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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 10:23
NO NO I´m still a Dirty Old Man
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 10:24
Guess I should start ANOTHER useless thread

On the other hand......... NOooooo
    

Edited by Velvetclown - May 10 2006 at 10:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 10:27
LOL It's funny how a thread can go from the "Da Vinci Code" to premature ejaculation.  I love it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 10:28
Well........It takes some doing....but we are very flexible in here
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 11:04
Originally posted by man@arms man@arms wrote:

LOL It's funny how a thread can go from the "Da Vinci Code" to premature ejaculation.  I love it!
 
Quite a relevant link
 
Vatican >> priest >> no sex >> premature ejaculation under their robes and thinking about their fictional godsWink
 
Elementary my Dear WatsonWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 11:09
Da Vinci code = BOGUS! Thumbs Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 11:16
Originally posted by man@arms man@arms wrote:

[IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> It's funny how a thread can go from the "Da Vinci Code" to premature ejaculation.  I love it!


Well, it is a load of old w&nk!


     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 11:21
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Ron Howards film of Dan Browns 'Davinci Code' opens on May the 19th in the UK. The film is causing uproar. The Opus Dei catholic sect is demanding that the film has a disclaimer making it clear that it is a work of fiction. The book and film portray the sect as a dark and sinister organisation who self harm and abuse others. The Vatican is also launching a counter PR offensive. Director Ron Howard says it should be obvious to anyone that it is fictional, and that spy thrillers dont need disclaimers. The film stars Tom Hanks as a Harvard scholar entwined in a murder mystery which points to an alternative history of Christianity. Is the controversy justifed, or should the church butt out??              

 

Only the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Opus dei represents the most absurdly and integrist current of Catholic faith and are thouroughly hateble although I think there are more dangerous christian sects around >> Scientology  for ex.

if you listen to Opus Dei you should go to mass everyday in Latin and the priest turning his back on the communiants etc...

 

This alternative christian history is however a bit of loch ness monster and subject to a bunch od fantasies! I call these stories Vat-Fi (Vatican Fiction)

 

Thing is that those new testaments or Evangiles were actually written some 400 years after the prophet's death, completely manypulated by the so-called authorities who decided that such and such verse should be interpreted as they see it and no other way[IMG]height=17 alt=Dead src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>


We have an MP who is a member of Opus Dei. I think it's Ruth Kelly (perhaps someone can confirm) Whatever her name is she's just been put in charge of equality, tolerance and all things nice, which is ironic as Opus Dei loathe homosexuals, and Kelly has abstained from numerous commons votes on issues to improve equality for gays and lesbiens. Nice choice of minister Tony!



Scientology? Is that anything to do with Christianity. I dont know much about it, but I thought it's founder L.Ron Hubbard only registered it as a religion to elude the tax man at the time??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 11:38
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by man@arms man@arms wrote:

[IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> It's funny how a thread can go from the "Da Vinci Code" to premature ejaculation.  I love it!


Well, it is a load of old w&nk!


     
 
Clap I'm inclined to agree!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 11:53
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by man@arms man@arms wrote:

LOL It's funny how a thread can go from the "Da Vinci Code" to premature ejaculation.  I love it!
 
Quite a relevant link
 
Vatican >> priest >> no sex >> premature ejaculation under their robes and thinking about their fictional godsWink
 
Elementary my Dear WatsonWink
 
LOL Thanks mate, I hadn't thought about it like that!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 13:30
It should be banned. Not because of the church, but just because it was a terrible book that should be forgotten forever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 13:50
The church is always making mountains out of a molehill. Da Vinci code is a fictional story. There are many movies about Russian mafia attempting to rule the world and U.S. government hiding UFO spaceships. Nobody starts crusades against it.  Is it  wrong to say that a man had a child?  When a bishop speaks about evil satanists it is  OK, when a  writer  writes about  evil Opus Dei it is  wrong?
Myth against myth.
Religions teach  obout heavens and hells, gods and demons just like it's 100% sure. No trace of proof. But when you don't wear a black/white long dress and a funny cap you're not allowed to tell your legends.
One book is good, another book is bad. Just like kids arguing about who built the best sand castle.Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 13:54

I have read the disclaimer that Opus Dei is demanding to be added at the beginning of the film and it GIVES away the complete clue of the story! At least I know it is the clue, because I have read the book couple of months ago.

Nevertheless, I'm still going to see this film in cinema very soonBig smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 14:00
I've always been a sucker for thrillers and detective stories with a religious theme,even if it is all a load of old guff. Must be the Catholic brainwashing I received as a child......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 19:39
The church should butt out. I don't see the big deal with some dude's book about his ideas of Jesus. It's just the latest thing for the church to condemn. Just out of curiosity, do they endorse/like anything, because all I hear is the latest condemnation. Maybe they're making some noise to be heard because no one would listen to them otherwise.
 
But for the record, I enjoyed the book and will be enjoying the movie shortly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 20:07
Erm, they're not his thoughts on Jesus though are they?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 20:12
Velvy's right for once
anyway the book is overrated
and Tom Hanks?
that just killed it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2006 at 21:05
Originally posted by Arsillus Arsillus wrote:

Just out of curiosity, do they endorse/like anything

Yes. It doesn't make very interesting news, though...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2006 at 00:22
Setting aside any notion of whether religion is fiction (VC - nice to see the leopard hasn't changed his spots!  LOL), or even whether The Da Vinci Code is fiction or what is being called "faction," the real question, as posed at the beginning, is: what is/should be the "Christian" reaction to the book.
 
As the resident minister (LOL), it might surprise you to find that I agree with the majority: tempest in a teapot.  Indeed, I will go further and state that any "Christian" who gets "bent out of shape" every time an alternative/controversial view of any aspect of Christianity comes along - The Da Vinci Code, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Life of Brian, Dogma, Mary, etc. - shows a weakness of faith.  (Indeed, one could argue that such a reaction lacks humility, forgiveness and patience - three of the most important tenets of Jesus' ministry.)  Those with strong faith can "take a joke," or simply "accept," and not get their back up in such cases.
 
That said, there are two caveats.  First, there is a difference between being satiric or irreverent and being insulting and profane.  As the site rules suggest, "profanity" - the conscious, deliberate, spiteful or malicious denigration of another person's faith or strongest-held belief system - is inappropriate and wrong; there is no excuse for it, and any reaction it does provoke is understandable.
 
Second, the real "problem" with "faction" like The Da Vinci Code is that it sets up a sort of "historical revisionism" that can be dangerous for those with little knowledge.  As we all know, perception can be more powerful than reality, and when something is as pervasively popular as The Da Vinci Code, the danger of such "perception"' is increased.  Just as 17% of the American public still believes that there was a direct link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda (despite that claim having been totally and thoroughly debunked even in the most right-wing publications) simply as a result of the constant repetition and reiteration of that claim (despite any solid evidence to support it), popular books/films like The Da Vinci Code are likely to leave the impression/perception that many of the fictional elements are fact.  [As an aside, the spiritual "danger" of books like The Da Vinci Code to those who are "new" to the faith are even greater.  However, that is a separate subject.]
 
This does not mean that debates about the history of Christianity are bad: indeed, such debates tend to strengthen the "foundational" truths (and yes, there are foundational truths) of the orthodox "Judeo-Christian construct," even if some of what we "know" about that history is incorrect.  However, the replacing of those foundational truths and/or widely-accepted scholarly beliefs/truths with "faction" that has little or no evidentiary surpport is not a good thing.
 
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Edited by maani - May 11 2006 at 00:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2006 at 07:17

^^

Maani said it all!Clap
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