Who are these guys Robert Fripp's hanging
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Topic: Who are these guys Robert Fripp's hanging
Posted By: Man Overboard
Subject: Who are these guys Robert Fripp's hanging
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:03
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Posted By: Shredaholic
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:12
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That's on the G3 tour. From left to right: Satriani Jeff Campitelli (drum) Vai Matt Bisonnette (bass) |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:13
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I -knew- Bissonette looked familiar... he's on my Yellow Matter Custard DVD! Oh, and welcome to the forum! ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:16
| Fripp doesn't really belong there though. |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:19
I agree, but he's got a history of playing with less talented musicians. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
King of Loss wrote:Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:21
Are you saying what I'm thinking about?
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Posted By: Proghat
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:24
Wait, you don't even know these guys and you're calling them less talented?? Steve and Joe are anything but talentless. You may not like their music, but they are far from talentless, and in fact, have much more "talent" than Fripp. THAT'S why he's out of place. Fripp is good, don't get me wrong, but he's not a guitar wizard like these guys are. |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:24
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That Fripp is more talented than Vai and Satriani? Yes.
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:25
Actually, I'm quite familiar with Satch and Vai; I've got a cousin who's a guitar wizard, and he worships those guys. I didn't recognize them by sight because I listened to their -music- instead of obsessing over their image. Yes, they're both very good, but they're not on the same level as Fripp... Vai himself even said so. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Zoso
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:29
What the hell do you think Vai's going to say. "Joe and I are better than Robert, and that's that."? Of course he'll say Fripp is better, but it doesn't make it true, he said that simply out of respect. Vai and Joe could play Fripp to pieces any day. That said, I prefer Fripp as a guitarist, and the songwriting skills of Vai and Satch come nowhere near Fripp's. -------------  |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 16:39
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If there was no Fripp, there'd be no Satch/Vai, and that's a fact. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 17:15
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And Fripp is somewhere in the back, as usual.
He could definitely outplay either of those guys. It's just not his style. ------------- 
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Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 17:15
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1st. Vai and Satriani play very well and so speed, but they are'nt so innovative.
2nd. Fripp plays well and speed too, but Fripp are not only a rock musician, he's a avant guitarrist, he's a master of a very difficult style. My opinion is that, Fripp is better MUSICIAN than satriani and vai ------------- you and whose army? |
Posted By: Proghat
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 17:24
First of all, I'm pretty sure anybody who comes to these forums doesn't sit there and obsess over musicians' images, but you recognized Fripp by sight, didn't you? Nobody said anything about "images". If you've ever seen Vai/Satch live, you'd obviously know what they look like -- even if you don't really care. So, given that you don't even know what they look like, I'm gonna have to say that your opinion of them really doesn't seem all that valid. This is also taking into consideration the fact that they appear on the covers of most of their albums. Second of all, Vai may have said that Fripp was better than than him, but he did so out of respect. Joe and Vai are much more proficient at guitar than Fripp. This is not to say that Fripp is a slouch (certainly not), all it means is that they are better than him when it comes to guitar. I'm not crapping on Fripp. He's awesome, and I actually like his MUSIC a lot better than Vai/Satch's. He's a much better songwriting than those two are. The thing is, he just can't compete with them when it comes to guitar skills. That's why he's out of place.  |
Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 17:30
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I disagree that. The guitar work of Fripp is more difficult than the speedy solos of vai and satch ------------- you and whose army? |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 17:42
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Not only that, but Fripp's capable of playing insane speeds... the improv videos from the Eyes Wide Open DVD show some solos that I think Satch and Vai would have to practice for hours to nail... not only for the speed, but the modes and scales!
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 18:09
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I don't buy it. Being as familiar with Satch and Vai's work as I am, I'm convinced that anything Fripp could play, Satch and Vai could match fairly easily. ------------- 
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Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 18:21
Are you one of those elitists who think guys such as Satch and Vai can't match Fripp and other guitarists because you think all Vai and Satch do is play fast? Face it: those two can play circles around Fripp. I like Fripp, but he does not have the technical or melodic control that they do. Have you ever seen and/or heard Satch or Vai? I have seen Satch, and he's absolutely amazing! I have several of both guitarists albums... and they are absolutely phenomenal (the playing, not necessarily compositions). I also have several Crimson albums and heard many other examples of Fripp's work. Fripp simply does not match their abilities. Also, some of you talk of Fripp's "avant-garde." Sorry, Fripp is only average. Compare him to Derek Bailey, for example. Derek is a far superior player. 'Nuff said. ------------- 
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 18:30
I'm just gonna go ahead and say that you are an idiot. Elitism is one thing, stupidity is another. I'm not even talking about speed, its irrelevant. Vai said Fripp was better, of course. If he had said, "no way me and Joe are much better than Fripp" you would be making a thread ripping on him and how he is full of himself and dissing a "legend" like Robert Fripp. I don't say this often and usually I brush this kind of stuff off as very childish(as indeed this mostly is), but you have no clue what you are talking about and obviously don't understand anything about the history of guitarists. Get your head out of your arse sir. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 18:34
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I've seen all these guitar players live (on DVD) and I too feel that, overall, Fripp is a better guitarist. It's easy to say that Vai/Satriani could easily nail anything Fripp plays because they always show off. When Fripp does show off (which is rare), he proves that he can attain the same level of speed that Vai/Satriani but he adds complexity to it. A good example that was already brought up is the Eyes wide open DVD. Some of the improv solos he plays are insane. Plus, Fripp's rythm guitar structures are sometimes really really complex. Anyway, that my opinion. -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Epitath
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 19:53
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Guys, Fripp is an amazing guitarist, thats a fact. However, were not talking about some random guys of the street, were talking about Stevie Vai and Joe! I couldnt believe my eyes when i read this thread! Some of you are actually really saying that fripp is more talented that joe and steve? cmon, be realistic! geez... ------------- 
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Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 20:32
Fripp IS more talented than Joe and Steve.  ------------- 
You've just had a heavy session of electroshock therapy, and you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 20:36
I see you still dont quit get Fripp´s overblowing talent...its alright, it will come to you ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 20:38
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I think Fripp rarely shows his true potential, but when he does... EARGASM! He does some crazy sh*t on the Eyes Wide Open DVD. -------------
You've just had a heavy session of electroshock therapy, and you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks. |
Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: August 25 2006 at 21:00
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Indeed, all are talented musicians but Fripp powns them.
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Posted By: -Radioswim-
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 00:48
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I'm going to go ahead and go with Fripp on Musical talent, and Technical Talent...
Musical talent by a land slide... Technicaly they are pretty matched, but I gave Fripp the straw becuase well, he's more elagant about it... it's like joe and steve are just one of those Paracutin eruptions, that happen often, and still dazzle don't blow you away. Fripp is like a Mount St. Helens waiting to blow up, and when it does, your knocked out of your socks. Fripp IS a legend... ------------- 
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 01:03
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Fripp has skills that Satriani and Vai can only dream about. Those two guys are just fast guitarists. With very flat compositions and a way of playing that says "I play faster than I think". Fripp thinks about what is he about to produce, and his music goes far beyond. Vai and Satriani can't match him, since they use very simple structures to sustain their music, that being only a rather empty canvas for their mindless speed show. Fripp has the speed clearly, but also the brain to know that speed equals speed and nothing more, while music is a complex expresion. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 01:08
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I'm amazed at how unknowledgeable some of you guys are about guitarists If you really think Vai is a speed show, listen to Malmsteen or Michael Angelo Batio. That is a speed show. Tender Surrender was by no means a speed event. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 01:10
It wasn't Fripp also. Watch my post, and you'll see another word: composition. Not only talking about speed, composition is there also. And Fripp is much more suitable as composer. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 02:06
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I'm not about to argue about songwriting, as Fripp was better. I'm talking about the complete lack of understanding and blind following becuase he happens to be Fripp form King Crimson. The same can be said for fanboys of the other two. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 08:45
| When touring with G3, Fripp was actually booed at, at a lot of the shows. The title of this thread should really be "Who is that guy hanging with Satch and Vai?" |
Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 09:10
| Yeah, Fripp isn't the type of guitarist I'd pick to play at one of these shows. |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 09:58
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They're all excellent musicians in my opinion...just different styles. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 15:36
| i have seen Fripp play monsterously fast. he easily takes the cake. only maybe Petrucci can outplay him in terms of speed. in terms of crafting great leads and solos, Fripp again wins. also in rythym, theory, composition, technicality, pretty much across the board. playing ridiculousy fast is just not his style. what would KC songs sound like if Mr. Fripp was playing solos ala John Petrucci? |
Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 16:06
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Eh, I'll argue about songwriting. Perhaps it would be unfair to compare the two because their styles are so different, but Satch is one of the best songwriters I've ever seen.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 16:21
| maybe the songwriting, since you are right, they both play totally different types of music. i think the topic on hand is who is the better overall guitarist is, and i still say Fripp |
Posted By: BenMech
Date Posted: August 26 2006 at 21:46
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If you don't know why Fripp is a better guitarist than Satch, there's no use arguing.
I'd suggest studying Guitar Craft |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: August 27 2006 at 17:12
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This thread has gone very off-topic. There have been some harsh words,
so I think we should try to cool it and return on-topic, or close the
topic altogether (since we now know who the guys Fripp's hanging with
are). |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: August 27 2006 at 22:24
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I think writing wise, Fripp is far more creative...
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Posted By: Pneubauer
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 13:31
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Hmmm... this is getting a bit rough... I still think I'm gonna help out Fripp's side... because most of us are just saying 'Not only is ____ better at ____, but ____ is ALSO better at _____, _____, ______, and _____.' without giving reasons for anything. So Ill give a couple reasons... Fripp can play fast if he wants to... Im not going to argue that he is THE FASTEST, cause hes not, but he CAN play fast. I suppose hes versatile too, he wont just tear off on some showy, wanky guitar solo...lick... whatever... but when he does play a solo its always well placed and ... I want to say its 'well structured' but I feel Im now talking about stuff I have no business talking about since I am really, really not a musician. I guess Vai and Satch could play anything Fripp could... Is there even any use arguing that? The Musical Box (tribute band) can play anything Genesis wrote... are they better than the real Genesis? **** no. If anyone said THAT, people would probably think they're a moron. The point is... Fripp is great. Dont just kick him in the ass and say 'Vai and Satch could play CIRCLES around him. ****ing CIRCLES! If you dont know that then theres no point in me explaining it! Why would I explain it? I have REASONS, I just dont want to SHARE THEM, BECAUSE THERES NO POINT IN ME SHARING ALL THE REASONS I HAVE FOR DISLIKING FRIPP!!! PLENTY OF REASONS!' Whatever, I dont know what I'm talking about... Im just some guy with a blind devotion to Mr. Fripp... I guess... P.s. I bought the Eyes Wide Open DVD while I was on vacation in England, and it was pretty good... of course the band is great and all, but there was a scratch on the first disc  and now Elektrik doesnt work! Also I dont like how the second disc works with the random improvs and stuff... I wish they'd just kept all the film in order ... I suppose its a cool idea but its not for me... the improvs ARE very very cool though, all the performance is great and the film quality is good (I dont mind the second disc's bootleggy quality [Bootleg TV? haha])... I just wish Fripp would get over his 'not wanting to play older material with newer band' thing... |
Posted By: Fusionman
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 17:00
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Buckethead is faster than all three of them as my best guess. Fripp is no better or worse than Vai or Satch, he just has more patience. He's more about the realization that silence is just as important as notes in music. ------------- 
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Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 09:33
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Taken from:
http://www.vai.com/News/index_jan-sep2004.html - http://www.vai.com/News/index_jan-sep2004.html
Greetings All,
So sorry I have not sent more updates. I’m working on a big one that covers the Metropole project, the new CD and the G3 tour but at this time I want to tell you a little bit about the influence that Robert Fripp has had on me. As a youth I used to hear a lot about this guy but wasn't introduced to his music until I went out and bought “Exposure” when I was about 18 years old. This record had a profound impact on me. It was completely different from anything else that was going on at the time. I felt I was hearing a real musician that was using his guitar as a tool to create his art. His music was unique. It was obvious to me that he could play just about anything on the instrument but playing the guitar was not the only thing he was doing. He was creating sounds and atmospheres that sounded like nothing else. There was such an aggressive edge and yet at other times it was profoundly beautiful. It was also obvious that he was a guy who was doing EXACTLY what he wanted and what he was hearing in his head, regardless of what any genre or trend was dictating. That is the epitome of musical integrity. This was inspiring to me and gave me the courage to make a firm resolve that I would do the same thing with my own ideas. Then I finally was introduced to King Crimson and…. Game over! If you try to consider the coolest band that you have in your collections right now, that’s what King Crimson has been since the 70’s to many. It’s impossible to quantify the effect that this band (Robert's vision) has had on contemporary rock musicians. There would be no bands like Tool, Dream Theater, Mudvayne, Rush and so many others including Steve Vai the way you know him. There are treasures beyond measure in Robert's catalog and I sincerely suggest you take the time to discover these jewels.There are not many musicians I consider a true genius of the art and he is one of them. His musical intuition is real without any excuses. We can only hope to have that kind of honesty in our art.Now, G3 is a celebration of the guitar in all its permeations, and it will continue to be so, with or without me. I believe that what Robert is doing with his Soundscapes is cathartic Divinity. It’s about restraint and patience. If you attend one of the G3 concerts with Robert, I suggest you open your mind and let go of what you may be expecting and let the beauty of this man's sonic tapestries just wash over you. Joe and I will fill the air with all the violent Mongolian string abuse you can possibly handle for one evening. By the way, If you are fortunate enough to dive into Robert's catalog for his guitar playing, you may discover that the man can shred Joe and I if he wanted to.Robert is a total gentleman, a lovely man and all of us have bonded nicely on this tour and Joe and I feel a reverent honor in having him with us.
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Posted By: freebird
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 19:58
| Thanks for the "Vai" quote, kinda says it all doesn't it? There have been a few too many posts sl*gging others opinions here. they are all talented, just different styles. (But of course Fripp was one of the legendary pioneers!) |