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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:18
Originally posted by MANDRAKEROOT MANDRAKEROOT wrote:

Not in order:
Wishbone Ash
Triumph
Procol Harum
The Moody Blues
Rainbow
Deep Purple
Ian Gillan Band
Vanilla Fudge
Iron Butterfly
Whitesnake
 
 
 
 
UHM... Procol Harum and The Moody Blues are Proto Prog bands... I replaced these with:
Iron Maiden
Warlord
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:21
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Blue Oyster Cult
Rush
Uriah Heep
Black Widow
Black Sabbath
High Tide
Led Zeppelin
Grand Funk Railroad
Mountain
Cream
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:25
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Judas Priest (Sad Wings, Sin after Sin etc)
Rainbow (Dio era) although that is probably hard rock.
Blue Oyster Cult (again probably hard rock)
Black Sabbath
Blue Cheer
Mountain
Zep
Heep
High Tide
 
 
 
Oh, Oh... Blue Cheer? But for the American scene standard don't be a Prog band?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:37
UHM...  MANOWARStarStarStarStarStar
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 04:07
Originally posted by MANDRAKEROOT MANDRAKEROOT wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Judas Priest (Sad Wings, Sin after Sin etc)
Rainbow (Dio era) although that is probably hard rock.
Blue Oyster Cult (again probably hard rock)
Black Sabbath
Blue Cheer
Mountain
Zep
Heep
High Tide
 
 
 
Oh, Oh... Blue Cheer? But for the American scene standard don't be a Prog band?
 
 
I was thinking in terms of Proto-metal for Blue Cheer
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 23:36
Iron Maiden
Metallica
Megadeth
Atomic Rooster
King Crimson
Led Zepplin
Queensryche
Yngiwe Malmsteen
Rush
Marilion
 
 
Atomic Rooster, Marillion and King Crimson I suppose are more like prog bands that are proto-metal or metal related


Edited by walrus333 - June 13 2006 at 23:36
If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2006 at 13:15
The Chasm (listen to the first three albums: 'Procreation of the Inner Temple'..'From the Lost Years', and 'Deathcult For Eternity: The Triumph'..the rest is mainly pretty standard really really well done thrash/death, but these three are that plus something really really special.)

Believer (listen to 'Dimensions'..absolutely amazing progressive metal album..the other two they have are mainly straight thrash)

Extol (just listen to anything except 'The Blueprint Dives')



Those bands like that in the thrash/death realm that do really interesting out there stuff are the only ones I can really think of that are truly "on the fence" like that, that I'm into.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2006 at 18:18
Rainbow, Judas Priest (till Hell Bent For Leather) and Iron Maiden are certainly proto-prog metal bands, but to classify them under this label is to limitate their HUGE, IMEASURABLE talent to fathers of a "development" that isn't worth of its "roots".
Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 03:52
Since most proto-prog metal seems to be albums rather than specific bands, here are my top 13 (a good number for metal, I feel - I was going to go to 11, but thought that might be seen as unnecessarily ironic );



1. Diamond Head : Living On Borrowed Time (and the 50% of Canterbury which is even better).

2. Metallica : Master of Puppets (and Ride the Lightning and Justice for All)

3. Judas Priest : Sad Wings of Destiny

4. Spooky Tooth : Spooky Two

5. Black Sabbath : Heaven and Hell (and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - hey, it's got Rick Wakeman on it!)

6. Motorhead - Overkill

7. Napalm Death - Scum (not convinced? Have you heard Fantomas? )

8. Rainbow - Rising

9. Riot - Narita

10. Raven : All For One (specifically "Run Silent, Run Deep").

11. Saxon : Saxon (specifically "Frozen Rainbow")

12. Ozzy Osbourne : Blizzard of Oz (Mr Crowley and I Don't Know)

13. Blue Oyster Cult : Fire of Unknown Origin
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 11:18
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Since most proto-prog metal seems to be albums rather than specific bands, here are my top 13 (a good number for metal, I feel - I was going to go to 11, but thought that might be seen as unnecessarily ironic );

You mentioned some of my favourite albums in the hard-rock/heavy metal genre!


1. Diamond Head : Living On Borrowed Time (and the 50% of Canterbury which is even better). "Canterbury" had some great tracks on it.

2. Metallica : Master of Puppets (and Ride the Lightning and Justice for All) Clap

3. Judas Priest : Sad Wings of Destiny Clap

5. Black Sabbath : Heaven and Hell (and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - hey, it's got Rick Wakeman on it!) 
H&H is one of my all-time favourite albums.

6. Motorhead - Overkill  Are you sure about this one?

8. Rainbow - Rising Clap

9. Riot - Narita  And what about the mighty "Fire Down Under"?

11. Saxon : Saxon (specifically "Frozen Rainbow") Not so sure about this one

12. Ozzy Osbourne : Blizzard of Oz (Mr Crowley and I Don't Know) Both great tracks! (Randy Rhoads RIP Cry)

13. Blue Oyster Cult : Fire of Unknown Origin  Absolutely fantastic album - "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" is out of this world!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 11:31
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:


13. Blue Oyster Cult : Fire of Unknown Origin  Absolutely fantastic album - "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" is out of this world!
 
 
Completely agree with you, Raffaella!Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 11:47
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:


Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Since most proto-prog metal seems to be albums rather than specific bands, here are my top 13 (a good number for metal, I feel - I was going to go to 11, but thought that might be seen as unnecessarily ironic );
You mentioned some of my favourite albums in the hard-rock/heavy metal genre!

1. Diamond Head : Living On Borrowed Time (and the 50% of Canterbury which is even better).
"Canterbury" had some great tracks on it.

"To The Devil" is outstanding - and tracks like "Ishmael" and "Night of the Swords" are Prog.

2. Metallica : Master of Puppets (and Ride the Lightning and Justice for All)


3. Judas Priest : Sad Wings of Destiny


5. Black Sabbath : Heaven and Hell (and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - hey, it's got Rick Wakeman on it!)  H&H is one of my all-time favourite albums.

6. Motorhead - Overkill 
Are you sure about this one?

Absolutely 100% - it's amazingly varied, e.g. the title track, Capricorn, Stay Clean and Metropolis, and when you compare it to anything Motorhead did before or after, it's out of this world. Motorhead were one of the few bands that are completely NOT influenced by Priest, Sabbath et al - it was all Lemmy and what he brought from Hawkwind. Motorhead are criminally underrated.     

8. Rainbow - Rising


9. Riot - Narita  And what about the mighty "Fire Down Under"?

Fire Down Under is a great album, but sounds a bit "Narita part II" in many ways.


11. Saxon : Saxon (specifically "Frozen Rainbow")
Not so sure about this one

Go give it another listen - but particularly Frozen Rainbow


12. Ozzy Osbourne : Blizzard of Oz (Mr Crowley and I Don't Know)
Both great tracks! (Randy Rhoads RIP )

13. Blue Oyster Cult : Fire of Unknown Origin  Absolutely fantastic album - "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" is out of this world! 


I missed out Raven's spectacular "All For One" - the track "Run Silent, Run Deep" is surely pure Prog metal!
    

Check out the Spooky Tooth album - you won't believe it was released in 1968 - before any of Led Zep's albums. You can hear the massive influence ST were on LZ, as well as Black Sabbath and Deep Purple.

The track "Evil Woman" has a riff that Sabbath used for "Sweet Leaf", and this album contains the original of "Better By You, Better Than Me" that appears on Priest's "Stained Class".

This album NEEDS more recognition!!!   
     
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:11
I have 'Narita'- the title track struck me as being prototype prog metal with its thundering tempo, furious musicianship and complexity and I hear an influence for Iron Maiden's 'Genghis Khan' and 'Transylvania' in it, but I don't remember the rest of the album being so progressive- will have to give it another spin.
 
I've loved Spooky Tooth and 'Spooky Two' in particular since finding a hopelessly battered original UK vinyl of it about 6 years ago. Even the bedraggled condition coudln't obscure the sheer quality. It's one of my all time favourite albums, and I've always actually considered them to be a prog act but I see many don't. Pretty heavy stuff for 1969, yet with gorgeous rootsy melodies a la The Band or Traffic in 'Feelin' Bad' and 'I've Got Enough Heartache'. 'Evil Woman' is one of the best things I've ever heard, period!Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 02:54
Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:



I have 'Narita'- the title track struck me as being prototype prog metal with its thundering tempo, furious musicianship and complexity and I hear an influence for Iron Maiden's 'Genghis Khan' and 'Transylvania' in it, but I don't remember the rest of the album being so progressive- will have to give it another spin.


Indeed - the title track is probably the most Prog Metal related, but the trio of songs "Do It Up", "Hot For Love" and "White Rock" are pretty innovative too. All of the musicianship is diamond hard and very impressive for 1979 - and their cover of "Born To Be Wild" is exceeded only by Raven's.

I did a quick search for this album on Amazon.com, and was pleasantly surprised to note that 33% of people who bought "Narita" also bought "All For One".

Am I the only Raven fan here?
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:05
I know Raven and that album as well, but I heard it so long ago that I really can't remember anything about it - except that they played very hard and fast, with lots of boundless energy. This is why I deleted the entry in your list. I also know of Spooky Tooth, but I couldn't say I'm familiar with their output. However, on the strength of your recommendations, I intend to catch up with them ASAP.

As to Riot's cover of "Born to be Wild", I totally agree with you - it's possibly the best ever done, even though I have a soft spot for B.O.C.'s too. BTW, I suppose you've heard Accept's cover of the same song, with Udo Dirkschneider's unearthly shrieks and all...Wink
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I know Raven and that album as well, but I heard it so long ago that I really can't remember anything about it - except that they played very hard and fast, with lots of boundless energy. This is why I deleted the entry in your list. I also know of Spooky Tooth, but I couldn't say I'm familiar with their output. However, on the strength of your recommendations, I intend to catch up with them ASAP.As to Riot's cover of "Born to be Wild", I totally agree with you - it's possibly the best ever done, even though I have a soft spot for B.O.C.'s too. BTW, I suppose you've heard Accept's cover of the same song, with Udo Dirkschneider's unearthly shrieks and all...

    
No, but Udo sang on Raven's - if that's the one you mean!

He also produced "All For One", IIRC.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:31
Your're perfectly right - I heard the song so long ago that I got everything mixed up! Thanx for the reminder!Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:51
I just thought of another album I missed - and while all the songs are around the 4 minute mark, it's an innovative wonder of the metal world:

Samson : Head On

(Featuring one "Bruce Bruce" - or Mr Dickinson!)
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