Name your top 10 Proto/Prog Related METAL bands!
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Topic: Name your top 10 Proto/Prog Related METAL bands!
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Subject: Name your top 10 Proto/Prog Related METAL bands!
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:31
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Ok ... this was initially intended for the prog metal team, but I don't see why it shouldn't be public. Each of you can name the 10 bands which you feel are the most important proto prog / prog related bands in the genre of Metal. Feel free to edit your posts if you discover a band mentioned by someone else that you didn't think of at first. I'll wait a few days and then we'll see which bands are indeed the most important ones. I'll post my list later ... I need some time to think about it. 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:35
Great idea, Mike!  So, there's my list:Judas Priest (circa "Sad Wings of Destiny") Iron Maiden (from "The Number of the Beast" onwards) Metallica (from "Ride the Lightning" to "And Justice for All) Megadeth (from "Peace Sells..." onwards) Rainbow would not probably qualify as Metal, but I would include them all the same. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:46
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Judas Priest (Sad Wings, Sin after Sin etc)
Rainbow (Dio era) although that is probably hard rock.
Blue Oyster Cult (again probably hard rock)
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:48
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Well, I'm interested. I'm not into the "Metal" genre; but I still feel interested into such information. I would really like to know wich are, historically, the bands that are considered like "proto - something". Every time I try to listen to Dreamtheater, I kind of see some Kansas traits in the music. I guess Kansas can be proto - metal somehow. Plus, the song "De Futura" from Magma's UDU WUDU has a very hard bass line from the middle section to the end, it kind of makes me think a bit about a certain metal sound; but it also mybe just mi impression, since I'm not articulated in the subject. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:50
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Of course you can also mention Rock bands ... but imagine those bands listed as "Proto Prog Metal" or "Prog Related Metal" and decide if that makes sense.
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:55
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Maybe Scorpions (the early years with Uli Jon Roth)
Yngwie Malmsteen (First real neo classic metal guitarist)
Maybe Maiden...difficult to decide.
I see Metallica as the pioneers of thrash, not really prog related.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 17:11
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High Tide; their first album "Sea Shanties" from 1969 is the first prog metal album.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 17:20
^ IMO that one's more "Heavy Prog Folk" than metal. But that's only me.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 17:33
What she said. |
Ghost Rider wrote:Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 22:20
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Metallica (Prog-Related Metal))
Iron Maiden (Prog-Related Metal)
Megadeth (Prog-Related Metal)
Black Sabbath (Proto-Metal)
The Doors (Proto-Prog, Metal/Hard Rock Related)
Jimmi Hendrix (Proto-Prog, Metal/Hard Rock Related) |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 02:29
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uh oh, Steve Vai, Muse, Metallica, Jimi Hendrix, Joe Satriani...
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 02:48
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 08:27
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Judas Priest (Sad Wings, Sin after Sin etc)
Rainbow (Dio era) although that is probably hard rock.
Blue Oyster Cult (again probably hard rock)
Black Sabbath
Blue Cheer
Mountain
Zep
Heep
High Tide ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 08:54
^ the question arises whether some of those bands are "merely" proto-metal bands, or proto-prog-metal.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:28
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I think High Tide may be proto-prog-metal rather than simply proto-metal. Their music is much more sophisticated than, say, early Black Sabbath. As to Led Zep, I would put them straight in Proto-Prog - how do you call "No Quarter", anyway?
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:55
I Knew This Was Coming
 And I prayed it did
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 14:42
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Mike, the ones I posted.........I believe are Proto Metal bands, in other words have some elements of Prog Metal but still not fully developed almost as Prog Metal in embryonic state.
About the rest, each member knows.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 15:10
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Well Zep cant be Proto-Prog,they're too late for starters.
Zep were maybe Proto-Prog Metal. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 15:47
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Maiden and Megadeth. Althought I'm somewhat curious on how true Megadeth's relation to prog is. Metallica is probably my favorite proto-prog metal band, but I only care for a few songs, not their albums on the whole. -------------  
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:15
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Not in order:
Wishbone Ash
Triumph
Procol Harum
The Moody Blues
Rainbow
Deep Purple
Ian Gillan Band
Vanilla Fudge
Iron Butterfly
Whitesnake
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:18
UHM... Procol Harum and The Moody Blues are Proto Prog bands... I replaced these with:
Iron Maiden
Warlord -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:21
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NEW LIST:
Blue Oyster Cult
Rush
Uriah Heep
Black Widow
Black Sabbath
High Tide
Led Zeppelin
Grand Funk Railroad
Mountain
Cream -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:25
Oh, Oh... Blue Cheer? But for the American scene standard don't be a Prog band?
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:37
UHM... MANOWAR -------------
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:00
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:05
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Post awfully outdated and not reflecting a personal position anymore. - Ivan. ------------- sig |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 04:07
I was thinking in terms of Proto-metal for Blue Cheer ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: walrus333
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 23:36
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Iron Maiden
Metallica
Megadeth
Atomic Rooster
King Crimson
Led Zepplin
Queensryche
Yngiwe Malmsteen
Rush
Marilion
Atomic Rooster, Marillion and King Crimson I suppose are more like prog bands that are proto-metal or metal related ------------- If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks! |
Posted By: OrionCrystalIce
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 13:15
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The Chasm (listen to the first three albums: 'Procreation of the Inner Temple'..'From the Lost Years', and 'Deathcult For Eternity: The Triumph'..the rest is mainly pretty standard really really well done thrash/death, but these three are that plus something really really special.) Believer (listen to 'Dimensions'..absolutely amazing progressive metal album..the other two they have are mainly straight thrash) Extol (just listen to anything except 'The Blueprint Dives') Those bands like that in the thrash/death realm that do really interesting out there stuff are the only ones I can really think of that are truly "on the fence" like that, that I'm into. ------------- black star, white light 
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: June 16 2006 at 18:18
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Rainbow, Judas Priest (till Hell Bent For Leather) and Iron Maiden are certainly proto-prog metal bands, but to classify them under this label is to limitate their HUGE, IMEASURABLE talent to fathers of a "development" that isn't worth of its "roots". ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 03:52
Since most proto-prog metal seems to be albums rather than specific bands, here are my top 13 (a good number for metal, I feel - I was going to go to 11, but thought that might be seen as unnecessarily ironic  );
1. Diamond Head : Living On Borrowed Time (and the 50% of Canterbury which is even better). 2. Metallica : Master of Puppets (and Ride the Lightning and Justice for All) 3. Judas Priest : Sad Wings of Destiny 4. Spooky Tooth : Spooky Two 5. Black Sabbath : Heaven and Hell (and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - hey, it's got Rick Wakeman on it!) 6. Motorhead - Overkill 7. Napalm Death - Scum (not convinced? Have you heard Fantomas? )
8. Rainbow - Rising 9. Riot - Narita 10. Raven : All For One (specifically "Run Silent, Run Deep"). 11. Saxon : Saxon (specifically "Frozen Rainbow") 12. Ozzy Osbourne : Blizzard of Oz (Mr Crowley and I Don't Know) 13. Blue Oyster Cult : Fire of Unknown Origin ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 11:18
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)Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 11:31
Completely agree with you, Raffaella!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 11:47
I missed out Raven's spectacular "All For One" - the track "Run Silent, Run Deep" is surely pure Prog metal! 
Check out the Spooky Tooth album - you won't believe it was released in 1968 - before any of Led Zep's albums. You can hear the massive influence ST were on LZ, as well as Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. The track "Evil Woman" has a riff that Sabbath used for "Sweet Leaf", and this album contains the original of "Better By You, Better Than Me" that appears on Priest's "Stained Class". This album NEEDS more recognition!!! 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 17:11
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I have 'Narita'- the title track struck me as being prototype prog metal with its thundering tempo, furious musicianship and complexity and I hear an influence for Iron Maiden's 'Genghis Khan' and 'Transylvania' in it, but I don't remember the rest of the album being so progressive- will have to give it another spin.
I've loved Spooky Tooth and 'Spooky Two' in particular since finding a hopelessly battered original UK vinyl of it about 6 years ago. Even the bedraggled condition coudln't obscure the sheer quality. It's one of my all time favourite albums, and I've always actually considered them to be a prog act but I see many don't. Pretty heavy stuff for 1969, yet with gorgeous rootsy melodies a la The Band or Traffic in 'Feelin' Bad' and 'I've Got Enough Heartache'. 'Evil Woman' is one of the best things I've ever heard, period!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 02:54
Indeed - the title track is probably the most Prog Metal related, but the trio of songs "Do It Up", "Hot For Love" and "White Rock" are pretty innovative too. All of the musicianship is diamond hard and very impressive for 1979 - and their cover of "Born To Be Wild" is exceeded only by Raven's. I did a quick search for this album on Amazon.com, and was pleasantly surprised to note that 33% of people who bought "Narita" also bought "All For One". Am I the only Raven fan here? ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:05
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I know Raven and that album as well, but I heard it so long ago that I really can't remember anything about it - except that they played very hard and fast, with lots of boundless energy. This is why I deleted the entry in your list. I also know of Spooky Tooth, but I couldn't say I'm familiar with their output. However, on the strength of your recommendations, I intend to catch up with them ASAP. As to Riot's cover of "Born to be Wild", I totally agree with you - it's possibly the best ever done, even though I have a soft spot for B.O.C.'s too. BTW, I suppose you've heard Accept's cover of the same song, with Udo Dirkschneider's unearthly shrieks and all... |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:29
No, but Udo sang on Raven's - if that's the one you mean! He also produced "All For One", IIRC. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:31
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Your're perfectly right - I heard the song so long ago that I got everything mixed up! Thanx for the reminder!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 03:51
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I just thought of another album I missed - and while all the songs are around the 4 minute mark, it's an innovative wonder of the metal world:
Samson : Head On (Featuring one "Bruce Bruce" - or Mr Dickinson!) ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 04:09
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Talking of whom, what do you think of Dickinson's "The Chemical Wedding"? I find it a real masterpiece of 'intelligent' metal!
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 04:17
The approach taken by Fantomas is completely different... their short blasts of musical insanity are united by some kind of conceptual meaning, they all flow together into more or less one piece (not to mention contain incredibly tight musicianship). ND were (and still are) all about being raw, sloppy, brutal and to the point, which sort of goes against... well... everything generally associated with prog-metal. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 05:40
Indeed - but just as John Cage's anarchic and random compositions were revolutionary to avant-garde music, so were Napalm Death to metal. They may well have been the antithesis - on purpose, I might add - but the idea was a highly progressive one. Even if there was no need to go ahead and make additional albums of it. The album "Scum" is a bona fide landmark - everything else ND did is either repetition or humdrum - and the statement it makes is almost unparalleled in metal. The conceptual meaning is also there - never mind the musicianship, as that's unimportant and above all relative in rock music. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:59
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:02
| I'm not an expert in metal, but as far as I know Rush has had a large influence on many prog-metal bands. I consider them to be proto-prog metal. Also, I'd say In Flames are prog metal related, since they're similair to Opeth in many ways. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:10
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how about MASTODON for prog metal related?
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 17:06
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I'd give a NWOBHM band called Witchfynde the heads up- just got their excellent album 'Give 'Em Hell' that overcomes a slightly odd production and features some very progressive songs indeed- some of the longest NWOBHM songs this side of Maiden, Diamond Head and White Spirit. Great track called 'Leaving Nadir' that has a very progressive intro and a 9 minute epic called 'Unto The Ages Of the Ages'. The CD has a 9 minute extra track that's similarly very progressive called 'Tetelstai'. Heck, there's even a dig at celebrated journo of NWOBHM (and still writes for Classic Rock) Geoff Barton!! Top album.
White Spirit are another act- superb keyboard work and one of the all time great epics (imo) in the spellbinding 'Fool For The Gods' that's nigh on 11 minutes and full of time changes, drama and great musicianship. Probably the longest song in the whole NWOBHM movement that I know of.
As for Samson, I'd say that 'Shock Tactics', probably my favourite of their albums (but I love the Nicky Moore era too which is far more blues rock, however), has an element of prog, particularly with an outstanding track called 'Communion'.
Also check out Magnum- their heaviest, proggiest and imo, best album is 'Chase The Dragon'- a spellbinding mix of prog, pomp and heavy rock.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 17:18
They're currently being voted on by the team. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 08:16
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Actually, everyone on the team has placed his vote for them, it's just that it is 50/50, if I'm not mistaken, with nothing in between.
Hopefully we will discuss it this sunday.
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Posted By: WillieThePimp
Date Posted: June 23 2006 at 13:31
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I don't know how nicely this will go over, but what about considering Akercocke? I believe that their last album "Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone"
blends progressive metal in with the harshest black/death metal (as nicely as Opeth does in my opinion). I
suggest listening to the album if you haven't heard it otherwise and do
not be turned off by the incomprehensible grunts/rasps in their more
extreme parts, as I was in the beginning. (honestly Jason Mendonca's
incomprehensible rasps/growls add something to the music for me now) *Many may also be turned off by the content of their lyrics, being overtly blasphemous and sexual at times, but then again listen to some of the stuff Comus has written! Other than that... I cannot necessarily think of 9 more metal bands to add, but i'd be extremely proud if Akercocke made it onto progarchives! ------------- You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket |
Posted By: BilboBaggins
Date Posted: June 24 2006 at 16:05
Just wanted to pop in here and point out that at the time that Rainbow were at their peak during the mid to late seventies, they were considered to be part of the Heavy Metal scene. The only bands heavier at that time were Motorhead. They were pretty much on a par with Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Scorpions, Saxon, MSG, AC/DC, Black Sabbbath, Gillan, and so many other bands at that time. None of these would be considered progressive althought some of the tracks by some of these bands did have progressive hooks, and light and shade. I think Rush were the only band around at that time that could be considered early Progressive Metal. I think the most underated of all the bands above were The Scorpions who, in the seventies, wrote some very intelligent rock ballads, and some outstanding and interesting guitar rock. Virgin Killer, Lovedrive, and Animal Magnetism, all come to mind. Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell is another personal favourite at that time (and still is!) ------------- Thoughtfullness |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: December 23 2006 at 17:25
| Wow, in this whole thread I can't believe no one has mentioned Budgie or even UFO. ;) |
Posted By: Daydreamyng
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 17:04
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In No Order Fates Warning Shadow Gallery Dream Theater Steve Vai Led Zeppelin Yngwie Malmsteen Deep Purple Pink Floyd The Doors Iron Maiden Some might be considered just heavy metal but that's my list and I'm sticking with it. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 29 2007 at 20:32
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Running Wild Metallica Megadeth Halloween King Diamond/Mercyful Fate Manowar and some proto: Blue Oyster Cult Black Sabbath Bloodrock Steppenwolf Trapeze Budgie Mountain Hendrix |
Posted By: Johnny-The-Fox
Date Posted: February 13 2007 at 06:44
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Iron Maiden (Somewhere In Time, Seventh Son...)
Judas Priest (Sad Wings, Sin After Sin)
Metallica (Master Of Puppets)
Megadeth (Peace Sells)
Testament (The New Order)
Anthrax (State Of Euphoria)
Grip Inc. (Power Of Inner Strength)
Tiamat (Wildhoney, Clouds)
Mekong Delta (Visions Fugitives)
Annihilator (Criteria For A Black Widow)
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 13 2007 at 06:51
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no. Sabbath High Tide Thin Lizzy (or Deep Purple if you think drumming's more important to metal) Night Sun (generation gap) Iron Maiden!!!!!!11111 Cirith Ungol (generation gap) Death Voivod Ulver Esoteric edit: thought ot more important bands ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: yarstruly
Date Posted: February 13 2007 at 15:55
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OK:
Led Zeppelin
Deep Purple
Iron Maiden
Extreme
Zebra
Triumph
Kings X
Black Sabbath
Ozzy (Rhodes era)
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Posted By: Marcos
Date Posted: February 13 2007 at 16:38
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1-Deep Purple
2-Deep Purple
3-Deep Purple
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Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 14:02
proto-prog metal: Metallica, Megadeth, and all the other 'big ones' already mentioned  For Prog-metal related, I have to mention Freak Kitchen!! I was puzzled when I found out they weren't listed on this site, but at the same time I guess I can understand it. They(i.e. IA's guitar playing) are very experimental and creative, but their songs' structures are very simple and their songs aren't exactly very lengthy. Still, I think they're brilliant and very humoristic!!("Haw, haw, haw, I don't know what I'm singing now") ------------- The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 14:08
Nope..its me too. Not Prog Metal thats for sure. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: yarstruly
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 11:16
Remove Judas Priest and replace it with Blue Oyster Cult..... ------------- Facebook hashtags: #100greatestprogrockchallenge #scottssongbysong #scottsspotlight |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 11:22
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^ rather remove Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Kings X, which aren't metal bands.
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Posted By: yarstruly
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 12:08
I'm with you on LZ & maybe DP...but Kings X? ------------- Facebook hashtags: #100greatestprogrockchallenge #scottssongbysong #scottsspotlight |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 12:13
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I thought the idea of the proto-genres were that they weren't part of the genres they inspired. zep, thin lizzy, purple and so forth fit fine in it as far as I can see
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 14:54
They're using a heavy guitar sound on some albums, but as a band they're not much heavier than Spock's Beard. And especially their early albums - which are considered to be their best - are Heavy Melodic Rock.------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: March 05 2007 at 01:14
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Does Arnold Schoenberg count?
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