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Points: 21163 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 13:22
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

I buy mostly used vinyls... AND THE ARTISTS GETS NOTHING! Cry But I get a cool vintage artifact, which nobody can share via net. As a crime, file sharing is nothing compared when people get stabbed to the face on the streets. Have you seen it ever happen?


This is a great point, as I, too buy a lot of used vinyl.  It's a great way to expand your collection legally at relatively low cost.  However, the artist doesn't see a dime of used record money.

What hasn't the RIAA cracked down on those communist used record store owners??!!??! Wink


Indeed that's a reason why they're pushing the download stores: Downloaded files can't be sold. I would never buy any tracks as DRM-encrypted files for the same price as the real CD.

But the Napster subscription ... that's an entirely different model, and I can only recommend you all to give it a try.Big smile
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Points: 3839 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:00
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:



But the Napster subscription ... that's an entirely different model, and I can only recommend you all to give it a try.Big smile


Are Napster files free of DRM?  I've heard terrible tales about Napster, but I cant say that any of them are true.  I have heard that the files have DRM such that if you stop your subscription and you haven't backed up the files on CD or otherwise, they delete themselves.  I have no idea how this would work, it's just a scary tall tale I've heard.
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Points: 21163 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:08
^ maybe the Napster subscription model is too progressive for some people to understand ... Wink

I'll gladly try to explain:

- It costs $10/month.
- You can download most of their catalog as DRM-encrypted 192kbps WMA and listen to the tracks as often as you want.
- Once you cancel the subscription the files simply cannot be played anymore.

Why is this so great? Well, simply because for the price of one CD each month I can listen to a different album each day. Hell, I could listen to 10 new albums a day.Wink

Why is it no problem that the files cannot be played back once the subscription is cancelled? Well, simply because I buy the albums that I really like. So I only use the Napster subscription as an easy, legal and cheap way to listen to new albums extensively before I buy them. I usually buy 10 albums each month, so the extra $10 don't hurt my budget that much, considering that I save much money by being able to listen to the music that much before I decide to buy it.
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Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:


Are Napster files free of DRM?  I've heard terrible tales about Napster, but I cant say that any of them are true.  I have heard that the files have DRM such that if you stop your subscription and you haven't backed up the files on CD or otherwise, they delete themselves.  I have no idea how this would work, it's just a scary tall tale I've heard.


As far as I know, it would be highly complicated and costly to program a DRM system like that, and it would probably not pay off for Napster in the long run. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt that such a system is even possible to make...
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Points: 21163 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:16
^ it's really quite simple. A DRM-encrypted file carries a licence, and Windows simply refuses to play the file if the licence says that it has expired. So everytime you play a DRM-encrypted file, the player analyses the licence and - if it is outdated - queries the licence server to find out if the licence has been renewed, or if it has expired.
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Points: 3839 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:20
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

 
As far as I know, it would be highly complicated and costly to program a DRM system like that, and it would probably not pay off for Napster in the long run. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt that such a system is even possible to make...


Well apparently they have.  Confused

I dont know, Mike....   The Napster deal sounds sort of enticing on the surface, but I just can't shake my (paranoid?) fear of DRM.  I, too eventually buy the CDs of the albums I like, but until then the files I rip from others or from CD's in the radio library are unencumbered by magical digital voodoo.  Wink

honestly though, you make a good case for Napster, and I might try it... someday... when I'm sure I'll have a steady $10 in my bank account every monthEmbarrassed
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Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

In small doses for me. If the album is rare or expensive I'll download it.
 
 
Same here. But I usually get the album eventually after that.
 
 
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I think ultimatley it should be left up to the artist to have control over their own music. I think free downloads are a great way for an up and coming artist to get his work heard to a wide audience.
As was mentioned if I like something well enough I prefer to have the CD for my own collection.
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 22:33
I don't like downloading at all(legao or illegal) so no wai! It can be good to try something before  purchasing if you're unsure though.
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Points: 7374 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:28
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I don't like downloading at all(legao or illegal) so no wai! It can be good to try something before  purchasing if you're unsure though.


I agree. There's something that I really love about having the actual CD/vinyl with the casing and artwork and pictures and lyrics and notes and stuff. Downloading a song can't do that for me. It's like an experience. Geek
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:16
Mike, it's interesting to hear about the revised legal Napster. But can one find underground stuff from there? Like ASH RA TEMPEL, RUFUS ZUPHALL, etc. And are all of the files from official releases only?
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Points: 21163 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:38
^ of course Napster only offers tracks from official releases. But there are some really rare albums available - it's certainly not only mainstream. For example they have Painkiller - Execution Ground, Mike Keneally - Wooden Smoke, Robert Wyatt (most studio releases), The Residents ... Big smile 
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Points: 304 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 04:23

i find i dont have a problem with people using these things as taste testers, but they have to buy the album aswell, or they are cheating and stealing.
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 04:46
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ of course Napster only offers tracks from official releases. But there are some really rare albums available - it's certainly not only mainstream. For example they have Painkiller - Execution Ground, Mike Keneally - Wooden Smoke, Robert Wyatt (most studio releases), The Residents ... Big smile 
 
OK, thanx for info! Smile
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Points: 21163 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 07:04
^ no problem! I even created a page on my website today which lists more albums:

http://www.ratingfreak.com/home/albums/napster.xhtml

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wow, my first successful thread since my return, im proud.Clap
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 07:40
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ no problem! I even created a page on my website today which lists more albums:

http://www.ratingfreak.com/home/albums/napster.xhtml

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It's honourable how much effort you put into things you see improtant! As a development hint, the list would be more useful if the material would be in alphabetical order in my opinion. Tongue
 
How does the material get into Napster v.2, are they from user shares or does the server upkeeper provide them? 


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Points: 21163 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 07:48
^ thanks! Currently the list is sorted by album name, I'll group it by artist later (currently I'm busy with work).

The tracks available through Napster are supplied by the music industry and hosted on servers owned by Napster. It's really got nothing to do with file sharing or P2P anymore.Smile
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Points: 2188 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 14:32
I hate download music from the Internet.. Angry
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Originally posted by hackett acolyte hackett acolyte wrote:

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If you would have done a search you would have seen that this has been debated over and over and over again in the forum,and quite a few of those threads got closed because of arguments and such.
    


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