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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2006 at 22:42
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Peter Greenaway would be in the poll if it was possible. Same as with ca. 30 other worthy directors not included.


Anyway, I vote for Peter Greenaway Wink Clap

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2006 at 23:12
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His trademark was the "pompous overdose of scenographic beauty" as you put it. Ha-ha. So its actually his trademark. But the cinematographic 'beauty' in Flying Daggers has been overused in a lot of big budget  'poethic' action movies the last couple of years, its become a cliche. With no contrasting uglyness, it doesn't affect me. Everything is so obviously, unsubtly beautiful. I'll give his early films a chance someday soon. 

As for Wong Kar-Wai, it's not a film I'd recommend to most, but have you seen 2046?  It's a quasi-sequel (more that it's related to) to In the Mood For Love.  Ashes of Time might be one to watch for for those who enjoy swordplay -- haven't seen it myself yet. Haven't seen 2046 yet. Its one of the films both my girlfriend and I want to see, we will very soon.



Oh, a couple of other prominent Canadian directors to mention are Atom Egoyan and Denys Arcand.
Also seen and liked most of Atom Egoyan's films.

Too many great directors from around the world as you recognise -- it rather deserves to be split up by country.  Was Satyagit Ray mentioned etc. etc.?


I think its nice to have a poll as a start, even if its incomplete. People can point out who they think are missing, so they'll get included that way. If someone writes: Can't believe Eisenstein or Greenaway etc..are not in the poll, its probably just as good recognition as the ones that are included.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2006 at 23:32
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I love Wong Kar-Wai movies... I must admit that his most commercial hit, in The Mood For Love was my favourite.  I almost mentioned him, I was really absorbed by this director a year or so ago when I was anticipating 2046.  I couldn't wait for it it to hit the cinemas here (took a long time for its North American release), and so bought a Hong Kong DVD of it instead.

I think it was the flimscore that really appealed to me -- it just worked so well with the images.  Must buy some Shigeru Umebayashi music (and Peer Raben and Michael Galasso).

A few more directors I like that haven't been mentioned are Peter Greenaway,  Lindsay Anderson, Chen Kaige, Bigas Luna, Agnieszka Holland, Juzo Itami, and Volker Schlondorff. And well, I could think of lots.

A couple classic directors that really deserves nods are Fritz Lang and Robert Weine.  Especially Lang for Metropolis I think.

 

Lang's best movie is "M - Eine Stadt sucht einen Mörder" ("M - A City Looking for a Murderer") with a fantastic Peter Lorre.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2006 at 23:34
taking the obmission of Sam Peckinpah rather hard hahah...


voted other of course...

The Wild Bunch...the first and  final 15 minutes.... a cinematic classic for all time.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2006 at 23:58
Rocktopus: nothing at all wrong with the way you set it up.  It's a very good starting point.  Perhaps later this will lead to 'best director' polls organised by region, period, and by style/genre.  Could be the thin end of the edge though, this might end up becoming a progressive cinema site.  I must admit that I rarely watch films anymore.  I was so immersed in it at one time that I guess I burnt-out.


BaldFriede: I agree, excellent film, but being a bit of a sci-fi buff I've always had a thing for Metropolis.  Rather than reiterating why I consider it to be such a significant film (though not necessarily the best of his), here's a too-sleight post I once wrote about the film at a sci-fi site I used to post at quite a bit (click.) 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 00:10
    Kubrick, then Hitchcock, and Terry Gilliam. Kubrick's vision was just incredible. His films are just stunning, infinitely thought provoking, and very entertaining. Most people know his work from "Spartacus" on, but have you ever seen "Paths of Glory"? It's well worth checking out, and shows that he was always a visionary.

By the way, My favorite film is "Dr. Strangelove."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 12:33
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:



I sure thought Fassbinder would have atleast one certain vote, Fassbinder. Tarkovsky's Andrej Rubljov is in my own top ten. He is just as fantastic and important as Bergman.

 
I think R. W. Fassbinder is worth some votes, but surely not mine.
 
From Tarkovsky: besides "Andrej Rubljov" I highly recommend "Solaris" and "Stalker".
 
But I'm more a liker of certain films rather than directors. That's why Jarmush, for example, hasn't received my vote.
 
And, there are many directors in the list (and not only) I must acquaint myself with.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 12:41
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

 
From Tarkovsky: besides "Andrej Rubljov" I highly recommend "Solaris" and "Stalker".
 
But I'm more a liker of certain films rather than directors. That's why Jarmush, for example, hasn't received my vote.
 


Stalker is another favorite of mine. I'm also more a liker of films rather than directors. Its just that some directors has more great films than others.

Do you mean that Jarmush is more a stylistic director with a strong signature than others? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 12:50
Rocktopus:
 
Re Ridley Scott: "forgettable films?!"  Hmmm....
 
The Duellists
Alien
Blade Runner
Legend
Someone to Watch Over Me
Black Rain
Thelma & Louise
1492
White Squall
G.I. Jane
Gladiator
Hannibal
Black Hawk Down
Matchstick Men
Kingdom of Heaven
 
Of these, only White Squall and G.I. Jane are questionable.
 
Peter Weir:
 
The Cars That Ate Paris
Picnic at Hanging Rock
The Last Wave
Gallipoli
The Year of Living Dangerously
Witness
The Mosquito Coast
Dead Poet's Society
Green Card
Fearless
The Truman Show
Master & Commander
 
Of these, only Green Card is questionable.
 
In any event, by any measure, the number of good, and even great, films by these two far outweigh their "bad" ones.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 13:07
I'm not saying that Kingdom of Heaven, Black Rain, 1492, Matchstick Men, Hannibal, White Squall, GI Jane, Master and Commander, Fearless, Green Card etc... all stink (although I think some of them do). The best of these are still just very good and solid Hollywood craftmanship.  Is Kingdom of Heaven unforgettable just because it doesn't suck?

The same goes for the good Gladiator, Dead Poets Society, Thelma & Louise. None of these are masterpieces, or great art imo. What directors would you take out of the poll instead?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 13:19
of Fassbinder I especially like "Welt am Draht" ("World on Wire"), a tv-movie he made for WDR, a German tv-station. there is a problem with the rights about that movie, and at the moment it can't be shown at all, not even on tv, but we have a video of it. sometimes it pays to have a relative that is working for a tv-station Tongue.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 13:22
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:



Do you mean that Jarmush is more a stylistic director with a strong signature than others? 
 
No. I meant that if my vote was based on films Jarmush could have a chance to get my vote because of "Dead Man". But in order to say that Jarmush is my favourite director I should be acquainted with, at least, some of his films besides "Dead Man", whereas I only saw some frames from a couple of other his films, which didn't impress me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 13:27
OK, I understand. I find Jarmusch to be always interesting, but very uneven. Dead Man is great. Maybe you would enjoy Ghost Dog.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 13:45
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

I find Jarmusch to be always interesting, but very uneven. Dead Man is great. Maybe you would enjoy Ghost Dog.   
 
Hopefully. As I said, I must go dipper in Jarmush (and other directors) filmography.
 
In a certain day back in 1996 everyone I know prepared to watch Q. Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction" TV-premiere; so did I. When waiting, I went from channel to channel and by chance saw the introduction to "Dead Man"; I was intrigued. I began to watch "Dead Man" and was caught, totally -- I realised where I am two hours later, when the film was over.
Some months after that I saw "Pulp Fiction"; I never regretted that time I preferred "Dead Man".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 13:55
I liked Jarmusch's Mystery Train, Night on Earth, and Down by Law very much.  Whilst I have problems with auteur theory (since I see film as a collaborative medium), the great directors are, generally, seen to have distinctive styles that are reflected in their ouvres.  Jarmusch has that.  I think its his films' humour that appeals to me most.

As for Ridley Scott, i wouldn't say that he has forgettable films, but I don't think him great.  He lacks subtlety, and there seems to me to be is a distinct lack of intellectual rigour that goes into his filmmaking (look at them ideologically).   Gladiator?  Didn't like it.  Titus that came out about the same time was far more interesting, I thought, although it was flawed.  Black Hawk Down was, ultimately, a pretty disappointing action-movie for me.  I'd hoped he'd offer a more blanced portrait of the situation (and delve into more of the history).  But he had his goals.  He's good at spectacle, but I don't think he's good at anlaysis.  I expect a little more from film.

I'd rather see his brother Tony Scott here, to be honest.

Since Lucas' Star Wars was mentioned: I'm no fan.  It's too simplistic philosophically, the characters are not well drawn out... While I would classify it more as fantasy than SF, I associate it with the prog movement. When it came out prog was dying -- too many people wanted wanted fast-food/ jumk-food rather than a hearty meal full of intriguing ideas -- this blockbuster helped kill, or just maim really, what I see as the best SF era.  Meaning films that had profound ideas, questioned our world and where we were going.  Vapid.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 14:17
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Rocktopus:
 
Re Ridley Scott: "forgettable films?!"  Hmmm....
 
The Duellists
Alien
Blade Runner
Legend
Someone to Watch Over Me
Black Rain
Thelma & Louise
1492
White Squall
G.I. Jane
Gladiator
Hannibal
Black Hawk Down
Matchstick Men
Kingdom of Heaven
 
 
 
Ridley Scott makes amazing films.  Blackhawk Down and Matchstick Men are the only two I didn't really care for.  Kingdom of Heave, Gladiator, Blade Runner, and Aliens were art!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2006 at 14:27
Rocktopus:
 
Oy!  Apparently we are in the same situation that we have with prog: what, exactly, is a "masterpiece?"  Indeed, what exactly is "poor," "fair," "good" or "great?"  Your "very good and solid" might be my "masterpiece."  Who is to judge?
 
When determining the greatness of a director (or, indeed, a prog group), for me it still comes down to three things: innovation, influence and the excellence of the overall body of work.  I am not suggesting that Scott or Weir were wildly innovative (though each has a film or two that is, Alien and Blade Runner for Scott, Picnic and Last Wave for Weir), nor am I suggesting that either was particularly influential (though Alien is unquestionably among the most influential sci-fi films of all time).
 
Rather, I am looking at the excellence of their bodies of work.  And to my mind, that excellence far exceeds that of some of the directors you mention.  Indeed, Spielberg, Lucas, Gilliam, Burton and Jackson all have more "journeyman" films than Scott or Weir - and certainly more as a percentage of their total output.
 
I might add (at the risk of having DVDs thrown at me from all directions) that both Coppola and Kubrick are vastly overrated.  Coppola's entire "name" is based on The Godfather, The Conversation, The Godfather: Part II and Apocalypse Now.  [N.B. I also consider Tucker: A Man and His Dream as one of Coppola's best films.]  And while there is no question that these four films alone are worthy of excessive praise and admiration, Coppola had far more "misses" than "hits."
 
Similarly with Kubrick, his "name" is based largely on Dr. Strangelove, 2001: A Space Odyssey, A Clockwork Orange and The Shining.  Setting aside that The Shining is perhaps the most overrated film in history (I personally consider it weak in almost every regard, and among Kubrick's worst), Kubrick also had as many "misses" as "hits" - although some of his misses (Paths of Glory, Spartacus, Full Metal Jacket) were admittedly better than Coppola's, Spielberg's, etc.
 
It may be that even Scott's and Weir's greatest films (to my mind, Blade Runner, Alien, Black Rain and Gladiator, and Picnic at Hanging Rock, The Year of Living Dangerously, Witness and The Truman Show) do not "measure up" to The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, Dr. Strangelove, 2001: A Space Odyssey et al.  However, to dismiss Scott and Weir as you do is short-sighted.
 
Ultimately, however, the problem remains the subjectivity of the topic: one man's meat is another man's poison, and one man's "good" is another man's "masterpiece."
 
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Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

 
It may be that even Scott's and Weir's greatest films (to my mind, Blade Runner, Alien, Black Rain and Gladiator, and Picnic at Hanging Rock, The Year of Living Dangerously, Witness and The Truman Show) do not "measure up" to The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, Dr. Strangelove, 2001: A Space Odyssey et al.  However, to dismiss Scott and Weir as you do is short-sighted.
 
Ultimately, however, the problem remains the subjectivity of the topic: one man's meat is another man's poison, and one man's "good" is another man's "masterpiece."
 
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Well Maani. I've rarely seen a reviewer or heard anyone calling any of the films I listed, a masterpiece. I don't believe everything is all subective. On the other hand I've seen and heard many times Blade Runner, Alien, Picnic at Hanging Rock, The Truman Show being (rightfully) praised as such. I have seen the tree (solid) films I listed separatly being called masterpieces when they were new, by shortsited rewievers.

I'm not at all dismissing them as directors, why do you say that? I listed the films I've seen they have I rate from just good (Fearless...) or bad (Hannibal...). Among them only two titles by Peter Weir. And if Hannibal and 1492 aren't also questionable films, I don't know what is.

I rate them more or less as equals to the ones you mentioned (except Terry Gilliam whom I rate higher). Fritz Lang, Charlie Chaplin, Jean Cocteau etc.. maybe leaving them out they is inexcusable. A list of 24 top names is not much, I don't think many people who has seen many films from directors of all nationalities would rate Weir or Scott among them. I'm not saying I haven't put any questionable names in the poll myself.

BTW: I think The Shining is Kubricks best, and one of the best horror movies made. The solid Spartacus and Paths of Gory are both from before he started making his string of classics that also includes Barry Lyndon imo. Full Metal Jacket is not among them, but also good and surely better than say Matchstick Men?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2006 at 09:20
Quentin Tarantino anyone? What about Martin Scorsese.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2006 at 10:38
Strange list indeed, Lucas next to Fellini...

My favourite directors are

Stanley Kubrick
Pier Paolo Pasolini
Quentin Tarantino
Martin Scorsese
Federico Fellini
Francis Ford Coppola
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