Is the Middle East going to war? |
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marktheshark
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 24 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1695 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 17:05 | |||
We're all behind you avestin. You mentioned about shaking with fear, wrong! There's a big difference between being scared and being in fear. Scared is fine, triggers the defense mechanism in your head and keeps you on your toes. Any normal person has these instincts. The best soldiers were ones that were the most scared. Fear on the other hand is a mental breakdown, makes you depressed and slows you down. And you don't want that! So don't give into fear, just be scared if you know what I mean. Hell, you're smart, you're a progger and you'll make it. Just keep your wits about you. |
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avestin
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 16:45 | |||
^^^
I sure will. Thanks guys. |
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Syzygy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 16:12 | |||
If it comes to it - and I sincerely hope it doesn't - make sure you take Mark's advice, and keep in touch if you can.
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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avestin
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 16:06 | |||
I don't know yet. We have been told to be prepared at any minute. It's up to the warmongeres now. This is such a stupid contest of who has the biggest ____. One shoots rockets here and the other bombards their airports and bridges. |
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marktheshark
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 24 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1695 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 15:42 | |||
Yeah well, you take care of yourself and don't do anything stupid. And keep us posted if possible. When are you leaving? |
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avestin
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 15:10 | |||
I feel the same as you Mark.
Although I will sure lose my cynicism and sarcasm when I will arrive there and start shaking with fear... |
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marktheshark
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 24 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1695 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 14:51 | |||
I can just picture some advanced aliens sitting in their spaceship eating popcorn watching the big view screen and going "Hey guys, we got more slapstick coming. Looks like those nutty Middle Easteners are at it again. Boy, they just can't get along. Ralph and Alice Kramden got along better than this! We've been monitoring this planet for 2000 years and it's always the same ole, same ole with this place."
Sorry, this crap just brings out the cynical shark in me! |
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avestin
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 13:48 | |||
I knonw what you mean.
Here we say "oh well, I guess I'll be called to my unit and get killed by guerilla warriors in the middle of land not my own..."
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 13:04 | |||
I don't often pipe in on political threads, but this is just terrible. I always hate it when a war starts anywhere, and this seems so needless. But of course, it's in the middle east, so Americans don't have to care about it. The most I've heard anyone say about it today is "Oh well, I guess gas prices will go up again."
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dralan
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 339 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 12:47 | |||
Yea since this thread was originally posted it has now officially escalated into a war. I cant wait to see what the U.S. does, now that we have our hands full alll over the world and our troops are spread too thin as it is. Anyway if we are going to back Israel as we have commited ourselves years ago, why are we now content to sit back and say "Israel has a right to defend itself" while we are over in Iraq starting a civil war?
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Zadok
Forum Groupie Joined: July 04 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 80 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 12:34 | |||
Things are looking very serious indeed. I'm not sure that it was premeditated, but it does seem rather overdramatic on Israel's part...
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 10:22 | |||
I'm sorry Blacksword, Lebanon is responsible for this, just like witht he Palestinians, Hizbullah is a political party represented in their parliament. They can't say, "it's Hizbullah, not us"
Fairly inconsequential rocket attacks, Blacksword?:
Israel doesn't have that martyr mentality so even two deaths are mourned.
I am really worried about this situation. I didn't see Lebanon in this picture at all.
Well to answer my own question, looks like a real war, not just border flare-ups. The ball is now in Syria's court, they may have to get involved for political reasons.
Blacksword, I don't think this was premeditated on Israel's part. The Israeli Governments official policy was disengagement from the West Bank (90% withdrawal), that is what the PM campaigned on, withdrawal. That plan is dead now because of the situation, and hes not happy about it. Edited by NetsNJFan - July 13 2006 at 10:35 |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 03:46 | |||
Yes. Condie Rice has been very vocal about it. Last thing I heard she said was 'What war?' The US has quiety urged restraint on both sides, but thats about it really. Condie is tied up with bringing Iran back to the UNSC, and the rest of the Bush admin is in despair over North Korea; apperently the NK/China talks have broken down, and the SK/NK talks are about to break down. What a great week it's been. You would expect the US to be trying its hardest to broker peace in the ME. I can only conclude there is a strategic reason they're not doing so. I may be wrong, but I believe that the current Israeli action would have been in the planning for along time, and is nothing to do with kidnapped soldiers and home made rockets. I believe this may be the back door route to dealing with Iran and/or Syria, both of whom back Hezbollah. It would not take much to pull either nation into the conflict. Israel may be trying to create a scenario where an attack on Iran maybe justified. The US maybe taking a back seat, if this is the case, as another US led conflict in the ME would not go down well with US media or voters. ..and now Israel have imposed an air and sea blockade of Lebanon. All this for a few captured soildiers? I dont think so. This was not the approach taken in the past, when they negotiated the release of one hostage and the remains of three soldiers from Hezbollah, in return for the release of Arab prisoners. Why would Israel risk taking the entire region to the brink over three hostages, and some fairly inconseqeuntial attacks from home made rockets? A bridge too far?...and an airport... Edited by Blacksword - July 13 2006 at 05:26 |
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 00:33 | |||
Has the US government even said aything at all on this damn war!?
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 00:18 | |||
I found this interesting: Mideast envoys have war of words in U.N. hallwayIsraeli: 'You're paying the price'; Palestinian: 'Leave us alone'
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
Posted: July 13 2006 at 00:13 | |||
Update from jpost.com:
IAF bombs Beirut International Airport
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 12:29 | |||
Right now I am at the mercy of those generals and leaders that sit behind their desks and shout Forward. And you know what happens to the Front Rank now...
Thanks for your words of sympathy, fellas. |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: July 12 2006 at 12:29 | |||
Well, their actions are pretty OTT, Nets, but I would agree that Annan's condemnation is far from balanced. So far, he has just said the 'soldiers should be released' I'm sure Hamas will listen to him and do as they're told.. I dont think... In answer to your original question in this thread; Yes, it looks like the ME is going to war. Big time. Bad times. |
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
Posted: July 12 2006 at 12:05 | |||
God I hate Kofi Annan. Like usuall, he's made himself the first to "condemn Israel's actions without reservation."
Gimme a break.
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:32 | |||
I hope you're wrong too. I'm very sorry you're having to go through this. |
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