend to label any band that has long tracks or super tech music, "prog", i don't care.. to me, they'll never be...

so, i guess we are pointing out the same thing, guys...