IQ: Dark Matter
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Topic: IQ: Dark Matter
Posted By: acheron
Subject: IQ: Dark Matter
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 14:54
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ok I just got this album and i really enjoy it, however it seems like it ripps off a lot of other music, mainly in the singing melodies
im at work right now so i cant listen to it carefully to find each example but i remember thinking that one part sounded like a part from dream theater's 'Scenes from a Memory'
ill try to pick out each example later
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 14:59
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I think this album is really great. (Actually I have The Progtologist to thank for this recommendation)
IMHO they are the top Neo band.
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:00
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Great album, not IQ's best, though.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:01
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Meh, I don't see why people like IQ so much. They're a solid band there are much better. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:18
| Some of the vocal melodies on that album are brilliant. The one that's always struck me in particular is the "day after day" chorus from the beginning of "Harvest of Souls". That is such a good melody yet it seems so simple and obvious that I've always wondered if it was "borrowed" from somewhere else. Mind you, McCartney was always thought that he must have stolen the melody to "Yesterday" when he first thought of it. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:34
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<<Meh, I don't see why people like IQ so much. They're a solid band there are much better.>>
Did we ask? You're right, there are a lot better; but, it's subjective and opinion based. Why can't people comprehend that? I have to repeatedly tell my 3 year old to talk to me like a big girl when she whines for something; yet, it still happens. What's your excuse? E ------------- 
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Posted By: CrazyDiamond
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:42
I don't think they stole their melodies. Dark Matter is such a wonderful album, please let it be in the Olympus of prog rock classics in peace.  ------------- 
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Posted By: dAJaro
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:49
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i love dark matter. but i have to admit that i dont know any other IQ album beside that one. can you recommend me another one? because DM really speaks to me ;) |
Posted By: CrazyDiamond
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 15:55
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try The seventh house, ever or subterranea. -------------
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Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 16:00
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IMO their best album. The beginning of the album is particulary amazing. I don't see the similarities with Scenes From a Memory in any part of both albums. |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 16:02
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My top 3 IQ albums are:
1.EVER
2.SUBTEREANIA
3.DARK MATTER
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 16:30
Personally for me their best are their first two Tales From The Lush Attic and The Wake (which have recently been remastered and reissued). Ever is also a good choice, and sounds more like DM then the other two i mentioned.
As for Dark Matter...wonderful album. My first album by them that i bought and i still think it's fantastic (though probably my third favorite by them). ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
dAJaro wrote:Posted By: Mandrakroot
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 16:34
IQ Don't Matter More Like 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:28
 I was never whining, and I don't think that was even a complaint. Comparing me to a 3 year old child for a simple muse on a somewhat common belief is insulting. I was never assulting another's opinion, just wondering aloud why people like them so much. I like Dark Matter. I'd give it no less than 4 stars if I were to review it. It just confuses me a bit when people like Dark Matter so much when I think IQ have made better albums. I've seen far fewer topics started about The Wake, and I know some people hold Tales from the Lost Attic to be their best album, though I haven't heard it. Also, except for maybe Marillion, IQ is believed by a great number of members here to be the best neo Prog band when they would be hard-pressed to break my Top 5. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:29
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The Seventh House and Subterranea are awesome.
I still need to get Tales From The Lush Attic and The Wake. Stay away from Namzamo, though. Not too great. E -------------
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Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:29
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IQ are to me the top Neo band, hands down, and it's the vocal melodies
that do it. They're almost always written my Mike and Martin, which
explains why they fit with (and are often mirrored in) the instrumental
sections. I consider Subterrenea their masterpiece, followed by Ever, Tales from the Lush Attic and Seventh House - only then do I slot in Dark Matter, which I thought lacked some depth, and tended to repeat some ideas to stretch the songs into Epic length. DM isn't a bad album, but to me, there's far better in the Nicholls IQ catalogue - and there are individual tracks not on the albums above that outdo all on DM (Dans le Parc..., It all Stops Here, Headlong, Magic Roundabout). -------------  
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:37
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I just get so sick and tired of reading, "I don't know how anyone can like so and so." I have those exact same feelings for a TON of artists; however, I have enough respect to allow them to enjoy it. Sorry if you feel insulted. Opinions should simply be left alone, however. Maybe state reasons why you don't like them, rather than lessening the opinions of others based on the simple fact that they don't correspond with yours.
Again, sorry for the knee jerk reaction. My response wasn't necessary. E -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:44
Thanks, and I'm sorry for for being ignorant of other's opinions. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 17:46
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"Ignorance" may be a dash strong. As you said, you were wondering aloud. Maybe I need to just relax a bit and maybe mix a bit of decaf in with my coffee.
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Posted By: crimson thing
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 18:23
I'm with those who think Dark Matter is a tremendous album, absolutely brilliant, right up there challenging the classics IMO. On the strength of that one, I bought Seventh House, but that one hasn't hit home yet. Am definitely going to get more of IQ's stuff.... ------------- "Every man over forty is a scoundrel." GBS 
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 18:56
| The fist IQ album I got. I've since got The Wake and found it pretty dull. Perhaps I should try Subterranea or Ever. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 21:24
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IQ didn't grab me at first. I was just discovering that new prog bands existed, and listened to everything I could get my hands on. Since the initial recation was so so, I put them aside. After reading some posts from people who's opinions I respect, I decided to give them another try. It's growing on me. I now see that they have a lot to offer, but may be hard to access. I had the same problem with VDGG. Now I am starting to love them. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 21:36
I agree with your view that they are hard to access. That's why when listening to new Prog Cds i tend to play them while doing something else and let the music wash over me a few times before fully concentrating on it. |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 22:27
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dAJaro:
If you liked DM, I would strongly suggest that you listen to Seventh House next. Although it is certainly "different" than Dm, it is probably also "most like" it. In fact, I'm torn as to whether DM or SH is my favorite IQ album.
After SH, try Ever, and then Subterranea. Ever is a single album, and thus easier to "get into" quickly once you know DM and SH. Subterranea, while excellent, is a double album, and thus requires a bit more attention.
Peace.
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Posted By: decypher
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 00:13
IQ are great in the conventional line of prog. I'd be curious to hear your suggestions (please do not bore me with spocks beard). |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 02:35
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Dark Matter just abouts scrapes into my top five IQ albums.
1.Ever
2.The Seventh House
3.The Wake
4.Tales From The Lush Attic
5.Dark Matter
The opening track Sacred Sound is as good as anything IQ have ever done and I think this sucessfully draws you into it.However Harvest Of Souls is a blatant ripoff of Suppers Ready and they even copy the Apocalypse Section! I also don't like the overtly political lyrics.It does have some great playing to redeem it though ,especially from Mike Holmes who tends to be very underrated for some reason.
IQ have one of the best back catologues in terms of consistency.Even the weaker efforts like Are You Sitting Comfortably are worth listening to.
If you prefer symphonic prog then their debut Tales From The Lush Attic is a must.Gateway is a superb epic!
The Seventh House and Ever are mainly 'neo prog' with emphasis on songs over instrumentation,although some of the songs clock in at 15 minutes long! Obviously I rate these very highly but I can easily understand why they wouldn't be to everyones taste.
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Posted By: progrock
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 04:43
Great and perfectly album  ------------- Genesis - Selling England By The Pound Eloy - Ocean Renaissance - Scheherzade and Other Stories Yes - Relayer E.L.P. - Tarkus Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 05:26
Dark Matter is my overal favourite IQ album, but I think Ever, Seventh House, and Subteranea are not far behind it. They have been consistent throughout the 90's and beyond IMO. I'm less fond of their 80's material, and feel Marillion had the edge on them back then, but thats not the case nowadays!  It's all opinion I guess..
Those who've not seen them live should check them out next time they tour. They are brilliant live; they play superbly and take care over their sound too. They are playing later this year in London. Cant remember the date, but it's listed on the Astoria/Mean Fiddler website. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |