| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
King of Loss 
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16473
|
 Topic: Italian Scandal
Posted: June 26 2006 at 19:35 |
|
It has happened years before in 1981 when AC Milan was relegated for the similar reasons. Do you think Juventus, AC Milan, Fiorentina, etc. will be relegated from Serie A?
|
 |
Gog/Magog
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 03 2005
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 398
|
Posted: June 26 2006 at 19:37 |
|
I think they should be relegated to Serie Z myself, the Italians sure love a scandal
|
Some swear they see me weeping in the poppy fields of France 
|
|
Raff
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: July 29 2005
Location: None
Status: Offline
Points: 24429
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 03:52 |
This one doesn't, I can tell you... And I'd be grateful if people could avoid such generalisations. I happen to agree with you on the fact that they should be relegated to Serie Z, or even expelled forever from any competition (which, of course, will never happen) - but I really take exception to anyone implying that EVERY Italian is dishonest or wallows in scandal and such. 
|
|
Logos
Prog Reviewer
Joined: March 08 2005
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 2383
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 04:21 |
|
These teams obviously deserve it, let's forget about the money and power these teams have for once and do what is right.
|
|
Raff
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: July 29 2005
Location: None
Status: Offline
Points: 24429
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 06:26 |
|
Of course they do! Most people in Italy would agree that they deserve relegation and even more. Remember that I often wrote here that Italy should have withdrawn from the Cup. What I resent are implications that all Italians are dishonest - many are, but many (including yours truly) are not.
|
|
imoeng
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 03 2006
Location: Indonesia
Status: Offline
Points: 2450
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 07:12 |
|
anyone wants to explain to me?? i wasnt born yet..
|
|
|
|
Padraic
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 08:12 |
|
Yes, could someone post a full explanation for the ignorant (read: Americans)?
|
|
Logos
Prog Reviewer
Joined: March 08 2005
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 2383
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 08:25 |
 Ghost Rider wrote:
Of course they do! Most people in Italy would agree that they deserve relegation and even more. Remember that I often wrote here that Italy should have withdrawn from the Cup. What I resent are implications that all Italians are dishonest - many are, but many (including yours truly) are not.
|
I didn't want to imply in any way that Italians in general are dishonest - quite the opposite it seems! The will to root out these criminals is very respectable.
|
|
TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
Status: Offline
Points: 27802
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 11:57 |
I have no idea what you all are talking about. 
|
|
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16473
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 13:12 |
I doubt that they would get as much punishment as relegation to Serie B and perhaps a large fine, but like AC Milan, these money-filled clubs will always win in the end.
I don't even think any clubs other than Juventus will be relegated, these clubs might just get points taken off their total and excluded from Champions League for a year.
|
|
Atkingani
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: October 21 2005
Location: Terra Brasilis
Status: Offline
Points: 12288
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 14:02 |
A football (soccer) scandal in Italy is taking its toll. One Italian referee's accreditation to the upcoming World Cup in Germany has been withdrawn, and prosecutors have ordered more than 40 people to face questioning. The Vatican has denounced the scandal as an offense to sport.
With less than a month before the World Cup Championship in Germany, the attention of Italians is focused on a scandal that has engulfed the country's national sport. Radio and television broadcasts and pages and pages of newspapers are devoted to the football scandal.
Prosecutors have opened a massive investigation into allegations of fixing games and illegal betting. The Italian football federation Saturday withdrew the World Cup accreditation of a well-known referee, after he was implicated in the scandal.
Four teams in the top-level Series A are involved so far: Juventus, Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina.
Also BBC and several other on-line news have information about this scandal. I googgled "Italian football scandal".
Edited by Atkingani - June 27 2006 at 14:04
|
|
Guigo
~~~~~~
|
|
Kid-A
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 02 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 613
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 14:06 |
|
The latest rumour is Juve will be relegated 3 divisions, and AC Milan 1.
|
|
|
|
Raff
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: July 29 2005
Location: None
Status: Offline
Points: 24429
|
Posted: June 27 2006 at 14:17 |
Kid-A wrote:
The latest rumour is Juve will be relegated 3 divisions, and AC Milan 1. |
That would be many people's dream come true, I think. Juve is hated by all those who are not fans of it, who have spent decades wondering why it kept winning "scudetti" (now 29) while other teams had to struggle to even win one. However, I will believe it when I see it... 
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16473
|
Posted: June 28 2006 at 14:10 |
Kid-A wrote:
The latest rumour is Juve will be relegated 3 divisions, and AC Milan 1. |
Juventus would use its money and form another league! 
|
|
Sean Trane
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20251
|
Posted: June 29 2006 at 02:51 |
Although I would hate seeing Juventus in liga B
Sending that fascist club Lazio Roma and Berlusconi's club Milan AC in provincial leagues would be fitting punishment, just for being what they are!!!!!!!  
In Belgium, La Louvière is relagated to THIRD LEAGUE, because of the same type of game-fixing
Edited by Sean Trane - June 29 2006 at 06:14
|
|
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
|
|
krusty
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 27 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1777
|
Posted: June 29 2006 at 06:11 |
Of course Juventus, Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina should be at the very least relegated and should be fined. Fixing games and paying off referees is cheating period. I have a feeling though that due to the power of the teams involved they may just get off with heavy fines.
|
|
|
|
Raff
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: July 29 2005
Location: None
Status: Offline
Points: 24429
|
Posted: June 29 2006 at 06:17 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Although I would hate seeing Juventus in liga B
Sending that fascist club Lazio Roma and Berlusconi's club Milan AC in provincial leagues would be fitting punishment, just for being what they are!!!!!!!
|
Hugues:  Although my brother, who is a Lazio supporter, wouldn't agree with you... But I would also love to see Juve relegated. They've been fixing matches for years, and yet they're the only football team who's never been relegated, not even once. They highly deserve it!
|
|
Sean Trane
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20251
|
Posted: June 29 2006 at 06:25 |
You may know something I do not about Juve.
I thought this was the club all of Italy liked (even in the South) because they had better ethics than other clubs (at least from Belgium it appeared so) and regurlarly helped kids in the poorer southern part of Italy
Edited by Sean Trane - June 29 2006 at 06:25
|
|
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Italian Scandal
