Is the Middle East going to war? |
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 08:24 | |||
Are you in Israel, avestin?? |
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edible_buddha
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 08:49 | |||
Agree with forgotten son.
I feel that Spacecraft should do some research into just how many ppl are killed and injured in both sides of the conflict (not just currently, but also since the inception of israel, and especially since the '2nd intafada'). Also to find out just how much money is being funded to both sides. Then there is the effect on livelihoods of the civilians there (yes there are palastinian civilians too).
The 'oh my god israel is being driven into the sea' arguement is not holding water, we are talking about a 'state' that has already been driven there.
Also, I hear more about the deaths of isralies by palastinians that vise versa (in spite of actual casualty statistics), so, many eyes are blinked indeed.
I just love how countries like USA and Israel, who have been wanting the world to be democratic, react to a country whose ppl uses democracy to vote in a party they dont like..... Theres got to be a reason palestinians voted the way they did... has anybody asked them?
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:04 | |||
Yes. And my wife and I are going to leave it on August 6th to the USA for PhD studies. Now I am afraid I will not have the chance to do it, since I will be called to my unit. I feel terrible. This is very depressing. I thought I was used to getting my life being manipulated and disturved by all these outside intrusions in the appearance of the Arab-Israeli conflict, but this is really frightening. I honestly don't know what to do. |
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Jimbo
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:21 | |||
That's terrible, Assaf. Is there any chance at all that you wouldn't be called to your unit? |
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:25 | |||
^^^
Chances are little as I see it. For the time being, only officers have been called so that they will be told what to expect. Then after receving their orders, the rest of the commanding force (which I am part of in my unit) and the rest of the soldiers will be called as well. Honestly, I fear the worst. I hope I am wrong. |
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Jimbo
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:48 | |||
^^ Wow...That's seriously depressing .... I can't imagine what you're going through right now.
I guess the only thing we can do at this point is hope that the situation will end quickly and peacefully. |
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Bob Greece
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:10 | |||
I hope you're wrong too.
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:15 | |||
Avestin, I wish you the best of luck; If I were religous I'd be praying for you and your unit.
I am very surprised that Olmert attacked Lebanon and not the Syrians. To be fair, Lebanon itself is terrified of Hizbullah, which controls southern Lebanon, not the Lebanese Army. Hizbullah acts in effect as a Syrian/Iranian force in Lebanon, doing there dirty work. Damascus is the onewho is declaring war, not Beirut. The last thing Israel needs is another Vietnam, which Lebanon was for 18 years.
On a personal note, I don't want to hear any criticism about Israel's response from the French or Scandinavian governments. Olmert is correct, this is an act of war, from Lebanon/Syria, and no other country would take it.
From Jpost.com
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:30 | |||
Interestingly, it seems the kidnapped soldiers aren't even Zionists (Jews), they are Druze border patrols. Nice job, Hizbullah.
On a seperate note, the Druze are actually the coolest people ever.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:32 | |||
I hope you're wrong too. I'm very sorry you're having to go through this. |
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 12:05 | |||
God I hate Kofi Annan. Like usuall, he's made himself the first to "condemn Israel's actions without reservation."
Gimme a break.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 12:29 | |||
Well, their actions are pretty OTT, Nets, but I would agree that Annan's condemnation is far from balanced. So far, he has just said the 'soldiers should be released' I'm sure Hamas will listen to him and do as they're told.. I dont think... In answer to your original question in this thread; Yes, it looks like the ME is going to war. Big time. Bad times. |
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 12:29 | |||
Right now I am at the mercy of those generals and leaders that sit behind their desks and shout Forward. And you know what happens to the Front Rank now...
Thanks for your words of sympathy, fellas. |
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 00:13 | |||
Update from jpost.com:
IAF bombs Beirut International Airport
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 00:18 | |||
I found this interesting: Mideast envoys have war of words in U.N. hallwayIsraeli: 'You're paying the price'; Palestinian: 'Leave us alone'
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 00:33 | |||
Has the US government even said aything at all on this damn war!?
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 03:46 | |||
Yes. Condie Rice has been very vocal about it. Last thing I heard she said was 'What war?' The US has quiety urged restraint on both sides, but thats about it really. Condie is tied up with bringing Iran back to the UNSC, and the rest of the Bush admin is in despair over North Korea; apperently the NK/China talks have broken down, and the SK/NK talks are about to break down. What a great week it's been. You would expect the US to be trying its hardest to broker peace in the ME. I can only conclude there is a strategic reason they're not doing so. I may be wrong, but I believe that the current Israeli action would have been in the planning for along time, and is nothing to do with kidnapped soldiers and home made rockets. I believe this may be the back door route to dealing with Iran and/or Syria, both of whom back Hezbollah. It would not take much to pull either nation into the conflict. Israel may be trying to create a scenario where an attack on Iran maybe justified. The US maybe taking a back seat, if this is the case, as another US led conflict in the ME would not go down well with US media or voters. ..and now Israel have imposed an air and sea blockade of Lebanon. All this for a few captured soildiers? I dont think so. This was not the approach taken in the past, when they negotiated the release of one hostage and the remains of three soldiers from Hezbollah, in return for the release of Arab prisoners. Why would Israel risk taking the entire region to the brink over three hostages, and some fairly inconseqeuntial attacks from home made rockets? A bridge too far?...and an airport... Edited by Blacksword - July 13 2006 at 05:26 |
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 10:22 | |||
I'm sorry Blacksword, Lebanon is responsible for this, just like witht he Palestinians, Hizbullah is a political party represented in their parliament. They can't say, "it's Hizbullah, not us"
Fairly inconsequential rocket attacks, Blacksword?:
Israel doesn't have that martyr mentality so even two deaths are mourned.
I am really worried about this situation. I didn't see Lebanon in this picture at all.
Well to answer my own question, looks like a real war, not just border flare-ups. The ball is now in Syria's court, they may have to get involved for political reasons.
Blacksword, I don't think this was premeditated on Israel's part. The Israeli Governments official policy was disengagement from the West Bank (90% withdrawal), that is what the PM campaigned on, withdrawal. That plan is dead now because of the situation, and hes not happy about it. Edited by NetsNJFan - July 13 2006 at 10:35 |
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Zadok
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 12:34 | |||
Things are looking very serious indeed. I'm not sure that it was premeditated, but it does seem rather overdramatic on Israel's part...
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dralan
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 12:47 | |||
Yea since this thread was originally posted it has now officially escalated into a war. I cant wait to see what the U.S. does, now that we have our hands full alll over the world and our troops are spread too thin as it is. Anyway if we are going to back Israel as we have commited ourselves years ago, why are we now content to sit back and say "Israel has a right to defend itself" while we are over in Iraq starting a civil war?
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