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    Posted: May 03 2006 at 18:26
Just heard them for the first time on Planet Prog, curious to hear other peoples opinions - I thought they were quite good.
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Good pop metal band, but only an average group (in terms of music in general). Their best album IMO s the last one. I don't know what this group is doing here in PA. Tarja's good look and voice was the cause of their sucess. But I hink Simone Simmons is hotter and sings better, although she doesn't have the same potence of Tarja.
 
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Nightwish isn't very highly regarded here it seems. I happen to enjoy them. They've put out a string of solid albums from Oceanborn through Century Child, but Once is a masterpiece. The group kicked the vocalist out, so I don't see a bright future for them; at least they put out the aforementioned record first.
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I like them a lot.  Quite happy they kicked out the prima-donna, her voice was generic. 

They spawned a whole host of imitators.  I prefer the gothic metal/female voice + male rough singers.  Tristania for example, or Siebenburgen.

Would certainly agree they aren't prog at all.


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I don't see why you see nothing prog in them at all. If the blending of opera and metal isn't prog enough (not that they've done it the best), at least Once can obtain credit for having material with unconventional arrangements, and a full orchestra & choir. Songs like "Creek Mary's Blood" and "Ghost Love Score" are brilliant, definitely prog, and the former is pretty experimental (especially for them). Up until Once, I would agree that all of their albums lacked variety.

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I can't get past the vocals, musically theyre great.
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I saw them live last year, they put on an excellent show. They did a Floyd cover of High hopes (or something like that) if I remember correctly.
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I like Nightwish a lot, especially the first two albums (Angels Fall First and Oceanborn) . I think that allthough it's not the pinnacle of prog, they have their prog moments (e.g. Stargazers of Oceanborn) and Tarja was a fantastic singer. I love her voice. Also, Swanheart of Oceanborn is one of my fav. ballads of all time. In general I like very much the combination of operatic vocals with solid rock.
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Alright band. Nothing amazing in my opinion. Nothing prog about them either.
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A friend of mine got me into them some time ago. I heard some songs from their previous albums and I have thier last album, Once. It's a very good album indeed and they released some good songs in their time.

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Originally posted by moodyxadi moodyxadi wrote:

Good pop metal band, but only an average group (in terms of music in general). Their best album IMO s the last one. I don't know what this group is doing here in PA. Tarja's good look and voice was the cause of their sucess. But I hink Simone Simmons is hotter and sings better, although she doesn't have the same potence of Tarja.
 
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I think Rhapsody is progressive...and other bands dont qualifiy..you need to name them.
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For me Nightwish i s a good band, as posts aboves said, maybe the highest point of them is Tarja`s voice, but she isn`t there anymore, it could be bad for the band, but musically they are good, some dark metal, with some prog tones...

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I downloaded a bunch of Nightwish songs,listened to them once then I deleted them. Thats what I think of Nightwish they are nothing but tripe who waisted my time downloading their stuff Wink
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They're a fun band, but not prog. Tarja's vocals were certainly distinctive (for a band that plays metal) but not the cornerstone of the band - that would be Tuomas Holopainen. Although Tarja sings very well, sometimes the vocals detracted from the music. I suspect that they'll have another singer before long though:

http://www.nightwish.com/en/article/8

http://www.nightwish.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=28079
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THEY ARE GOOD .BUT IF YOU LIKE IT YOU SHOULD TRY EDENBRIGE.THEY ARE MORE PROG AND THE SINGER IS BETTER .SHE HAVE A MORE CLEAR VOICE .IMO.
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Originally posted by Masque Masque wrote:

I downloaded a bunch of Nightwish songs,listened to them once then I deleted them. Thats what I think of Nightwish they are nothing but tripe who waisted my time downloading their stuff Wink

100 % agreed , i once went to a concert of them, now that was a mistake Dead.Couldn't stand the mannerisms of Tarja Turunen who was continually shouting "come on" at the audience. i was back at the bar real soon that evening.
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Although it's definitely not a prog rock band, I really like them a lot. They have quite a lot of good songs and Once is a great album. I saw them last year on tour and they were great, they even did a Pink Floyd cover with the song 'High Hopes (beautiful! Big smile). I like Once and Wishmaster best, but unfortunately, Wishmaster was stolen from my friend's car Unhappy They also stole his 'Dark Side of the Moon' (Pink Floyd) and 'Subsurface' (Threshold). Anyway (I'm going off-topic) try Once and Wishmaster and you won't be dissapointed!
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Originally posted by Masque Masque wrote:

I downloaded a bunch of Nightwish songs,listened to them once then I deleted them. Thats what I think of Nightwish they are nothing but tripe who waisted my time downloading their stuff Wink


That hardly shows adequate perseverence, at least not to form a lasting impression of the bands music. I'm only just beginning to like albums that I've had for years, so 1 listen hardly seems adequate. To me at least.

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100 % agreed , i once went to a concert of them, now that was a mistake Dead.Couldn't stand the mannerisms of Tarja Turunen who was continually shouting "come on" at the audience. i was back at the bar real soon that evening.


Perhaps you should try listening to the CDs, if you didn't like the mannerisms of the front-woman. I'm not saying that you will like them, but I'm getting an overall impression that a lot of people in this thread aren't giving Nightwish enough time before making some pretty harsh judgements.


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Points: 21505 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2006 at 09:40
For me the matter is simple: I cannot "connect" with Tarja. I know that she didn't write the music - she just "performed" with Nightwish. I agree that the music (particularly on Once) is not bad at all, but it leaves me cold.

I enjoy these much more:
- The Gathering
- Epica
- After Forever
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