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Posted: August 25 2006 at 06:36 |
Which band peaked at its debut album, but thereafter went down?
It is not right to say they went far down, but Marillion's peak was with Script. Script was the Mount Everest. There have been some Mont Blancs....
Steven Hackett. He had a great debut, a very nice second album, a good third, an ok fourth..... etc. etc.
There must be more bands who lost the creativity after their debut album.
It would have been Pink Floyd's Debut album with Syd Barret (didn't he die recently?) if it wasn't for the fact that the others could even write better songs.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 07:22 |
Mike Oldfiend managed to release several good albums, but IMO his peak was "Tubular Bells" and his latest works are much weaker.
I'm sure there are many other cases, but I can't remember now.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 07:27 |
I agree with Steve Hackett, he wasn't able to equal Voyage of the Acolyte but he did come close with Darktown. Same with Mike Oldfeild. I don't like Godspeed You Black Emperor have been able to equal F#A#.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 07:31 |
Yes, for the big public the peak of Mike Oldfield must be Tubular Bells.
If that is true for the fans..... I don't know.
I just discovered Mike Oldfield and I like it very much. But I must say Tubular Bells is great but starts to be a bit boring, while his second album Hergest Ridge and 3th Ommadown are really great, equal to Tubular Bells if not better.
I understand that more recent work is not all that.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 07:34 |
 Chipiron wrote:
Mike Oldfiend managed to release several good albums, but IMO his peak was "Tubular Bells" and his latest works are much weaker.
I'm sure there are many other cases, but I can't remember now. |
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 07:35 |
Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws are both at least the equal of Script..., and IMO are better written and played than the debut.
Similarly, Ommadawn and Incantations are both better albums than Tubular Bells.
In fact, most of the classic prog bands of the 70s had relatively weak debuts, and even where this wasn't the case they generally managed to equal or improve on their debut - for example King Crimson with LTIA.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 07:45 |
Have to disagree on Hackett. Spectral Mornings, Darktown and To Watch the Storms are all superior to Voyage.
King Crimson haven't made any album better than ITCOTCK, in my book.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 07:55 |
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In my book Larks tongues is better and Red is equal
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:02 |
Speaking of people who left Genesis:
What about Peter Gabriel?
PG 1 was his peak. Maybe for some proghead PG 4 was his peak, but PG didn't reach a lot of his fans with that album. Of course anyone would say So was his peak and commercially they are right. But was this really his best (progressive) album.
Hmm, this is becoming very subjective.....
Small link in my brain:
Fish made a masterpiece with Virgil. Anything hereafter (and I have tried) was less.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:04 |
pero wrote:
In my book Larks tongues is better and Red is equal |
I agree there. Larks' tongues is their best in my opinion.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:06 |
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I agee with Fish, I definitely do not agree with Peter Gabriel - he
made at least three albums (4, So, Up) that I rate higher than his
first.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:06 |
I agree with you on Gabriel. His first album was more prog than other projects.
After 1 album his 3 was also OK.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:10 |
pero, it looks like we just agreed to disagree. 
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:11 |
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
I agree with Fish, I definitely do not agree with Peter Gabriel - he made at least three albums (4, So, Up) that I rate higher than his first. |
Above mentioned albums were more commercial than first 3, but definitely inferior in any other way
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:13 |
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pero
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:14 |
Yes indeed  . Well said
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:15 |
Australian wrote:
pero wrote:
In my book Larks tongues is better and Red is equal |
I agree there. Larks' tongues is their best in my opinion. |
Agreed, although I prefer "Red" (slightly). KC is a band that's been very good through the years. I'm not very fond of "Discipline", "Beat" and "3oapp", but their latter albums are really good. IMO.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:23 |
pero wrote:
Yes indeed . Well said |
I agree with Dragon Phoenix regarding Fish
I agree with Pero regarding Peter Gabriel
Seems I am back at my own opinion.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:43 |
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It is not right to say they went far down, but Marillion's peak was with Script. Script was the Mount Everest. There have been some Mont Blancs.... |
I know I'm gonna be so outspoken here but I have to disagree. For me, 'Brave' and 'Marbles' (full 2CD) are better than Script, not to mention 'Clutching At Straws'. But that said, 'Script' is a remarkable debut from my favourite band of all.
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Posted: August 25 2006 at 08:48 |
Who will now understand who agrees with who  . I give up
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