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Yito 
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 Topic: Dream Theater: the most popular under rated band.
Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:14 |
Much prog fans always says: DT is a very talented band but not so good, if you want good prog listen Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa or Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso. I really canīt understand how a very popular band like Dt is so underated, i mean, the progressions that Dt uses, the wear chords, the very exotic scales, the lyrics,the complex bars, etc.
Iīm a big fan of Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa and Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, but after listen these bands (and other bands of course) i have the conclusion that Dream Theater are more superior (musically speaking) than these bands.
I donīt write this to offend classic bands, or to make a controversy; i just wan to say this: donīt judge Dream Theater only for the heavy distortion, open your ears and hear the DT albums like 10 times to discover the fantastic music that you are missing.
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:22 |
You're saying some things about Dream Theater I have been saying for a long time. The best explaination I give from all of my interaction on this forum is: people don't like the sound of it.
I like many know that Dream Theater isn't all about techincal virtuosity, but they actually do very interesting and controlled melodic figures with some of the smoothest vocal lines. Listen to a song like Losing Time for one of the great Dream Theater vocal experiences.
Dream Theater is a band that approaches songs in a variety of ways. Some people only look at their popular virtuoso approach, but I have read at least one review where their style jumps are too random.  |
 
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Drew
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:24 |
The way I try to defend Dream Theater is quite simple:
Dream Theater is Dream Theater- They are their own musical Niche!!
Why should they be like other bands that some people enjoy more?
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:26 |
Your English is ok; it's a lot more readable than some native English speakers I know.
Weird chords, exotic scales, and complex bars do not a good band make. (For the non-Star Wars fans: Just because something and odd and complex doesn't mean it's good.)
Personally, I don't care how good their music may be; at the end of the day the heavy distortion and technical w**king still hurts my ears.
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:28 |
 Ghandi 2 wrote:
Personally, I don't care how good their music may be; at the end of the day the heavy distortion and technical w**king still hurts my ears. |
AtLossForWords wrote:
The best explaination I give from all of my interaction on this forum is: people don't like the sound of it. |
God only two posts afterward!!!
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laplace
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:30 |
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Hey, taste aside, it's a valid opinion but Dream Theater certainly are not under-rated. I can't really support this with evidence but I'd say that they are currently more popular with college age music listeners than any classic 70s bands are.
Personally I'd like to hear them compose something a little more chaotic.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:30 |
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I think the problem with DT is they are like the bands people enjoy more.
let me preface this all by saying that I do like DT, just not as much as I used to before I started listening to more prog.
Yes, they are very good with progressions and exotic scales, etc, and they do what they do extremely well. The problem (for me anyway) is that they haven't really had any original ideas in a very long time. They take ideas straight from other more significant prog bands and put them into their own songs. For me, prog music is about progressing and doing new things, not about sounding like the old days.
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E-Dub
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:31 |
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I'm not a huge metal fan (as some of you might be aware after the out-of-control locomotive-like thread I started on Opeth. Next time, send private messages and keep it out of the forums. Especially mine! Had I had the power, I would've shut 'er down myself.); however, I do like Dream Theater. They're not a favorite, and I must be in the mood for them. Their talent, however, is undeniable. I think people attack DT because they're an easy target due to their success.
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:33 |
E-Dub wrote:
I'm not a huge metal fan (as some of you might be aware after the out-of-control locomotive-like thread I started on Opeth. Next time, send private messages and keep it out of the forums. Especially mine! Had I had the power, I would've shut 'er down myself.); however, I do like Dream Theater. They're not a favorite, and I must be in the mood for them. Their talent, however, is undeniable. I think people attack DT because they're an easy target due to their success.
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Well you don't see the negative reviews for bands more technical than Dream Theater in the prog metal scene, because no one's heard of them before. I'm waiting for Sprial Architect to become as popular as DT, so then Cert can finally see all the emotion in Dream Theater.
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E-Dub
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:34 |
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Oh, and whoever has Will Ferrell playing the cowbell during BOC's "Don't Fear The Reaper", NEVER....and I repeat NEVER take that off. Man alive, that's friggin' hilarious!
"I've got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell!"
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E-Dub
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:37 |
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<<Well you don't see the negative reviews for bands more technical than Dream Theater in the prog metal scene, because no one's heard of them before. >>
Yes, you basically said what I said, but only varied a bit. Their high profile makes them an easy target.
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:45 |
E-Dub wrote:
I think people attack DT because they're an easy target due to their success. |
That's probably some of it. But Pink Floyd, Yes, and even Genesis have enjoyed enormous success, and usually with their least progressive albums; but people don't criticize them for that. Well a lot of people hate Abacab, but that's not because it enjoyed success. So while I think there is the element of people who can't stand it when their favorite band becomes popular and "mainstream" and then cuts himself off from them, I think most people are driven off by the metal sound and the overly techincal aspects. (and I know that DT is not all about technical skills)
AtLossForWords wrote:
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Personally, I don't care how good their music may be; at the end of the day the heavy distortion and technical w**king still hurts my ears. |
AtLossForWords wrote:
The best explaination I give from all of my interaction on this forum is: people don't like the sound of it. |
God only two posts afterward!!! |
When I wrote it there were no replies yet; I type somewhat slowly, and I was trying to decide what I was going to say.
Actually I wouldn't say that DT is underrated; Scenes is the number one prog metal album, and they have 2 albums in the top 10 prog-metal albums. Although I admit that there are many people on this forum who do not care for metal, I think that the number of people who have an insane fanatical devotion to DT make up for that.
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Junges
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:48 |
Dream Theater is awesome, i really can't understand how can someone don't like them. The fist time that i listenned, i think that the vocals are gays (i listenned to Live Scenes From New York). I live with my brother and he always was listenning DT, always, so i started to like more and more. After, i got more of they works and fall in love with them.
Now i think that DT is one of best bands. I'm a huge fan.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:54 |
DT underrated? You got to be kidding!  There are people (not only here on PA) who think they are God's gift to rock music... If I have to think of an underrated band or artist, DT are certainly not the first that come to my mind. That said, in my very humble opinion, the difference between them and the bands Yito mentioned in his post is not so much a matter of musical proficiency (complex scales, chord progressions, etc.) as one of creativity. DT are derivative - what they do, they do very well, but they are far from being groundbreaking. I think, as prog-metal bands go, Opeth are much more original and inventive.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:57 |
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<<Dream Theater is awesome, i really can't understand how can someone don't like them.>>
That's just a case of individuality, my friend. I hear negative things about Marillion all of the time (especially the Hogarth era...which is my favorite); however, I don't take it personally. It's their opinion and I'm OK with that. Now, if someone says you're a moron for liking or not liking something, then I think I'd have a problem with that.
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DrGoon
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:57 |
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I don't think Dream Theater are under-rated - the people who appreciate their music appear to be very supportive of them. Some people just don't like them. Fair enough, right? I guess its probably easier to find a clique of people who dislike Dream Theater than one who dislike Gentle Giant around these parts, but there are people who don't like them either. I like both, and that probably puts me in the majority on this site. On the other hand, I probably listen to DT more than GG these days, and that probably puts me in a minority. :)
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:59 |
Junges wrote:
Dream Theater is awesome, i really can't understand how can someone don't like them. |
Therein lies the problem that some DT fans have (and fans of other bands too. This is by no means exclusive to DT fans; but, after all, this is a thread about them); you should always be able to see why somebody else does not like what you like. Now understanding why somebody else likes somethig that you hate can, and usually is, a bit more difficult. Personally, I find it hard to see what everyone else sees in Yes, although I can see how other people would not be bothered by some of the things that bother me.
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:08 |
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Personally, I think they're overrated. I wouldn't put any of their albums in my top 100 and Riverside are far better in terms of musicality when it comes to prog metal.
It's not that they're poor musicians (after Gentle Giant, they may be the most talented band on the planet in terms of skill) but I just don't enjoy what they produce. I'm not a DT hater, just a DT not enjoyer. It's called a difference of taste - you enjoy them, mate!
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Man Made God
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:15 |
Under rated? No, absolutely not. When you look at the so called 'prog-lists' as shown here on PA, you'll see that DT is always at the top, right behind bands that have a history that goes waaaaay back like PF, Genesis and Rush.
I think the main 'problem' (if you could call it that) is that DT has an enormous fanbase all around the world. Concerts all over the world sell out, and each and every album exceeds expectation when it comes to selling-figures (ok, there are always 1/2 that don't sell that good). And with a fanbase like that, you will always have the people that want to say out loud that they don't like DT.
Unknown bands often get high appreciations because of the fact that the people who DO know them, like them. Otherwise they wouldn't listen to them. I, for one, don't feel the need to criticise bands that I don't like, and which are still pretty unknown. But I DO feel the need to 'defend', or at least try to explain what my point is when it comes to a bigger band I appreciate, like DT.
Edited by Man Made God - June 06 2006 at 14:16
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:26 |
If you like them, then fine. If you don't like them, then fine. Just don't make threads about them anymore. It's sad, but some fans/haters can't understand why people like/don't like them. You either do or don't.
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