Dream Theater: the most popular under rated band.
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Topic: Dream Theater: the most popular under rated band.
Posted By: Yito
Subject: Dream Theater: the most popular under rated band.
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:14
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Much prog fans always says: DT is a very talented band but not so good, if you want good prog listen Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa or Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso. I really can´t understand how a very popular band like Dt is so underated, i mean, the progressions that Dt uses, the wear chords, the very exotic scales, the lyrics,the complex bars, etc.
I´m a big fan of Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa and Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, but after listen these bands (and other bands of course) i have the conclusion that Dream Theater are more superior (musically speaking) than these bands.
I don´t write this to offend classic bands, or to make a controversy; i just wan to say this: don´t judge Dream Theater only for the heavy distortion, open your ears and hear the DT albums like 10 times to discover the fantastic music that you are missing.
Thank you and sorry for my bad english.  ------------- Psalm 96 1 Sing to the LORD a new song; sing to the LORD, all the earth. |
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:22
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You're saying some things about Dream Theater I have been saying for a long time. The best explaination I give from all of my interaction on this forum is: people don't like the sound of it.
I like many know that Dream Theater isn't all about techincal virtuosity, but they actually do very interesting and controlled melodic figures with some of the smoothest vocal lines. Listen to a song like Losing Time for one of the great Dream Theater vocal experiences.
Dream Theater is a band that approaches songs in a variety of ways. Some people only look at their popular virtuoso approach, but I have read at least one review where their style jumps are too random.  -------------  
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:24
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The way I try to defend Dream Theater is quite simple: Dream Theater is Dream Theater- They are their own musical Niche!!
Why should they be like other bands that some people enjoy more?
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:26
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Your English is ok; it's a lot more readable than some native English speakers I know. Weird chords, exotic scales, and complex bars do not a good band make. (For the non-Star Wars fans: Just because something and odd and complex doesn't mean it's good.) Personally, I don't care how good their music may be; at the end of the day the heavy distortion and technical w**king still hurts my ears. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:28
God only two posts afterward!!! -------------
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Ghandi 2 wrote:Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:30
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Hey, taste aside, it's a valid opinion but Dream Theater certainly are not under-rated. I can't really support this with evidence but I'd say that they are currently more popular with college age music listeners than any classic 70s bands are. Personally I'd like to hear them compose something a little more chaotic. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:30
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I think the problem with DT is they are like the bands people enjoy more. let me preface this all by saying that I do like DT, just not as much as I used to before I started listening to more prog. Yes, they are very good with progressions and exotic scales, etc, and they do what they do extremely well. The problem (for me anyway) is that they haven't really had any original ideas in a very long time. They take ideas straight from other more significant prog bands and put them into their own songs. For me, prog music is about progressing and doing new things, not about sounding like the old days. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:31
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I'm not a huge metal fan (as some of you might be aware after the out-of-control locomotive-like thread I started on Opeth. Next time, send private messages and keep it out of the forums. Especially mine! Had I had the power, I would've shut 'er down myself.); however, I do like Dream Theater. They're not a favorite, and I must be in the mood for them. Their talent, however, is undeniable. I think people attack DT because they're an easy target due to their success.
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:33
Well you don't see the negative reviews for bands more technical than Dream Theater in the prog metal scene, because no one's heard of them before. I'm waiting for Sprial Architect to become as popular as DT, so then Cert can finally see all the emotion in Dream Theater. -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:34
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Oh, and whoever has Will Ferrell playing the cowbell during BOC's "Don't Fear The Reaper", NEVER....and I repeat NEVER take that off. Man alive, that's friggin' hilarious!
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:37
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<<Well you don't see the negative reviews for bands more technical than Dream Theater in the prog metal scene, because no one's heard of them before. >>
Yes, you basically said what I said, but only varied a bit. Their high profile makes them an easy target. E -------------
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:45
That's probably some of it. But Pink Floyd, Yes, and even Genesis have enjoyed enormous success, and usually with their least progressive albums; but people don't criticize them for that. Well a lot of people hate Abacab, but that's not because it enjoyed success. So while I think there is the element of people who can't stand it when their favorite band becomes popular and "mainstream" and then cuts himself off from them, I think most people are driven off by the metal sound and the overly techincal aspects. (and I know that DT is not all about technical skills)
When I wrote it there were no replies yet; I type somewhat slowly, and I was trying to decide what I was going to say.
Actually I wouldn't say that DT is underrated; Scenes is the number one prog metal album, and they have 2 albums in the top 10 prog-metal albums. Although I admit that there are many people on this forum who do not care for metal, I think that the number of people who have an insane fanatical devotion to DT make up for that. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:48
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Dream Theater is awesome, i really can't understand how can someone don't like them. The fist time that i listenned, i think that the vocals are gays (i listenned to Live Scenes From New York). I live with my brother and he always was listenning DT, always, so i started to like more and more. After, i got more of they works and fall in love with them.
Now i think that DT is one of best bands. I'm a huge fan.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:54
DT underrated? You got to be kidding!  There are people (not only here on PA) who think they are God's gift to rock music... If I have to think of an underrated band or artist, DT are certainly not the first that come to my mind.That said, in my very humble opinion, the difference between them and the bands Yito mentioned in his post is not so much a matter of musical proficiency (complex scales, chord progressions, etc.) as one of creativity. DT are derivative - what they do, they do very well, but they are far from being groundbreaking. I think, as prog-metal bands go, Opeth are much more original and inventive. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:57
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<<Dream Theater is awesome, i really can't understand how can someone don't like them.>>
That's just a case of individuality, my friend. I hear negative things about Marillion all of the time (especially the Hogarth era...which is my favorite); however, I don't take it personally. It's their opinion and I'm OK with that. Now, if someone says you're a moron for liking or not liking something, then I think I'd have a problem with that. E -------------
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Posted By: DrGoon
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:57
| I don't think Dream Theater are under-rated - the people who appreciate their music appear to be very supportive of them. Some people just don't like them. Fair enough, right? I guess its probably easier to find a clique of people who dislike Dream Theater than one who dislike Gentle Giant around these parts, but there are people who don't like them either. I like both, and that probably puts me in the majority on this site. On the other hand, I probably listen to DT more than GG these days, and that probably puts me in a minority. :) |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 13:59
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:08
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Personally, I think they're overrated. I wouldn't put any of their albums in my top 100 and Riverside are far better in terms of musicality when it comes to prog metal. It's not that they're poor musicians (after Gentle Giant, they may be the most talented band on the planet in terms of skill) but I just don't enjoy what they produce. I'm not a DT hater, just a DT not enjoyer. It's called a difference of taste - you enjoy them, mate! |
Posted By: Man Made God
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:15
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Under rated? No, absolutely not. When you look at the so called 'prog-lists' as shown here on PA, you'll see that DT is always at the top, right behind bands that have a history that goes waaaaay back like PF, Genesis and Rush.
I think the main 'problem' (if you could call it that) is that DT has an enormous fanbase all around the world. Concerts all over the world sell out, and each and every album exceeds expectation when it comes to selling-figures (ok, there are always 1/2 that don't sell that good). And with a fanbase like that, you will always have the people that want to say out loud that they don't like DT. Unknown bands often get high appreciations because of the fact that the people who DO know them, like them. Otherwise they wouldn't listen to them. I, for one, don't feel the need to criticise bands that I don't like, and which are still pretty unknown. But I DO feel the need to 'defend', or at least try to explain what my point is when it comes to a bigger band I appreciate, like DT. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/manmadegod/?chartstyle=ScarlettJohansson1"> 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:26
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If you like them, then fine. If you don't like them, then fine. Just don't make threads about them anymore. It's sad, but some fans/haters can't understand why people like/don't like them. You either do or don't. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:34
Agreed. Good point Stony, it seems there's a thread or two like this every day. -------------  
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Posted By: Güdron
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 14:38
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Yep, man, you need to define "under rated". Well, I’ll try to explain myself: in my The Greatest group of the last 25 years pre-poll survey they got 5 votes so far. Only Metallica with 6 stands higher. And I don’t ever recall anybody calling Metallica underrated… As for myself, I’ve been trying many times, and quite painfully mind you, to get into Dream Theater - so far without much success. They bore me, their harmonies fall apart on me – I put their albums aside and forget about them the very same minute. Am I too impatient? Should I listen to a group a hundred times to allow it to grab my attention? I don’t think so. There are other things to listen to, it that simple. God, I am listening to Dream Theater right now. Yes, some technical mastery, not that I’m in any position to judge… Not bad in parts, but is it enough? My loss, I guess… So, as far as I am concerned, they are no Metallica. And yet, look at their ratings… Oh, and forgot to mention, their vocals, or rather their manner of singing, is probably the most offputing part of Dream Theater for me.------------- resistance is futile |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:07
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Dream Theater is under-appreciated IMO at least I mean some people just dismiss them saying it's all flashiness and no flavor. I disagree with that assessment granted they aren't the best songwriters in the world but they are still a great band with some kick ass albums and are a cornerstone artist in prog-metal and modern prog alike weather you like it or not. Their skills as musicians are a large draw for them and is one of the reasons I started to like them.
I have been a fan of DT for over 10 years now and have seen them live in concert 9 times now. Live they are fantastic IMO they perform flawlessly (for the most part) and the crowd can really stay with them. I have been fortunate to attend BOTH the "Live Scenes from New York" DVD show and the most recent "20th Anniversary Show" DVD show at Radiocity... Two of the best shows I have ever been to!!!
My Fav DT albums:
1. Metropolis Pt II: Scenes From a Memory (1999)
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance (2002)
3. Images and Words (1992)
4. Train of Thought (2003)
5. Awake (1994)
6. A Change of Seasons (1995)
7. Octavarium (2005)
8. Falling Into Infinity (1997)
9. When Dream and Day Unite (1989)
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Posted By: Tasartir
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:09
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They're really good, but I have, like many other people, grown tired of their technical parts and demand more emotions from songs that Dream Theater just can't achieve, that's why I've stopped listening to them for a while. ------------- ...Histoires Sans Paroles... |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:16
'Underrated'? Hardly. I think they are a band that you either love or hate, though curiously I'm in the middle somewhere- not a die hard but I like them. But not for one moment are they 'better' than Zappa or Gentle Giant or whoever- it would seem like that because they are far flashier and flamboyant than any of those acts who knew the meaning of the word restraint (particularly GG) when it came to musicianship. DT tend to be ultra bombastic, and in that they excel but I think when it comes to adding some light and shade or subtlety, they fall flat on their faces. I find it hard to listen to an album all the way through at times because apart from some toe curling ballads like 'I Walk Beside You', 'Through Her Eyes' et al, it's all bombast. ELP are the 70s prog act I would have expected some comparisons with but imo, at least, ELP (at least for their first few years) toned it down with really rather elegant acoustic interludes like 'The Sage', 'From The Beginning', 'Still You Turn Me On' and 'Lucky Man', rather than bland AOR like DT do; from what I gather most fans of DT here would find it very hard to defend the ballads on 'Octavarium'. I am a fan of DT's music but I feel their general lack of restraint turns people off them a bit, alongside some over zealous fans who sometimes sell the band as the greatest thing sinced sliced bread. That's my take on it, anyway.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:23
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^^^ I think apart from absolute fanboys most of us who enjoy DT will not defend Octavarium. I am a little tired of this mediocre album held up as an exemplar for those offering criticism (sorry, there's no way I would characterize the majority of DT's catalog as "bland AOR", but I can see how exposure to some songs on Octavarium would lead one to that.) To address the topic thread, DT are certainly not underrated on this site. Probably the opposite. They are a fantastic band but I would not place them in the echelon of Yes, for example. |
Posted By: Güdron
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:30
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Hey, I’ve got an anecdote for you! (Not to offend anybody.) What do the Dream Theater fans do on a concert? They stand motionless.  ------------- resistance is futile |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:32
What I meant from the 'bland AOR' bit was concerning the slower, ballad type tracks they do, rather than their lengthier prog material. I should have been clearer on that I guess...
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Posted By: thetick
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:34
As much as I am a DT fan, I have a tendency to take their music song by song as opposed to an album as a whole. The song Octavarium I beleive is great but the album as a whole is not (Panic Attack is cool too). There are several tunes they have that I can do without (Another Day, Anna Lee) but all bands have that (Rush's Rivendell comes to mind). As such DT is definitely NOT underrated. There may be many in this forum that don't like them but that is personal preference and not a measure of being under/overrated. Yes has the edge on DT partly because they had almost 20 years of a head start on DT and were in thier prime during a time that was much more prog friendly. ------------- Handing sanity to a faceless mind I step though the void into this blind Memory where I see life, death and purity Clocks dream tolls endlessly |
Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:37
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I hardly get the impression that DT is underrated... most definitely not on PA.
Moreover they are most often seen as THE leading progmetal band!
I acknowledge their excellent musicianship (well... I won't address James Labrie for this matter, at least not his singing ) but I think they are highly lacking when it comes to conveying emotion and passion. I guess it's a personal matter. ------------- 
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:37
Octavarium is not mediocre at all. The title track is an absolute masterpiece surrounded by above average quality songs like Sacraficed Sons, Never Enough, The Root of All Evil, The Answer Lies Within, and Panic Attack. I can understand that someone might not believe the album is a perfect masterpiece, but it's an above average album by any band's standards. -------------
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Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 16:13
I agree. The title track is awesome. The rest of the album simply is more varied than usual, they have tried to make several songs with different styles. I think it's good for them to try new sounds after eight albums.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 16:39
Well, let's agree to disagree here. I do enjoy the title track and seeing some of these songs performed live recently raised my esteem for the album somewhat. I just don't find this particular album to be among the best in the band's catalog (nor do I find it the worst). Edited to fix the quote bug again. Can someone please, please fix this? |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 16:41
Thanks for the clarification...they do sometimes miss the mark on a few ballads, I will concede that. I personally would not lump "Through Her Eyes" in that list, however; I actually find it very moving. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 16:48
do you have to use that word? Maybe you should consider how much work is involved with that "w**kery" ... and if you go to the opera or symphony orchestra and they're playing a highly complex piece of classical music, would you also bash these musicians for playing overly technical, with too little improvisation or emotion? And finally: What did DT do to you? Somehow I get the feeling that DT bashers somehow feel like they've been betrayed or cheated ... nobody forces them to listen to the music. So please try to be nice and polite to the musicians ... you can say that you don't like something without hurting their feelings. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to: 
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 18:49
I love Dream Theater, but I don't think it is underrated ... 
IMO their only underrated album is "Falling Into Infinity"
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 19:05
I agree.
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Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 19:08
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Hm. I'm quite critical of DT, but I can most certainly see what people
like about them. That kind of empathy shouldn't be too hard, I would
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Posted By: Time-Machinist
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 19:43
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I'm not a fan-boy or a hate-boy concerning D.T. But as i have observed, they definitely are not under rated. And here in Turkey, they are very overrated. And this situation may produce some D.T. hateboys.
From my point of view, one should listen to their albums, go on to listen what he liked, ignore what he didn't; and finally feel free to criticize the aspects that you like or don't. But when it comes to D.T., people are very sharp in their criticisms...
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 19:47
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Here it is - Underrated in progworld = NO
- Underrated in the free world = YES
well as you all know, its true.. everytime i introduce DT to my friend(s), they were like, "what is that?? its not popular, i havent heard DT before"
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Posted By: Time-Machinist
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:37
And here it is: Almost everybody knows (and most of them loves) Dream Theater. Even young people who recently met with rock-metal music(and knowing at the most 10 bands including Maiden, Megadeth, Metallica etc), know them. Thus i am not surprised when Portnoy is chosen to be "the best metal drummer" in most Turkish polls.
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:39
explain that please, the "almost eveybody knows" part ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Time-Machinist
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:44
| Pardon me. Every prog listener (of course), nearly all rock&metal listeners, and some non-metal listeners. Anyway their number does not enclose the majority of the population of course. Sorry, my bad... |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:54
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No, because to me the classical music sounds good and the complexity is simply because that is how the composer writes, not like they're trying to show off how well they can play. Which is the problem I have that although they do work on the melody, too much of the music is "I cam play scales faster than you." Which side is more prevalent? I don't know, as I haven't listened to them extensively. But for me if any part of the music is like that it's too much. If you like them, fine; but I don't.
Eh? I don't hate them. I was merely pointing out that just because somebody is doing something weird and complex doesn't necessarily mean it's good, which is the reason that that guy was giving. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 21:17
No, because to me the classical music sounds good and the complexity is simply because that is how the composer writes, not like they're trying to show off how well they can play. Which is the problem I have that although they do work on the melody, too much of the music is "I cam play scales faster than you." Which side is more prevalent? I don't know, as I haven't listened to them extensively. But for me if any part of the music is like that it's too much. If you like them, fine; but I don't.[/quote]
So good technical skill and bad technical are defined by the way you hear it? I suppose I should say I don't like Vivaldi because he wrote music just to show of the skill of his musicans, and it isn't the musicians wish to show off. Seriously what does it matter what musician writes the parts? -------------
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 21:50
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i think dream theater's music lacks sincerity, that's why i don't like them
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 22:05
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^ define that ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 23:08
No, it is undeniable that DT are technically very good, whether I like them or not. You could say that Vivaldi wrote complex music to show off, but there would be no motive for him to do so: why should he care how well the first chair violinist of the Philidelphia Philharmonic can play? Whereas Petrucci playing fast makes him look like a good guitarist.
Technical skill is an absolute, but whether or not the techincal skill is being used to show off or simply being used because that is the way the musician wanted to write it is up to the listener. DT detractors see the technical sections as self-indulgent w**kery that exists only to make the respective players look good; DT fans think these sections are awesome showcases for their abilities. It's all in perception. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 23:35
Taste appart...Are you crazy????
Please, is this an underrated band????? This is a comparison with the most iconic bands of Prog, the ones that everybody knows and most people love.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 23:41
hahhaha... Ivan you have to understand what 'underrated' means to some people...... 'I love this band so much.... that they must be underrated because not everyone sees their inherent brilliance as I do' ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 23:42
DT are the last band I'd call underrated There's a bunch of metalheads out there who never heard of prog than love them. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 23:55
Aside from Rush it was DT that was my biggest introduction to the wide world of Prog way back in 1995/1996 ... Prior to discovering Rush and DT I was a metalhead through and through I listened to bands like Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Metallica and other metal. After a while Rush and DT were the gateway into prog for me from their I discovered Yes and King Crimson as well as delving much deeper into the world of prog-metal.
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For the record I wouldn't call DT underrated... A bit underappreciated maybe but not really underrated.
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Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: June 06 2006 at 23:56
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Please for the love of God stop making these threads. YOUR PROG METAL ISN'T UNDER ATTACK. jesus christ. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:02
My stoey's close... I liked metal and hard rock mostly(I still love (early)Metallica, Maiden, and Megadeth  ),
plus a couple prog bands(Yes, Tull, Floyd). Then I became upsessed with
DT, and found this site one time searching for 'six degrees'... this is
where I truly discovered prog, so you can say DT led me to it------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:22
Micky, think about this:
Underrated could mean they are not mentioned enough......They are one of the most mentioned and reviewed bands (If not the most). Underrated could mean their albums have undeserved low ratings.......Dream Theater has two of the highest averages in Prog Archives.
How can anybody call them underrated? And if they do, what in hell does underrated means?
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:23
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:32
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
any two progmetal albums have more reviews than Yes, Genesis, Rush or ELP albums?
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:51
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:52
I think you really hit the nail on the head here, Micky...  It seems to be a generation gap thing, though. The majority of DT fans are considerably younger than we are, and many of them got into prog through DT. As we say here in Italy, you can never forget your first love - and many really behave like people in love. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:01
Yeah, you're right with those two... though they're mostly fanboy ratings of kids passing by (SFAM has 110 reviews and CTTE has 186 reviews) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:09
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Well there's underrated for you - DT the most rated band in PA -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:33
Nah Micky, that's the 2005 edition, have you ever read the Fanboy Advanced Dictionary (Edition 2006)?
UNDER RATED: How do this ignorants can't notice the band (s) I like is (are) the best in the history of humanity?
OVER RATED: What do this ignorants see in that crappy band?
Iván
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 02:50
I think you nailed it, Ivan ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 02:53
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its just me or that related to snobness/snobbyness/whatever... lol ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 04:44
It's just you.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 08:36
Wow... that's like... so DEEP ya know, Stoner!
 Give me a hit off that thing.
Far out.
 Stone groove.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:10
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You know your topic is controversial when Rideout manages to wander into a DT thread...
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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:31
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I've been listening to Dream theater for the first time over the last couple of weeks. I like some of the songs, but I'm not big on the heavily distorted sound, and some of the guitar soloing just goes nowhere. ------------- 
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:36
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^ what was the album and the songs if you could tell me ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 10:49
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The first few songs on Scenes From A Memory, especially Overture de 1928 and Strange deja vu.
Also I like most of Images and Words. -------------
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 11:12
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Maybe the reason Dream Theater are analysed to death on these forums is because most Symph Rock lovers can´t believe (or admit) that here is a Prog Metal band with really talented musicians, or maybe because they are American?
I prefer DT to Yes.
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:00
Me too!
 I think the skills level between Dream Theater and many symphonic prog bands like The Tangent, The Flower Kings, and Yes are very comparable. I don't think symphonic fans have a problem with this, as much as the timbre of DT doesn't tickle their fancy. -------------
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:16
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Count me in as a fan! I think there's enough variants in their albums to please anyone if they gave them a chance to listen. However, I think their over eclectic approach does work against them & confuses people.
Just my thoughts!
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Posted By: Jeff Schu
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 14:00
It's probably all those snobs over in Britain.  Or it could be "the French"-------------
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Posted By: Maverick
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 15:39
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Heh...anyway, no-one can persuade me to hate Dream Theater.
I liked them, like and will always like them. These guys are real masters. ------------- In PROG We Trust |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 15:56
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DT are certainly not an underated band. They have been rated extensively and although for some the ratings may not be as high or as low as they would like I think they have been vasted over-rated when it comes to getting attention. I guess that's not a bad thing either. Personally I really don't like their approach to song writing and arranging. I can see how some people may think they are substituting song-writing ability for technique and coming off looking like they are saying 'Watch me, see what I can do'! I say tone down the w**king, bring up the songwriting quality. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 16:16
I really don't understand how some people think that songs like A Change of Seasons, Octavarium, Learning to Live, and A Mind Besides Itself are examples of poor song writing ability. If it's only the shorter songs that listeners have a problem with, that would be the equivalent to someone like me saying Genesis has poor song writing ability because as great as Supper's Ready, Firth of Fith, and The Cinema show are, More Fool Me, Seven Stars, and Get 'em Out by Friday are examples of poor Genesis (progressive era) songwriting. -------------
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 16:22
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And they all lived very happily ever after. Yaaaawwwnn.....
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 16:23
I don't think people complain about those particular pieces as I think mostly anyone can appreciate them. I think rather that it's songs like "In The Name Of God", "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence", and "Dance Of Eternity" that people complain about, and though I'm a Dream Theater fans on those particular songs amoung others in the later catalogue, I agree with the criticisms.
And Seven Stars and Get Em Out By Friday aren't weak by anymeans even in comparrisons to those previously mentioned songs. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: hamham
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 17:02
| I've loved them for a couple years, just wish labrie would find the best way to use his voice :( |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 17:08
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I really don't enjoy DT work, but I can't argue about the topic, it is a very popular band. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 19:14
when was this if you could tell me... cause since his surgery, his voice becomes better and better.. ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 19:40
nah... think of another reason hahahah.... they are supremely talented musicians... and I, at least, am American. Ever consider that talent =/ good music in itself. It's perference for sure.... nothing more, nothing less. Besides.. since you singled out the symphonic crowd... this Dream Theater love fest was crashed only to point out that calling Dream Theater underrated is simply....stupid hahahah. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 20:18
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^^^^
Your´re right, I was just clutching at straws trying to figure out why there are so many DT threads. Gotta dash over to the prog polls now, there is a new Octavatium thread that someones put up...it never ends!
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 20:24
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I wonder what the Dream Theater thread will be tomorrow!!! -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 20:29
hmmm... in the poll section.. 'How many Dream Theater fans does it take to put an Italian prog CD in' would be a laugh riot ahahhah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 20:51
Allow me to answer.
One Dream Theater fan is needed to tell all his friends about an Italian prog cd.
Two Dream Theater fans are needed to say that they know of a better Italian prog cd.
Three Dream Theater fans are needed to vote on which Italian prog cd is better.
Five Dream Theater fans are needs to say Dream Theater is better than Italian prog.
One Dream Theater fan is needed to be open minded enough to go out and buy an Italian prog CD and put it in his CD player and say these guys sound like ELP and Dream Theater is better than ELP, so Dream Theater is better than Italian prog. -------------
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 21:01
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 07 2006 at 21:05
hahahha...bravo!.. .I should have sat on that idea until tomorrow so everyone might have seen the utter brilliance of that post. Stickinig with the theme of five.... ... the highest clappy score possible to be awarded by micky...------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: anotherpigfloyd
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 12:28
i agree with that prog rock is about great song writing not virtuosity or light speed soloing however i like their epics and their acoustic songs |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 13:04
It's like those jokes about how many X takes to change a light bulb... BTW, great idea, Micky! |
Posted By: magog
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 13:28
| I'm afraid the problem is the opposite: DT are very overrated, and, firstable, misunderstood: why a heavy metal band is considered prog? |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 00:00
Let me see, the most overrated band here has:
7 Dream Theater threads with posts in the last 24 hours!!!!!!!
Yes has 3 (Including one about their retirement)
Genesis has 1 thread
 King Crimson has 1 thread
ELP has 0
 Jethro Tull has 0
Pink Floyd has 0
The big 6 bands have 5 threads all together.
I want my favorite band to as underrated as Dream Theater.
Iván
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