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acheron

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Topic: IQ: Dark Matter
Posted: June 25 2006 at 14:54

ok I just got this album and i really enjoy it, however it seems like it ripps off a lot of other music, mainly in the singing melodies

im at work right now so i cant listen to it carefully to find each example but i remember thinking that one part sounded like a part from dream theater's 'Scenes from a Memory'

ill try to pick out each example later

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 14:59

I think this album is really great. (Actually I have The Progtologist to thank for this recommendation)

IMHO they are the top Neo band.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:00

Great album, not IQ's best, though.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:01

Meh, I don't see why people like IQ so much. They're a solid band there are much better.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:18

Some of the vocal melodies on that album are brilliant. The one that's always struck me in particular is the "day after day" chorus from the beginning of "Harvest of Souls". That is such a good melody yet it seems so simple and obvious that I've always wondered if it was "borrowed" from somewhere else. Mind you, McCartney was always thought that he must have stolen the melody to "Yesterday" when he first thought of it.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:34

<<Meh, I don't see why people like IQ so much. They're a solid band there are much better.>>

Did we ask?

You're right, there are a lot better; but, it's subjective and opinion based. Why can't people comprehend that? I have to repeatedly tell my 3 year old to talk to me like a big girl when she whines for something; yet, it still happens. What's your excuse?

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:42

I don't think they stole their melodies. Dark Matter is such a wonderful album, please let it be in the Olympus of prog rock classics in peace.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:49

i love dark matter. but i have to admit that i dont know any other IQ album beside that one. can you recommend me another one? because DM really speaks to me ;)

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:55

try The seventh house, ever or subterranea.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 16:00

IMO their best album. The beginning of the album is particulary amazing. I don't see the similarities with Scenes From a Memory in any part of both albums.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 16:02

My top 3 IQ albums are:

1.EVER

2.SUBTEREANIA

3.DARK MATTER

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 16:30

dAJaro wrote:

i love dark matter. but i have to admit that i dont know any other IQ album beside that one. can you recommend me another one? because DM really speaks to me ;)

Personally for me their best are their first two Tales From The Lush Attic and The Wake (which have recently been remastered and reissued). Ever is also a good choice, and sounds more like DM then the other two i mentioned.

As for Dark Matter...wonderful album. My first album by them that i bought and i still think it's fantastic (though probably my third favorite by them).

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 16:34

IQ Don't Matter More Like LOL

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:28

E-Dub wrote:

<<Meh, I don't see why people like IQ so much. They're a solid band there are much better.>>

Did we ask?

You're right, there are a lot better; but, it's subjective and opinion based. Why can't people comprehend that? I have to repeatedly tell my 3 year old to talk to me like a big girl when she whines for something; yet, it still happens. What's your excuse?

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I was never whining, and I don't think that was even a complaint. Comparing me to a 3 year old child for a simple muse on a somewhat common belief is insulting. I was never assulting another's opinion, just wondering aloud why people like them so much.

I like Dark Matter. I'd give it no less than 4 stars if I were to review it. It just confuses me a bit when people like Dark Matter so much when I think IQ have made better albums. I've seen far fewer topics started about The Wake, and I know some people hold Tales from the Lost Attic to be their best album, though I haven't heard it. Also, except for maybe Marillion, IQ is believed by a great number of members here to be the best neo Prog band when they would be hard-pressed to break my Top 5.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:29

The Seventh House and Subterranea are awesome.

I still need to get Tales From The Lush Attic and The Wake. Stay away from Namzamo, though. Not too great.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:29

IQ are to me the top Neo band, hands down, and it's the vocal melodies that do it. They're almost always written my Mike and Martin, which explains why they fit with (and are often mirrored in) the instrumental sections.

I consider Subterrenea their masterpiece, followed by Ever, Tales from the Lush Attic and Seventh House - only then do I slot in Dark Matter, which I thought lacked some depth, and tended to repeat some ideas to stretch the songs into Epic length. DM isn't a bad album, but to me, there's far better in the Nicholls IQ catalogue - and there are individual tracks not on the albums above that outdo all on DM (Dans le Parc..., It all Stops Here, Headlong, Magic Roundabout).

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:37

I just get so sick and tired of reading, "I don't know how anyone can like so and so." I have those exact same feelings for a TON of artists; however, I have enough respect to allow them to enjoy it. Sorry if you feel insulted. Opinions should simply be left alone, however. Maybe state reasons why you don't like them, rather than lessening the opinions of others based on the simple fact that they don't correspond with yours.

Again, sorry for the knee jerk reaction. My response wasn't necessary.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:44

E-Dub wrote:

I just get so sick and tired of reading, "I don't know how anyone can like so and so." I have those exact same feelings for a TON of artists; however, I have enough respect to allow them to enjoy it. Sorry if you feel insulted. Opinions should simply be left alone, however. Maybe state reasons why you don't like them, rather than lessening the opinions of others based on the simple fact that they don't correspond with yours.

Again, sorry for the knee jerk reaction. My response wasn't necessary.

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Thanks, and I'm sorry for for being ignorant of other's opinions.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:46

"Ignorance" may be a dash strong. As you said, you were wondering aloud. Maybe I need to just relax a bit and maybe mix a bit of decaf in with my coffee.

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Posted: June 25 2006 at 18:23

I'm with those who think Dark Matter is a tremendous album, absolutely brilliant, right up there challenging the classics IMO. On the strength of that one, I bought Seventh House, but that one hasn't hit home yet. Am definitely going to get more of IQ's stuff....

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