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wolf0621 
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 Posted: May 20 2006 at 15:02 |
 MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I guess I'll never understand how fans of progressive music might choose to prefer Satriani over Vai. Maybe I just have to accept the fact that even among prog fans most people don't pay much attention to the actual music.
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Ouch that's harsh...I like it!...Somebody with the grapefruits to fire back, and against everybody on these boards in one shot!...I do agree with others though, Satriani's a better songwriter (sorry). Vai the student outplays Satriani the teacher (there you go), not really unusual when you think about it...
If Satch had already "peaked" on a personal level in terms of playing skill, and if Vai was as good a student as we think he was, he would have absorbed all of that knowledge & taken it from there. He did go on to play in Zappa's band, there's no better training ground - wonder how many practice hours he logged during that period? I'd prefer to see Vai as "the guitar player" in a band led by someone else, while I'm OK with Satch as band leader (and guitar player)...Satch wins! SSSaaattttccchhhhh wins!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 11:11 |
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I guess I'll never understand how fans of progressive music might choose to prefer Satriani over Vai. Maybe I just have to accept the fact that even among prog fans most people don't pay much attention to the actual music.
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 11:04 |
Joe is an easy choice for me-
Much better song writer
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 11:01 |
chessman wrote:
Let's not forget Satriani gave Vai some pointers/lessons on guitar years ago...I find Joe quite cold and calculating,and wouldn't put him in my top 20 guitarists really, though he can certainly play. However, he is miles better than Vai, who is the classic 'twiddly-widdly' let's see how fast I can play this thing' guitarist. Emotionless, and quite weak as a songwriter. I had one cd by him, the atrocious 'Passion And Warfare' - great cover, crap music. Joe gets my vote! Blue Dream is his best album. |
 A year ago I would have responded to this type of prejudiced and objectively wrong post with a ton of arguments. Today - I just let it go, smile and listen to some great music by Steve Vai.
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chessman
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 10:33 |
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Let's not forget Satriani gave Vai some pointers/lessons on guitar years ago...I find Joe quite cold and calculating,and wouldn't put him in my top 20 guitarists really, though he can certainly play. However, he is miles better than Vai, who is the classic 'twiddly-widdly' let's see how fast I can play this thing' guitarist. Emotionless, and quite weak as a songwriter. I had one cd by him, the atrocious 'Passion And Warfare' - great cover, crap music. Joe gets my vote! Blue Dream is his best album.
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 10:23 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
xtopher wrote:
I love Vai, but Satch is one of my favorite all-time musicians, so Satch.
Yes, they're both master songwriters. However, I don't know if I'd say that Vai is superior technically; he's much quicker to display his chops than Satch is, while Satch is more careful to keep his phrasing more deliberate and tasteful. Vai is more experimental and varied, but his biggest weakness is that his albums are a little inconsistent. On the other hand, Satch usually remains within a specific blues/rock style (which sometimes bugs me), but he is incredibly good at getting you to feel the precise emotion or vibe he wants you to feel. Bravo, Satch!
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I know both very well and I must say that Vai's also extremely good at that. He's just more experimental, while Satriani can be annoyingly un-experimental (trying to avoid the word "mainstream" here) at times. But there's a time and place for everything.
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Its obvious you are just to fanatic to see it...
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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el böthy
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 10:21 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I don't understand why many people say that Satriani writes better melodies than Vai. Vai is a true master of songwriting. Most of his songs are really well balanced - very diverse, great shredding, great sparse parts, mellow, aggressive - everything.
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I think that like many my problem with this you say about Vai is that... he does so much all the time...that you get tired, so you dont listen to him with much atention...while Scratch always does this accesible yet complex melodys...
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 21:49 |
xtopher wrote:
I love Vai, but Satch is one of my favorite all-time musicians, so Satch.
Yes, they're both master songwriters. However, I don't know if I'd say that Vai is superior technically; he's much quicker to display his chops than Satch is, while Satch is more careful to keep his phrasing more deliberate and tasteful. Vai is more experimental and varied, but his biggest weakness is that his albums are a little inconsistent. On the other hand, Satch usually remains within a specific blues/rock style (which sometimes bugs me), but he is incredibly good at getting you to feel the precise emotion or vibe he wants you to feel. Bravo, Satch!
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I know both very well and I must say that Vai's also extremely good at that. He's just more experimental, while Satriani can be annoyingly un-experimental (trying to avoid the word "mainstream" here) at times. But there's a time and place for everything.
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xtopher
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 21:19 |
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I love Vai, but Satch is one of my favorite all-time musicians, so Satch.
Yes, they're both master songwriters. However, I don't know if I'd say that Vai is superior technically; he's much quicker to display his chops than Satch is, while Satch is more careful to keep his phrasing more deliberate and tasteful. Vai is more experimental and varied, but his biggest weakness is that his albums are a little inconsistent. On the other hand, Satch usually remains within a specific blues/rock style (which sometimes bugs me), but he is incredibly good at getting you to feel the precise emotion or vibe he wants you to feel. Bravo, Satch!
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 16:17 |
Vai - he's simply more diverse.
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 15:35 |
Arsillus wrote:
Eric Johnson owns both of them. |
Not really - he fits nicely. Do you know that Eric Johnson released his last album on Vai's label?
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Arsillus
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 14:34 |
Eric Johnson owns both of them.
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Empathy
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 14:18 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
MANDRAKEROOT wrote:
Sincerely... Variani!!! |
Or even better:
G3
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Yeah, but which one?
JoStevEric VaiJohnIani?
JoJohnSteve PetrIaniVai?
or
JoSteveWie VaIaniSteen?
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Pure Brilliance:
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 13:42 |
MANDRAKEROOT wrote:
Sincerely... Variani!!! |
Or even better: G3
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 12:24 |
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Sincerely... Variani!!!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 07:35 |
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I don't understand why many people say that Satriani writes better melodies than Vai. Vai is a true master of songwriting. Most of his songs are really well balanced - very diverse, great shredding, great sparse parts, mellow, aggressive - everything.
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 07:28 |
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Vai. Satch would be so much better if his drumbeats were interesting and didn't only provide a feeble frame for his guitarwork.
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imoeng
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 07:24 |
just want to bring this poll again, lol...
satriani is better in terms of musicality, more beautiful songs.. on the other hand, vai is better in technical ability.... if you mix both, you'll see John Petrucci... 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 09 2006 at 07:21 |
Space Dimentia wrote:
My mate is a Vai boy througha nd through and I do admit I like abit of Vai but I am persoanlly more inclinded towards Satch simply becuase he is a little more blusey and he writes his music like songs so you can hum them. Yet they both rank in my top 10 fav guitarists. |
You surely can also hum Vai songs ... they're just generally more complex than Satriani songs. Vai: (slight) overstatement, Satriani: (slight) understatement.
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ANDREW
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Posted: March 09 2006 at 07:20 |
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