Noticeable Influences [On modern prog]
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Topic: Noticeable Influences [On modern prog]
Posted By: TheLamb
Subject: Noticeable Influences [On modern prog]
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 08:15
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Did it ever happen to you, when you listened to a modern prog bands, when you hear a section of a song where the influences are so evident that it just reminds you of other songs? Well, happens to me all the time... go ahead and give some examples of songs that remind you of other songs
 Ill start with Dream Theater:
Beyond this Life - 6:24 is very influenced by pink floyd's Money, don't you think?... 9:04 of this song and a bit before that aswel reminds me of Frank Zappa, but I think that might be on purpose... Its so obvious!
Surrounded, from Images and Words - 99% of this song makes me wonder if this is a cover of Rush? I mean... as far as I know its a dream theater original, but it just sounds so much like Rush its quite odd...
Lie, from Awake - the whole song sortof reminds me of Tool, especailly 3:02 to about 3:30, lyrically and musically... very Tool imo...
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 08:40
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nahh, check Octavarium... LOTS of influences/words from other bands...
e.g suppers ready, lucy in the sky with diamond, yeah stuff like that.. and many solos influenced from other bands as well...
and i think, this is one of many DT's abilities, heheheh... ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:21
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DT's Great Debate is a disgraceful Tool ripoff. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:30
LaBrie ripped off Owner Of A Lonely Heart in his shower, but don't tell anyone! 
-- Ivan ------------- sig |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 14:09
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The Sound of Muzak is very Have A Cigar-ish. I can't think of any others at the moment. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 14:09
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Much of Dt's stuff is very inspired from the bands thier influenced from. Listen to the beginning of octavarium which many people think sounds the the beginning of Shine on you Crazy diamond. I was listening to Life in Still water by Fate's Warning on this site and I couldn't help thinking how DTish the beginning riff sounded. This is probably because Fate's warning was on of DT's influnces. Listen to Home as well! the bass line is EXTREMELY tool-like. I really don't think alot of thier stuff is a rip-off however. I see it as a bunch of musicians jamming around, but they create a unique sound by playing a melting-pot of influences. It's like if a buch of prog and metal fans without a real vision of a totally different sound that thier predecessors just started playing. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 17:31
The Watch - anyone want to take a stab at this one?  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 17:41
King Crimson?  |
stonebeard wrote:Posted By: AcostaFulano
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 19:27
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STEVE HACKETT - MECHANICAL BRIDE = KING CRIMSON - 21st CENTURY SCHIZOID MAN nearly all of it! anyone DISAGREES?? |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 19:33
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Well first of all, its not really "ripped off" ehehhe
And also, when my dad listened to Sacrificed Sons, which has some humans voice at the beginning, he said its kinda like Pink Floyd songs... I dont know which one, hahaha... Never had a chance to enjoy older (i dont mean "old") stuff ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:07
Actually, CORRECTAMUNDO!! ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:11
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The intro to Tool's "The Patient" sounds similar to Fates Warning - Leave The Past Behing around 0:45 into the song. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:15
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I just realized, Dream Theater's Take Aways My Pain is VERY Marillion's Childhoods End ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: June 08 2006 at 23:16
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Bigelf last album Hex - they ripoff paranoid, money, and welcome to the machine so blatantly it's funny
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 03:44
------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 06:10
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Umm, about DT and Tool stuff.. Considering they are in the same time period, why its not Tool influenced by DT rather than DT influenced by Tool (i mean the songs)... again, no offense ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Epitath
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 09:31
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I allways hear connections to classical music pieces in modern and in any prog really...but in my opinion thats a good thing!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 10:01
Childhood's End reminds me of Elton John but I can't think of any song. Oasis' Wonderwall is a blatant rip off of Pink Floyd's "Vera Lynn". Frank Zappa's "Broken Hearts Are For Assholes" is similar to Greenday's "American Idiot", except that it's better. ------------- http://www.soundclick.com/rosescar/ - My music! "THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 14:16
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I too have noticed Marillion influences in Dream Theater's music. It always annoys me when I notice blatent "sound-alike" passages. If you're going to be influenced at least work on it in your own way... Echolyn make use of Gentle Giant style vocal harmonies, this annoys me greatly as it doesn't really fit with their music. ------------- 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 15:15
Another is Home (my favorite from them) but still, the riff always reminds my of Tool´s Fotry six & 2...  ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 15:22
What Im gonna say will sound a bit harsh...but thats not how I mean it, dont take this bad!!!... But Tool would break up before doind DT like songs...well, I think they would...they are just not that kind of band, like Rush, who takes influences even from modern bands...Tool is Tool ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 15:42
Blatant ripoff, IMHO is DT's "Home". Sounds just like "46 and 2" by Tool. The Tool song was released before SFAM was written.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 09 2006 at 15:46
Interesting... as that is what originally drew me to listen to Echolyn. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: June 10 2006 at 02:59
Because there is a common belief that Tool takes and creates, while DT borrows?
-- Ivan ------------- sig |
Posted By: mgallard
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 15:03
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After a two years or so picking up all the prog that comes my way and listening to 95% of all the top 500 prog albums listed on ProgArchives I've concluded together with the prog group musician I share office with (a Yes fan) just how far Genesis has influenced (via Marillion in many cases) the modern Prog scene. There is almost no Neo prog (and related) group where the influence isn't at most skin deep, for the most it's very obvious. Just some recent examples would be: Riverside, DT, Flower Kings, Spock's Beard. Some older examples (some are clearly clones, which is cool by me), The Watch, MIA, Magic Pie, Landmarq, Asia Minor, Citizen Cain, PFM, Banco del M. S., etc., etc. Some groups, say Flower Kings, mix other influences in too, Yes, Frank Zappa, etc., but Genesis seems to be a central influence, at least that's the impression I have, would also explain them owning 4 of the top ten places in the ProgArchive list. Or am I completely wrong? (not!  )Mogens |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: June 15 2006 at 06:00
e-e-e-eh...UNIVERS ZERO?...
No,Stonie,I MUST disagree with you here - they're not FOLLOWERS,they're CONTINIUERS!!! 
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: June 15 2006 at 06:04
What I can do here is to agree.TOOL is unpredictable - 10 000 Days just proved it again!!! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 15 2006 at 06:11
I agree, but it cannot be overlooked. It's the most obvious influence I've ever heard. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: June 15 2006 at 08:41
| I think K2 are very Genesis sounding too. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 15 2006 at 09:47
I know the guy who used to play keyboards in the band... Not that I'd stab him, of course! |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: June 16 2006 at 04:19
Oh yeah.That's why I love 'em!
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: June 16 2006 at 04:22
Only in vocals IMHO.The music is too damn YES-like,and I DISLIKE it!!! 
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: June 16 2006 at 05:15
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Octovarum, Mind Drive and Shine on You Crazy Diamond all sound the same to me in the opening parts. No dought that they were influenced by Shine on You Crazy Diamond. ------------- 
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 27 2006 at 06:31
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there's this Greek very special artist - Thanassis Papakwnstantinou - who has a song called Atman and it's the riff from Fallen Angel by KC.. even the grindings of Fripp's guitar are in the same song... |
Posted By: mr_johnny_lee
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 15:24
| Octavarium and Sky Moves Sideways has obvious influences from Shine On You Crazy Diamond. |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 15:42
Really? I thought they sound more like Geneisis with a bit of fusion thrown in. I have to say I much more enjoyed the music live than I did the CD. Something too laid back on the CD but much stronger live. ------------- 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 20:19
Because The Great Debate sounds nothing like what DT was doing at the time, past or in the future, but it sounds exactly like what Tool is doing.
I'm only speaking of that song, otherwise I see no Tool influence in Dream Theater but in that case it's blatant ripping off. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 21:13
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The mellotron from Wobblers Hinterland around 6:40 is the exact same as King Crimsons Epitaph mellotorn climax! But the exact one!!!
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Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: August 31 2006 at 00:38
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I can hear ALOT of Rush in Fates Warning. Especially in the albums with Mark Zonder drumming. Now I don't mean it in a negative light as they do it very subtly but you can certainly hear the influence. ------------- 
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Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: August 31 2006 at 05:29
| Cream, Beach Boys, Beatles, Byrds and Fleetwood Mac were an influence on many progressive groups, modern or otherwise. |
Posted By: mccrank_yeahrig
Date Posted: August 31 2006 at 06:06
| If you heard SINKADUS' "Aurum Nostrum" you will hear in each song ANGLAGARD!. It's just a copy |