Should Iron Maiden be classified as Prog-

lastdodobird wrote: Joren wrote: General remark: if Iron Maiden would be included, nobody could refuse the addition of Metallica, since they had a considerable influence on prog metal. And when both Iron Maiden AND Metallica are in, many more requests will follow. I actually agree that Iron Maiden might have enough reason to be here in prog related (and they're a great band, without question), but I wouldn't want ProgArchives to lose its focus: prog. If that's the case, then maybe the whole proto-prog and prog-related subgeneres should be totally wiped out from PA...

No, they serve a purpose. I just don't think we should 'stray too far away'. I mean, the Archives' proto-prog and prog related sections should contain bands and artist that prog fans can at least relate to.

I think they have a strong case for inclusion in the archives as a Prog related band. Tracks like Phantom of the Opera, Alexander the Great and Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner are pure Prog IMO, not to mention a huge number of tracks with many Proggy moments. They were often compared to Marillion back in the 80s, also, so I don't see why it's such a huge leap.

IMO: no

we would have to include Priest, Sabbath and compagny... great bands... not prog...

Joren wrote: General remark: if Iron Maiden would be included, nobody could refuse the addition of Metallica, since they had a considerable influence on prog metal. And when both Iron Maiden AND Metallica are in, many more requests will follow. I actually agree that Iron Maiden might have enough reason to be here in prog related (and they're a great band, without question), but I wouldn't want ProgArchives to lose its focus: prog.

You can say exactly the same thing about Queensryche and Iron Maiden.

floydisgod wrote: Joren wrote: General remark: if Iron Maiden would be included, nobody could refuse the addition of Metallica, since they had a considerable influence on prog metal. And when both Iron Maiden AND Metallica are in, many more requests will follow. I actually agree that Iron Maiden might have enough reason to be here in prog related (and they're a great band, without question), but I wouldn't want ProgArchives to lose its focus: prog. You can say exactly the same thing about Queensryche and Iron Maiden.

Sorry, I'm not very familiar with Queensrÿche.

Mercyful Fate are in no way Prog Metal, and the fact whether or not they are Prog-Related is a different question, and perhaps one difficult to answer. Even their most famous "progressive" albums Mellisa and Don't Break The Oath have quite intricate, unorthodox moments, that would later the extreme music scenes, however, are still full of quite basic Speed Metal with satanic lyrics. I also voted against their inclusion to the site, however, that had more to do with being in a team(the other two people also rejected the band, and I had mixed thoughts), rather than being biased or even having a strict opinion on their inclusion. I think MF are even more progressive than Iron Maiden and Metallica, but come on, we haven't even got My Dying Bride and Emperor as Prog-Related, and people still keep asking us to add bands with much lesser prog ingredients!

Joren wrote: Trickster F. wrote: Mercyful Fate are in no way Prog Metal, and the fact whether or not they are Prog-Related is a different question, and perhaps one difficult to answer. Proto-Prog-Metal?

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Why can't we simply call those "progressive" Mercyful Fate albums "Complex Aggressive Metal"?

^ Agreed. Of course my suggestion implies that Mercyful Fate are not accepted in the archives.

Trickster F. wrote: Joren wrote: Trickster F. wrote: Mercyful Fate are in no way Prog Metal, and the fact whether or not they are Prog-Related is a different question, and perhaps one difficult to answer. Proto-Prog-Metal?   I don't like the category "Proto-Prog-Metal", speaking honestly. Many bands who are considered that, surely influenced a great variety of metal genres, prog-metal included, but no matter how their influence is undeniable and can not be overlooked, they are very often only remotely close to the sound of Prog. Complexity, unusual time signatures, long songs, keyboards and above average technique are all traits often associated with prog, but each one separately and often even few at once doeth not a prog band maketh.

O well, they just sound proggy to me... but what do I know, I'm not a PMS.

We'll see... maybe they'll get added, and maybe not. But there's no stopping them for sure if Iron Maiden and Metallica are included. Any case, I'll live.