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Poll Question: Would you let your son/daughter carry one just in case?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 18:57
Thats nice Glass House. Smile
 
 
 
 
 
still 1 vote for the abstinence till marriage option.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 18:54
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:


Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

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Thanks for the support Raffaella.

My point was about emotional distress. I have been the cause, and the recipient of it in the past. I have found that even if it is just supposed to be casual, there are always some underlying emotions. You may not even realize it at first, but it can easily surface afterwards. I do not wish to cause harm in any way, shape, or form. Yes, I know that sometimes it is not intentional, but I will do my best to avoid it. That is all that can be expected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 16:09
My oldest daughter is 11, she's not that occupied with boys. We are very open so she allready knows enough. When she is older we are gonna talk about contraceptives whether it be condoms or the pill.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 15:45
Definitely yes. Morality aside, I think Woody Allen got it about right:
 
Sex without love is an empty experience, but as empty experiences go, it's one of the best.
 
And
 
Love is the answer - but while you're waiting for the answer, sex raises some pretty interesting questions.
'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 13:22
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:


Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

   I have a different view now. Although I still don't think marriage is neccessary, I do believe that two people should be absolutely sure that it is the right thing to do. There are many emotions involved, and it is very easy for someone to get hurt. For this reason, I have been celibate for almost four years. I do not wish to cause any harm. That includes myself. When I meet someone, and I am sure it is the right thing to do, this period will be over.      
 

 

 


 

Uuuhhh!!..........

 

Sex is meant to please not harm. especially when the two individual appreciate each other.

 

Just thought I'd remind you of this.

 

While I respect your celibacy, it is best to try out sex fairly soon in the relationship, because that is a factor that can intervene (inadequacies, strong distastes , simply bad physical chemistry >> which is possible even when the characterial chemistry is fine) into whether to keep going in that relation.

 

 

Generally nobody is having sex with someone the do not appreciate (outside the prostitution thing) at least quite a bit!!! or else, they are masochists (and THAT my friend is a whole other debate)
Hugues, yours is the point of view of a decent human being, who respects others as well as himself. You'd be surprised at the number of people who use sex to harm others - and I'm not talking about rape (which has nothing to do with sex, anyway). Having sex with somebody who is in love with you when you are not is a wonderful way of hurting them, especially when you can't be honest about that from the very beginning. This is why I tend to endorse Bhikkhu's views, which are quite rare in men, and nowadays also in women. It's not moralism, but rather a moral issue - to me, immorality is making others suffer. I hold these views because I've suffered a lot in the past because of men's dishonest behaviour. And I could write a book about the appreciation thing... If you mean "fancy", that's one thing - pure physical chemistry. Appreciation goes deeper, and involves other aspects than the purely physical.That said, I agree with you that it's best to try sex soon in a relationship, unless one is only interested in only having a spiritual bond with their partner.

    
Thanks for the support Raffaella.

My point was about emotional distress. I have been the cause, and the recipient of it in the past. I have found that even if it is just supposed to be casual, there are always some underlying emotions. You may not even realize it at first, but it can easily surface afterwards. I do not wish to cause harm in any way, shape, or form. Yes, I know that sometimes it is not intentional, but I will do my best to avoid it. That is all that can be expected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 12:59
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

   I have a different view now. Although I still don't think marriage is neccessary, I do believe that two people should be absolutely sure that it is the right thing to do. There are many emotions involved, and it is very easy for someone to get hurt. For this reason, I have been celibate for almost four years. I do not wish to cause any harm. That includes myself. When I meet someone, and I am sure it is the right thing to do, this period will be over.      
 
 
 
 
Uuuhhh!!..........Confused
 
Sex is meant to please not harm. especially when the two individual appreciate each other.
 
Just thought I'd remind you of this.Wink
 
While I respect your celibacy, it is best to try out sex fairly soon in the relationship, because that is a factor that can intervene (inadequacies, strong distastes , simply bad physical chemistry >> which is possible even when the characterial chemistry is fine) into whether to keep going in that relation.
 
 
Generally nobody is having sex with someone the do not appreciate (outside the prostitution thing) at least quite a bit!!! or else, they are masochists (and THAT my friend is a whole other debate)


Hugues, yours is the point of view of a decent human being, who respects others as well as himself. You'd be surprised at the number of people who use sex to harm others - and I'm not talking about rape (which has nothing to do with sex, anyway). Having sex with somebody who is in love with you when you are not is a wonderful way of hurting them, especially when you can't be honest about that from the very beginning.

This is why I tend to endorse Bhikkhu's views, which are quite rare in men, and nowadays also in women. It's not moralism, but rather a moral issue - to me, immorality is making others suffer. I hold these views because I've suffered a lot in the past because of men's dishonest behaviour. And I could write a book about the appreciation thing... If you mean "fancy", that's one thing - pure physical chemistry. Appreciation goes deeper, and involves other aspects than the purely physical.

That said, I agree with you that it's best to try sex soon in a relationship, unless one is only interested in only having a spiritual bond with their partner.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 12:47
Thanks for reminding me.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:37
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

   I have a different view now. Although I still don't think marriage is neccessary, I do believe that two people should be absolutely sure that it is the right thing to do. There are many emotions involved, and it is very easy for someone to get hurt. For this reason, I have been celibate for almost four years. I do not wish to cause any harm. That includes myself. When I meet someone, and I am sure it is the right thing to do, this period will be over.      
 
 
 
 
 
Uuuhhh!!..........Confused
 
Sex is meant to please not harm. especially when the two individual appreciate each other.
 
Just thought I'd remind you of this.Wink
 
While I respect your celibacy, it is best to try out sex fairly soon in the relationship, because that is a factor that can intervene (inadequacies, strong distastes , simply bad physical chemistry >> which is possible even when the characterial chemistry is fine) into whether to keep going in that relation.
 
 
Generally nobody is having sex with someone the do not appreciate (outside the prostitution thing) at least quite a bit!!! or else, they are masochists (and THAT my friend is a whole other debate)


Edited by Sean Trane - July 25 2006 at 11:38
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:26
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

Its 12 YES to 1 NO..
guess who answered NOLOL
I wish someone would come in and answer NO and explain his/her side
 
Saying 'no' is the same view as that of the Catholic church. Sorry to bring religion up but it has been mentioned a few times already. The Catholic church thinks that if people don't carry or use condoms then they won't have sex. This is wrong. agreed, (Im a non Catholic BTWSmile)
 
If you rephrase your question into "Would you encourage your children to have sex" then you'd get a lot more 'no' answers. well, quite obviouslyEmbarrassed
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:15
Its 12 YES to 1 NO..
guess who answered NOLOL
I wish someone would come in and answer NO and explain his/her side

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:09
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

   I have a different view now. Although I still don't think marriage is neccessary, I do believe that two people should be absolutely sure that it is the right thing to do. There are many emotions involved, and it is very easy for someone to get hurt. For this reason, I have been celibate for almost four years. I do not wish to cause any harm. That includes myself. When I meet someone, and I am sure it is the right thing to do, this period will be over.      
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:08
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

 
 
You said no religion MM, but I have grave concerns about views of catholic church/condoms & spread of AIDS.
 
 
Yes I would say that this is where the Vatican is really not up to their self-claimed level of decency. In order to avoid promiscuity and birth control (for their own use/purpose), they are ready to promote false information.
 
So if condoms do not prevent AIDS, then most people will have sex without the rubber (I mean why bother with that fun killer if it is useless) causing more unwanted pregnancies and birth and even more diseases.
 
This spreading of false info is criminal behaviour.
 
I understand their aim is to promote abstinance (which is a very valid option everyone should have the option of considering or applying) , but this is bloody stupid public relations, undermining even more their credibility.  >> this is the exact result they got from all parties involved including other Christian movement.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:07
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Yes, I would becuase some men hate using condoms and they don't always carry them. I don't want to force morality on my daughter either, and even If I do that's no garuntee to prevent her from having sex.
 
It's irresponsible to have sex without condoms. You never know what you might catch or transmit.
Exactly. That's why you should make your son uses one!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:05
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Yes, I would becuase some men hate using condoms and they don't always carry them. I don't want to force morality on my daughter either, and even If I do that's no garuntee to prevent her from having sex.
 
It's irresponsible to have sex without condoms. You never know what you might catch or transmit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:04
    When I was young, and a bit wild, I was very sexually active. I had the talks with my parents, and while they didn't say I had to married, they did encourage me to wait until it was with someone I loved. But, I was young, and was going to do what I wanted to.

Contraception was a huge priority for many reasons. Birth control was at the top of the list, until the advent of AIDS. By practicing "safe sex" no diseases were transferred (at least not to me), and no one got pregnant.

I have a different view now. Although I still don't think marriage is neccessary, I do believe that two people should be absolutely sure that it is the right thing to do. There are many emotions involved, and it is very easy for someone to get hurt. For this reason, I have been celibate for almost four years. I do not wish to cause any harm. That includes myself. When I meet someone, and I am sure it is the right thing to do, this period will be over.

It is almost impossible to make someone adhere to your philosophy, if they really want to go the other direction. For that reason, I think it is irresponsible to deny contraception to a young person. Just because you don't want them to have sex, doesn't mean they aren't going to. It is important to encourage them to at least be safe about it.
     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 11:00
Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

Hey Bob... Long time no see bro!
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Would you do the same thing for your daughter?(if you had one)I mean, would you let her have pills or something ?@ Wizzie
Yes, I would becuase some men hate using condoms and they don't always carry them. I don't want to force morality on my daughter either, and even If I do that's no garuntee to prevent her from having sex.
 
My parents never give me condoms, so if I'm ever in the situation where I would need one I would hope my female partner has the pill.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:52
Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

Hey Bob... Long time no see bro!
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 I've been back for a few weeks now. I guess I've just been keeping a low profile. Thanks for the nice words anyway. Smile
 
 
Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

Would you do the same thing for your daughter?(if you had one)I mean, would you let her have pills or something ?@ Wizzie
 
I can answer that! You can advise the kids but in the end it's up to them if they want to have sex or not. If they are going to have sex then it's better that they take precautions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:51
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Teens need to be educated about their options instead of being scared into not having sex. Agreed  The fact is, they know about sex, they're going to do it.The problem is, where or from whom did they learn about it.  It's been this way since time immemorial.  It even happens to kids brought up with the most Christian and conservative of values. Agreed  Withholding contraceptives, birth control, and education about how to have sex safely and respectfully can only damage them.  I wouldn't want my kids entering adulthood thinking sex is something dirty and evil or something to be feared. Hell Yeah! LOL They're more likely to have dangerous unprotected sex if they are not educated and prepared, instead of doing it safely with someone they love. Agreed


also.... I won't even touch your comment on same-sex issues.... for now Confused A different topicBig smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:46
Hey Bob... Long time no see bro!
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Would you do the same thing for your daughter?(if you had one)I mean, would you let her have pills or something ?@ Wizzie

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:43
Teens need to be educated about their options instead of being scared into not having sex.  The fact is, they know about sex, they're going to do it.  It's been this way since time immemorial.  It even happens to kids brought up with the most Christian and conservative of values.  Withholding contraceptives, birth control, and education about how to have sex safely and respectfully can only damage them.  I wouldn't want my kids entering adulthood thinking sex is something dirty and evil or something to be feared.  They're more likely to have dangerous unprotected sex if they are not educated and prepared, instead of doing it safely with someone they love.


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