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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:30 | |||||||||||||||||||
Interestingly, it seems the kidnapped soldiers aren't even Zionists (Jews), they are Druze border patrols. Nice job, Hizbullah.
On a seperate note, the Druze are actually the coolest people ever.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:15 | |||||||||||||||||||
Avestin, I wish you the best of luck; If I were religous I'd be praying for you and your unit.
I am very surprised that Olmert attacked Lebanon and not the Syrians. To be fair, Lebanon itself is terrified of Hizbullah, which controls southern Lebanon, not the Lebanese Army. Hizbullah acts in effect as a Syrian/Iranian force in Lebanon, doing there dirty work. Damascus is the onewho is declaring war, not Beirut. The last thing Israel needs is another Vietnam, which Lebanon was for 18 years.
On a personal note, I don't want to hear any criticism about Israel's response from the French or Scandinavian governments. Olmert is correct, this is an act of war, from Lebanon/Syria, and no other country would take it.
From Jpost.com
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Bob Greece
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:10 | |||||||||||||||||||
I hope you're wrong too.
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Jimbo
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:48 | |||||||||||||||||||
^^ Wow...That's seriously depressing .... I can't imagine what you're going through right now.
I guess the only thing we can do at this point is hope that the situation will end quickly and peacefully. |
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:25 | |||||||||||||||||||
^^^
Chances are little as I see it. For the time being, only officers have been called so that they will be told what to expect. Then after receving their orders, the rest of the commanding force (which I am part of in my unit) and the rest of the soldiers will be called as well. Honestly, I fear the worst. I hope I am wrong. |
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Jimbo
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:21 | |||||||||||||||||||
That's terrible, Assaf. Is there any chance at all that you wouldn't be called to your unit? |
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 10:04 | |||||||||||||||||||
Yes. And my wife and I are going to leave it on August 6th to the USA for PhD studies. Now I am afraid I will not have the chance to do it, since I will be called to my unit. I feel terrible. This is very depressing. I thought I was used to getting my life being manipulated and disturved by all these outside intrusions in the appearance of the Arab-Israeli conflict, but this is really frightening. I honestly don't know what to do. |
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edible_buddha
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 08:49 | |||||||||||||||||||
Agree with forgotten son.
I feel that Spacecraft should do some research into just how many ppl are killed and injured in both sides of the conflict (not just currently, but also since the inception of israel, and especially since the '2nd intafada'). Also to find out just how much money is being funded to both sides. Then there is the effect on livelihoods of the civilians there (yes there are palastinian civilians too).
The 'oh my god israel is being driven into the sea' arguement is not holding water, we are talking about a 'state' that has already been driven there.
Also, I hear more about the deaths of isralies by palastinians that vise versa (in spite of actual casualty statistics), so, many eyes are blinked indeed.
I just love how countries like USA and Israel, who have been wanting the world to be democratic, react to a country whose ppl uses democracy to vote in a party they dont like..... Theres got to be a reason palestinians voted the way they did... has anybody asked them?
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 08:24 | |||||||||||||||||||
Are you in Israel, avestin?? |
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 07:59 | |||||||||||||||||||
This is looking very bad. Some of my friends have been called to their reserve units to replace the regular army units so they can be available for whatever is to come.
I am waiting to be called as well, probably.
This is the time of the warmongerers
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 05:18 | |||||||||||||||||||
Two Israeli troops captured by Hezbollah, on the Lebanese border..
Breaking News (BBC) Edited by Blacksword - July 12 2006 at 05:18 |
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Chicapah
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:48 | |||||||||||||||||||
I suppose everyone on this forum should consider you now to be a better source of definitions than Wikipedia. I am humbled.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 15:40 | |||||||||||||||||||
^ Interesting read, Nets. Lets hope Aluf Benn is correct in his appraisal of the situation. Lets hope that the assumed rational nature of Bashar Assad prevents Syria from rising to the bait that Israel is putting out.
In reality, Syria will not cease supporting Hamas. Assad will no doubt be aware of Israels intentions to 'irritate' him. Lets hope that his irritation does not turn into rage. Israel are playing a dangerous game here. If they have so far failed to subdue Syrias support for Hamas, there's little reason why Israels scare tactics should succeed now. Israel may be gesturing more than anything else, in their fly pasts over Assads palace, but what are the actual consequences of this tactic back firing. Syria could indeed attack srael, inviiting death on themselves, but either way Israel hold all the aces. It may mean sacrificing a few thousand Israelis in Tel Aviv, but the end result would be the demise of a major enemy, and supplier of Hamas. A worthwhile sacrifice? It's a sickening thought, but are we making too many assumptions about both sides? Is Aluf Benn merely trying to alay Israeli civilian fears of an attack from Syria, in his editorial? A downplaying of the situation. Maybe he's right, but I for one dont really trust Assad, and I have difficulty with Olmerts agenda too, I'm afraid. Lets hope sense and peace prevail. |
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 13:16 | |||||||||||||||||||
^ It looks like we are in for a second Operation Defensive Shield. So much for "convergence" from the West Bank.
I thought the original incursion was appropriate, but I think the situation is spinning out of control.
Blacksword, I thought you might find this editorial interesting, from Haaretz:
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 10:52 | |||||||||||||||||||
Well, this seems to be going very well. If Israel keeps up this pressure it should all be over in no time. The kidknapped soldier is bound to be released, and the Palestianians will see the error of their ways. Perhaps after that the Middle East can live happily ever after..
I dont think.. 8 down, a few hundred thousand to go... Edited by Blacksword - July 06 2006 at 10:53 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 03:25 | |||||||||||||||||||
^ That represents a potentially more serious escalation of the crisis than the rocket attack on Ashkelon in recent days.
BBC Report With both sides baiting each other like this, it's obvious they are trying to escalate this conflict beyond control, at this specific point in time. The abduction of Gilad Shalit and the rocket attacks, warrent response from Israel, but not the major conflageration they appear to be trying to bring about. Edited by Blacksword - July 05 2006 at 03:26 |
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 00:33 | |||||||||||||||||||
Update from Jpost.com:
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 03 2006 at 03:23 | |||||||||||||||||||
Update:
Palestinian militants have given Israel until Tuesday to release Palestinian prisoners or 'face the consequences' whatever that means. A degree of sabre rattling, I'm sure. BBC Report Edited by Blacksword - July 03 2006 at 03:23 |
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 02 2006 at 17:23 | |||||||||||||||||||
^ Good points Blacksword. English media isn't mentioning this, I'm shocked. The Syrian flyovers were talked about extensively on Fox News, and less so on CNN.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 02 2006 at 17:19 | |||||||||||||||||||
I know this not hot off the press, but this is serious and the BBC and ITN have not even mentioned it on TV. You had to go out of your way to find the news on their websites. It's as if they are under instruction to play down the potential seriousness of the situation. Syria may not have fired on the jets...but they may have. Who knows. They are within their rights to do so, and their armed forces are quite formidable, certainly more so than Iraqs ever were. It seems that Israel may be deliberatly baiting them to pull them into the conflict. |
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