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    Posted: August 02 2004 at 16:48

 Whether lots of the southern europeans like it or not this band shows/has shown such an enormous transformation of style/s since 1972 when they approached to the italian prog.rock scene,check this out and tell me what you think 

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=289

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 17:19

I think it's rubbish and I don't like it.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 17:20
Simply the best band in the world! (or not?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 17:33
I've got 'Chocolate Kings'.I rate it at about 3 stars (some good tracks 'Harlequin' and 'Out of The Roundabout' but inconsistent overall).Havn't heard much else from them although Greg Lake and ELP held them in high regard and toured with them in 1972.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 17:36
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I think it's rubbish and I don't like it.

Compared to?

I think of PFM as precursors of not only well crafted symphonic prog rock, but of elegant and determinat musical instrumentation. Some of their releases may be disregarded if you wish, but the early works and years of the band where a definitive point of departure for most of the bands to come. PFM is an underrated band, like most of what it's done surrounding the Italian Symphonic Prog (e.g. Museo Rosenbach, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Consorzio Acqua Potabile, etc) where the only remains of proper recognition set off in names like BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO and Le ORME.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 17:42

 True true what you're sayin'man,if you then add an album of the start of the 80s from P.F.M.like this one we'll possibly think that prog.sympho.rock was up for a crisis period

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 17:53

PFM isn't my favorite italian prog band, but they're still pretty darn good. As far as importance goes, they're probably second only to Banco...and they give us a pretty wide range in their career, when a lot of my favorite italian bands could only stay together for an album or two.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 21:45

Originally posted by progchain progchain wrote:

Simply the best band in the world! (or not?)

I agree, one of the best in early '70s. Since Passpartu, unfortunately, just a poor commercial band (specially, last two studio albums are terrible) 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2004 at 23:52

Originally posted by Marcelo Marcelo wrote:

Since Passpartu, unfortunately, just a poor commercial band (specially, last two studio albums are terrible) 

I agree Marcelo... maybe they turned commercial due the exigencies of modern life or... they just growing older  

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 00:28

I always liked PFM.. and I enjoyed the times they traveled with ELP.  I knew at the time that they were on Manticore along with the other band that sometimes backed up ELP, Stray Dog... but I definitely preferred their shows to Stray Dogs.  I use to pick on Franco and Franz... about their voices... That was my least favorite thing about them...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 03:42
Originally posted by landberkdoten landberkdoten wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I think it's rubbish and I don't like it.

Compared to?

I think of PFM as precursors of not only well crafted symphonic prog rock, but of elegant and determinat musical instrumentation. Some of their releases may be disregarded if you wish, but the early works and years of the band where a definitive point of departure for most of the bands to come. PFM is an underrated band, like most of what it's done surrounding the Italian Symphonic Prog (e.g. Museo Rosenbach, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Consorzio Acqua Potabile, etc) where the only remains of proper recognition set off in names like BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO and Le ORME.

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Heh! Sorry, Land - I guess you weren't following the Marillion thread in the "Currently Listening to" section.

Actually, if you read my post, I do not refer to PFM - and neither does the original question. I just felt the need to be a bit controversial to underline the point I was making in that other discussion.

For the record, I have yet to form an opinion on PFM, as I have only heard the 3 sample tracks. However, as an avid consumer of all things musical, I will get around to it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 05:19
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 09:06

Everyone:

The first three Italian albums "Storia Di Un Minuto", "Per Un Amico" and "L'Isola Di Niente" are superb in my opinion, and good examples of very melodious symphonic Progressive Rock.

Having said that, I also like some of their later stuff too, even if it is much less progressive and more pop music. I like the track Suonare Suonare (from the album of the same title) very much. But I judge albums based on whether I like the music, not on whether they are 'progressive' (no gibe intended).

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 09:22
 I too like Suonare Suonare and their music doesn't necessarily have be prog.rock to amaze me,'Come ti va in riva alla citta''was the typical example of how they transformed themselves into a semi-prog.blues/rock&roll kinda idea. Songs like Weekend are an example of how Franz Di Cioccio was takin'the reins of the band and creating with the rest of'em more varied moments in the songs with Lucio Violino Fabbri playin'his violin like nobody else would. Shame that he left the band after all. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 13:58

From what I've heard--an excellent band. However, my personal knowledge of PFM is limited to a few random songs which is still enough, neverthelss, to make a conclusion about their superb musicmanship. Are there any other (free) resources on the net, which allow to get acquainted with this band closer? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 19:41
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Heh! Sorry, Land - I guess you weren't following the Marillion thread in the "Currently Listening to" section.

Actually, if you read my post, I do not refer to PFM - and neither does the original question. I just felt the need to be a bit controversial to underline the point I was making in that other discussion.

For the record, I have yet to form an opinion on PFM, as I have only heard the 3 sample tracks. However, as an avid consumer of all things musical, I will get around to it.

Thank you very much! Not it seems clearer to me

Regarding the Marillion thread, think same parameters should be applied here in order to measure up to the guidelines you pointed out to Joren, and to all collaborators in general. Yes, there are Marillion fans on one hand and in the other, well, don't. That's a respectable point of view, and I second it; but I think most of the times when it comes to likes, deslikes and incendiary opinions like the ones I looked through in the Marillion thread, as you said Cert, are IRRELEVANT and they lack of prudence. Being a Collaborator in the site entitles us to feel free when it comes to writting and speaking our minds up, but it also comes with several features like responsability, observation and measure. Besides all these guidelines, I would say that the most important thing is to remain impartial and fair. We'll avoid personal confrontations (like the one I held months ago with another member an it definitely undermined my position here) and we'll keep our dignity intact.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 19:44

Oh, and by the way, I'm a huge, devoted MARILLION fan!!! (preferably just the Fish era like I've mentioned before )

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 21:37

Quote I've got 'Chocolate Kings'.I rate it at about 3 stars

I agree Richardh Chocolate Kings doesn't deserve more, but this would be like qualifying Yes for 90125 or Genesis for ABACRAP.

Per un Amico and Storia di un Minuto are certainly masterpieces, along with Felona e Sorona (Le Orme) and Darwin (Banco del Mutuo Soccorso), are the best Italian prog' albums ever released, and probably the best non English albums in history.

Simply masterpieces with a classic and very own sound, until Pete Sifield started to change the lyrics and the sound to be more similar to ELP, specially because they signed with Mantricore Records.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 21:55

Actually I agree that, well actually I'm not sure, how I feel about Pete Sinfield's english lyrics for PFM.  It was somewhat easier to enjoy them when the words were in English, just because I enjoy a good lyric. 

But I don't agree that he changed their sound to be more ELP like.  Photo of Ghosts (1973) was their first album on Manticore.. and it doesn't sound unlike Per Un Amico... I think maybe their move to England and their touring in the States might be more responsible for a change in their sound.  As I recall, they spent a lot of time partying in the beginning and listening to other bands... even hanging around ELP's time in the Cinema.  I think the change in environment was a big factor.

To me, the first noticeable change in their style I believe was on "The World Became the World" from 1974.  I didn't find it ELP sounding tho.. maybe more King Crimson...afterall I think Mel Collins played with them awhile also.  In 1974, they toured with Ten Years After... they're lucky they had a sound after that...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:27

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Quote To me, the first noticeable change in their style I believe was on "The World Became the World" from 1974.  I didn't find it ELP sounding tho.. maybe more King Crimson...

The World Became the World is the most terrible and disgusting album PFM could ever release, it's the English version of "La Isola di Niente" (Nobody's Island would be the correct translation), Pete Sinfield not only changed the name of the album for a title that makes no seense, but also changed the name of the tracks (Is My Face On Straight was the only title saved) for absurd ones with no relation with the originals like "Dolcissima Maria" (Very Sweat Maria), La Luna Nuova (The New Moon), La Isola di niente and La Via Luumiere (Lumiere Street).

Not happy with that, Sinfield butchered the beautiful lyrics creating a hybrid that makes no senses at all. That's why I believe ELP and their lyricist are partially responsible for the change in the style of PFM, they turned an original and unique Italian band in ELP and Crimson wannabes.

Remember that Isola di Niente was the first PFM album released in Italian after they joined Manticore Records, because Photos of Ghosts was a compilation of two Italian albums (Storia di un Minuto and Per un Amico) released by PFM before they joined Manticore. So there's some relation with the band being part of the ELP label and the change in the sound of the band.

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