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TheLamb 
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 08:15 |
Did it ever happen to you, when you listened to a modern prog bands, when you hear a section of a song where the influences are so evident that it just reminds you of other songs?
Well, happens to me all the time... go ahead and give some examples of songs that remind you of other songs 
Ill start with Dream Theater:
Beyond this Life - 6:24 is very influenced by pink floyd's Money, don't you think?... 9:04 of this song and a bit before that aswel reminds me of Frank Zappa, but I think that might be on purpose... Its so obvious!
Surrounded, from Images and Words - 99% of this song makes me wonder if this is a cover of Rush? I mean... as far as I know its a dream theater original, but it just sounds so much like Rush its quite odd...
Lie, from Awake - the whole song sortof reminds me of Tool, especailly 3:02 to about 3:30, lyrically and musically... very Tool imo...
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imoeng
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 08:40 |
nahh, check Octavarium... LOTS of influences/words from other bands...
e.g suppers ready, lucy in the sky with diamond, yeah stuff like that.. and many solos influenced from other bands as well...
and i think, this is one of many DT's abilities, heheheh...
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:21 |
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DT's Great Debate is a disgraceful Tool ripoff.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:30 |
LaBrie ripped off Owner Of A Lonely Heart in his shower, but don't tell anyone! 
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 14:09 |
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The Sound of Muzak is very Have A Cigar-ish. I can't think of any others at the moment.
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MajesterX
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 14:09 |
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Much of Dt's stuff is very inspired from the bands thier influenced from. Listen to the beginning of octavarium which many people think sounds the the beginning of Shine on you Crazy diamond. I was listening to Life in Still water by Fate's Warning on this site and I couldn't help thinking how DTish the beginning riff sounded. This is probably because Fate's warning was on of DT's influnces. Listen to Home as well! the bass line is EXTREMELY tool-like.
I really don't think alot of thier stuff is a rip-off however. I see it as a bunch of musicians jamming around, but they create a unique sound by playing a melting-pot of influences.
It's like if a buch of prog and metal fans without a real vision of a totally different sound that thier predecessors just started playing.
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 17:31 |
The Watch - anyone want to take a stab at this one? 
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 17:41 |
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AcostaFulano
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 19:27 |
STEVE HACKETT - MECHANICAL BRIDE = KING CRIMSON - 21st CENTURY SCHIZOID MAN
nearly all of it!
anyone DISAGREES?? 
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imoeng
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 19:33 |
Well first of all, its not really "ripped off" ehehhe
And also, when my dad listened to Sacrificed Sons, which has some humans voice at the beginning, he said its kinda like Pink Floyd songs... I dont know which one, hahaha... Never had a chance to enjoy older (i dont mean "old") stuff
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:07 |
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:11 |
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The intro to Tool's "The Patient" sounds similar to Fates Warning - Leave The Past Behing around 0:45 into the song.
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imoeng
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:15 |
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I just realized, Dream Theater's Take Aways My Pain is VERY Marillion's Childhoods End
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Hierophant
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 23:16 |
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Bigelf last album Hex - they ripoff paranoid, money, and welcome to the machine so blatantly it's funny
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martinprog77
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 03:44 |
 AcostaFulano wrote:
STEVE HACKETT - MECHANICAL BRIDE = KING CRIMSON - 21st CENTURY SCHIZOID MAN
nearly all of it!
anyone DISAGREES??
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no at all i think it was a big influence the KC debut album .if you listen to a song called ''serpentine song'' it sounds like ''talk to the wind''
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imoeng
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 06:10 |
Umm, about DT and Tool stuff.. Considering they are in the same time period, why its not Tool influenced by DT rather than DT influenced by Tool (i mean the songs)...
again, no offense
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Epitath
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 09:31 |
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I allways hear connections to classical music pieces in modern and in any prog really...but in my opinion thats a good thing!!
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Rosescar
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 10:01 |
imoeng wrote:
I just realized, Dream Theater's Take Aways My Pain is VERY Marillion's Childhoods End |
Childhood's End reminds me of Elton John but I can't think of any song.
Oasis' Wonderwall is a blatant rip off of Pink Floyd's "Vera Lynn".
Frank Zappa's "Broken Hearts Are For Assholes" is similar to Greenday's "American Idiot", except that it's better.
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Paradox
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 14:16 |
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I too have noticed Marillion influences in Dream Theater's music. It always annoys me when I notice blatent "sound-alike" passages. If you're going to be influenced at least work on it in your own way... Echolyn make use of Gentle Giant style vocal harmonies, this annoys me greatly as it doesn't really fit with their music.
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 15:15 |
TheLamb wrote:
Lie, from Awake - the whole song sortof reminds me of Tool, especailly 3:02 to about 3:30, lyrically and musically... very Tool imo...
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Another is Home (my favorite from them) but still, the riff always reminds my of Tool´s Fotry six & 2...
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