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freebird
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Topic: Who are these guys Robert Fripp's hanging Posted: August 30 2006 at 19:58 |
Thanks for the "Vai" quote, kinda says it all doesn't it? There have been a few too many posts sl*gging others opinions here. they are all talented, just different styles. (But of course Fripp was one of the legendary pioneers!)
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Posted: August 30 2006 at 09:33 |
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Greetings All,
So sorry I have not sent more updates. I’m working on a big one that covers the Metropole project, the new CD and the G3 tour but at this time I want to tell you a little bit about the influence that Robert Fripp has had on me. As a youth I used to hear a lot about this guy but wasn't introduced to his music until I went out and bought “Exposure” when I was about 18 years old. This record had a profound impact on me. It was completely different from anything else that was going on at the time. I felt I was hearing a real musician that was using his guitar as a tool to create his art.
His music was unique. It was obvious to me that he could play just about anything on the instrument but playing the guitar was not the only thing he was doing. He was creating sounds and atmospheres that sounded like nothing else. There was such an aggressive edge and yet at other times it was profoundly beautiful. It was also obvious that he was a guy who was doing EXACTLY what he wanted and what he was hearing in his head, regardless of what any genre or trend was dictating. That is the epitome of musical integrity. This was inspiring to me and gave me the courage to make a firm resolve that I would do the same thing with my own ideas. Then I finally was introduced to King Crimson and…. Game over!
If you try to consider the coolest band that you have in your collections right now, that’s what King Crimson has been since the 70’s to many. It’s impossible to quantify the effect that this band (Robert's vision) has had on contemporary rock musicians. There would be no bands like Tool, Dream Theater, Mudvayne, Rush and so many others including Steve Vai the way you know him. There are treasures beyond measure in Robert's catalog and I sincerely suggest you take the time to discover these jewels.There are not many musicians I consider a true genius of the art and he is one of them. His musical intuition is real without any excuses. We can only hope to have that kind of honesty in our art.Now, G3 is a celebration of the guitar in all its permeations, and it will continue to be so, with or without me. I believe that what Robert is doing with his Soundscapes is cathartic Divinity. It’s about restraint and patience. If you attend one of the G3 concerts with Robert, I suggest you open your mind and let go of what you may be expecting and let the beauty of this man's sonic tapestries just wash over you. Joe and I will fill the air with all the violent Mongolian string abuse you can possibly handle for one evening.
By the way, If you are fortunate enough to dive into Robert's catalog for his guitar playing, you may discover that the man can shred Joe and I if he wanted to.Robert is a total gentleman, a lovely man and all of us have bonded nicely on this tour and Joe and I feel a reverent honor in having him with us.
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Fusionman
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 17:00 |
Buckethead is faster than all three of them as my best guess. Fripp is no better or worse than Vai or Satch, he just has more patience. He's more about the realization that silence is just as important as notes in music.
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 13:31 |
Hmmm... this is getting a bit rough... I still think I'm gonna help out Fripp's side... because most of us are just saying 'Not only is ____ better at ____, but ____ is ALSO better at _____, _____, ______, and _____.' without giving reasons for anything. So Ill give a couple reasons... Fripp can play fast if he wants to... Im not going to argue that he is THE FASTEST, cause hes not, but he CAN play fast. I suppose hes versatile too, he wont just tear off on some showy, wanky guitar solo...lick... whatever... but when he does play a solo its always well placed and ... I want to say its 'well structured' but I feel Im now talking about stuff I have no business talking about since I am really, really not a musician. I guess Vai and Satch could play anything Fripp could... Is there even any use arguing that? The Musical Box (tribute band) can play anything Genesis wrote... are they better than the real Genesis? **** no. If anyone said THAT, people would probably think they're a moron. The point is... Fripp is great. Dont just kick him in the ass and say 'Vai and Satch could play CIRCLES around him. ****ing CIRCLES! If you dont know that then theres no point in me explaining it! Why would I explain it? I have REASONS, I just dont want to SHARE THEM, BECAUSE THERES NO POINT IN ME SHARING ALL THE REASONS I HAVE FOR DISLIKING FRIPP!!! PLENTY OF REASONS!' Whatever, I dont know what I'm talking about... Im just some guy with a blind devotion to Mr. Fripp... I guess... P.s. I bought the Eyes Wide Open DVD while I was on vacation in England, and it was pretty good... of course the band is great and all, but there was a scratch on the first disc  and now Elektrik doesnt work! Also I dont like how the second disc works with the random improvs and stuff... I wish they'd just kept all the film in order ... I suppose its a cool idea but its not for me... the improvs ARE very very cool though, all the performance is great and the film quality is good (I dont mind the second disc's bootleggy quality [Bootleg TV? haha])... I just wish Fripp would get over his 'not wanting to play older material with newer band' thing...
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GPFR
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 22:24 |
I think writing wise, Fripp is far more creative...
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Philéas
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 17:12 |
This thread has gone very off-topic. There have been some harsh words,
so I think we should try to cool it and return on-topic, or close the
topic altogether (since we now know who the guys Fripp's hanging with
are).
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BenMech
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 21:46 |
If you don't know why Fripp is a better guitarist than Satch, there's no use arguing.
I'd suggest studying Guitar Craft
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 16:21 |
maybe the songwriting, since you are right, they both play totally different types of music. i think the topic on hand is who is the better overall guitarist is, and i still say Fripp
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xtopher
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 16:06 |
Eh, I'll argue about songwriting. Perhaps it would be unfair to compare the two because their styles are so different, but Satch is one of the best songwriters I've ever seen.
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 15:36 |
i have seen Fripp play monsterously fast. he easily takes the cake. only maybe Petrucci can outplay him in terms of speed. in terms of crafting great leads and solos, Fripp again wins. also in rythym, theory, composition, technicality, pretty much across the board. playing ridiculousy fast is just not his style. what would KC songs sound like if Mr. Fripp was playing solos ala John Petrucci?
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Arsillus
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 09:58 |
They're all excellent musicians in my opinion...just different styles.
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 09:10 |
Yeah, Fripp isn't the type of guitarist I'd pick to play at one of these shows.
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WaywardSon
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 08:45 |
When touring with G3, Fripp was actually booed at, at a lot of the shows. The title of this thread should really be "Who is that guy hanging with Satch and Vai?"
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 02:06 |
I'm not about to argue about songwriting, as Fripp was better.
I'm talking about the complete lack of understanding and blind following becuase he happens to be Fripp form King Crimson. The same can be said for fanboys of the other two.
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 01:10 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
I'm amazed at how unknowledgeable some of you guys are about guitaristsIf you really think Vai is a speed show, listen to Malmsteen or Michael Angelo Batio.That is a speed show.Tender Surrender was by no means a speed event.
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It wasn't Fripp also. Watch my post, and you'll see another word: composition. Not only talking about speed, composition is there also. And Fripp is much more suitable as composer.
Edited by cuncuna - August 26 2006 at 01:11
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 01:08 |
I'm amazed at how unknowledgeable some of you guys are about guitarists
If you really think Vai is a speed show, listen to Malmsteen or Michael Angelo Batio.
That is a speed show.
Tender Surrender was by no means a speed event.
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cuncuna
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 01:03 |
Fripp has skills that Satriani and Vai can only dream about. Those two guys are just fast guitarists. With very flat compositions and a way of playing that says "I play faster than I think". Fripp thinks about what is he about to produce, and his music goes far beyond. Vai and Satriani can't match him, since they use very simple structures to sustain their music, that being only a rather empty canvas for their mindless speed show. Fripp has the speed clearly, but also the brain to know that speed equals speed and nothing more, while music is a complex expresion.
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Posted: August 26 2006 at 00:48 |
I'm going to go ahead and go with Fripp on Musical talent, and Technical Talent...
Musical talent by a land slide... Technicaly they are pretty matched, but I gave Fripp the straw becuase well, he's more elagant about it... it's like joe and steve are just one of those Paracutin eruptions, that happen often, and still dazzle don't blow you away. Fripp is like a Mount St. Helens waiting to blow up, and when it does, your knocked out of your socks. Fripp IS a legend...
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 21:00 |
Indeed, all are talented musicians but Fripp powns them.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 20:38 |
I think Fripp rarely shows his true potential, but when he does... EARGASM! He does some crazy sh*t on the Eyes Wide Open DVD.
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