Nightwish
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Topic: Nightwish
Posted By: Tychovski
Subject: Nightwish
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 18:26
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Just heard them for the first time on Planet Prog, curious to hear other peoples opinions - I thought they were quite good. ------------- Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974, it's a scientific fact. |
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 18:42
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Good pop metal band, but only an average group (in terms of music in general). Their best album IMO s the last one. I don't know what this group is doing here in PA. Tarja's good look and voice was the cause of their sucess. But I hink Simone Simmons is hotter and sings better, although she doesn't have the same potence of Tarja.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 18:45
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Nightwish isn't very highly regarded here it seems. I happen to enjoy them. They've put out a string of solid albums from Oceanborn through Century Child, but Once is a masterpiece. The group kicked the vocalist out, so I don't see a bright future for them; at least they put out the aforementioned record first. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Serguilloche
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 18:50
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I like them a lot. Quite happy they kicked out the prima-donna, her voice was generic. They spawned a whole host of imitators. I prefer the gothic metal/female voice + male rough singers. Tristania for example, or Siebenburgen. Would certainly agree they aren't prog at all. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Serguilloche/?chartstyle=Bubbles"> 
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 18:56
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I don't see why you see nothing prog in them at all. If the blending of opera and metal isn't prog enough (not that they've done it the best), at least Once can obtain credit for having material with unconventional arrangements, and a full orchestra & choir. Songs like "Creek Mary's Blood" and "Ghost Love Score" are brilliant, definitely prog, and the former is pretty experimental (especially for them). Up until Once, I would agree that all of their albums lacked variety. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 18:57
| I can't get past the vocals, musically theyre great. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 19:31
| I saw them live last year, they put on an excellent show. They did a Floyd cover of High hopes (or something like that) if I remember correctly. |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 20:05
| I like Nightwish a lot, especially the first two albums (Angels Fall First and Oceanborn) . I think that allthough it's not the pinnacle of prog, they have their prog moments (e.g. Stargazers of Oceanborn) and Tarja was a fantastic singer. I love her voice. Also, Swanheart of Oceanborn is one of my fav. ballads of all time. In general I like very much the combination of operatic vocals with solid rock. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 20:10
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Alright band. Nothing amazing in my opinion. Nothing prog about them either. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 21:46
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A friend of mine got me into them some time ago. I heard some songs
from their previous albums and I have thier last album, Once. It's a
very good album indeed and they released some good songs in their time.
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Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 22:22
I think Rhapsody is progressive...and other bands dont qualifiy..you need to name them.
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moodyxadi wrote:Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 22:30
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For me Nightwish i s a good band, as posts aboves said, maybe the highest point of them is Tarja`s voice, but she isn`t there anymore, it could be bad for the band, but musically they are good, some dark metal, with some prog tones... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 23:23
I downloaded a bunch of Nightwish songs,listened to them once then I deleted them. Thats what I think of Nightwish they are nothing but tripe who waisted my time downloading their stuff 
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Posted By: DrGoon
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 23:30
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They're a fun band, but not prog. Tarja's vocals were certainly distinctive (for a band that plays metal) but not the cornerstone of the band - that would be Tuomas Holopainen. Although Tarja sings very well, sometimes the vocals detracted from the music. I suspect that they'll have another singer before long though: http://www.nightwish.com/en/article/8 http://www.nightwish.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=28079 |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 01:02
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THEY ARE GOOD .BUT IF YOU LIKE IT YOU SHOULD TRY EDENBRIGE.THEY ARE MORE PROG AND THE SINGER IS BETTER .SHE HAVE A MORE CLEAR VOICE .IMO. ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 03:52
100 % agreed , i once went to a concert of them, now that was a mistake  .Couldn't stand the mannerisms of Tarja Turunen who was continually shouting "come on" at the audience. i was back at the bar real soon that evening. |
Posted By: disastercasper
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 05:24
Although it's definitely not a prog rock band, I really like them a lot. They have quite a lot of good songs and Once is a great album. I saw them last year on tour and they were great, they even did a Pink Floyd cover with the song 'High Hopes (beautiful!  ). I like Once and Wishmaster best, but unfortunately, Wishmaster was stolen from my friend's car  They also stole his 'Dark Side of the Moon' (Pink Floyd) and 'Subsurface' (Threshold). Anyway (I'm going off-topic) try Once and Wishmaster and you won't be dissapointed!
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 07:35
That hardly shows adequate perseverence, at least not to form a lasting impression of the bands music. I'm only just beginning to like albums that I've had for years, so 1 listen hardly seems adequate. To me at least.
Perhaps you should try listening to the CDs, if you didn't like the mannerisms of the front-woman. I'm not saying that you will like them, but I'm getting an overall impression that a lot of people in this thread aren't giving Nightwish enough time before making some pretty harsh judgements. |
Posted By: disastercasper
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 09:33
Your signature is really scary, Forgotten Son 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 09:40
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For me the matter is simple: I cannot "connect" with Tarja. I know that she didn't write the music - she just "performed" with Nightwish. I agree that the music (particularly on Once) is not bad at all, but it leaves me cold.
I enjoy these much more: - The Gathering - Epica - After Forever ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to: 
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 10:23
My problem with Nightwish doesn't stem from Tarja (though I don't think she's that good) but from the instrumentation. I find it too dense and lacking in melody. I much prefer the more extreme Gothic metal bands like Sirenia.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 13:18
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^ I didn't mention these three bands just because I think the vocals are better. They also seem much more ambitioned to me - all the musicians - and they are not "selling out" like Nightwish do. A few years ago there was this huge gothic hype, with Buffy - The Vampire Slayer being very successful on the TV screen and several other fantasy series, and teenies getting interested in monsters, medieval settings, witches etc.. Bands like Evanescence and Within Temptation were hugely successful because of that (Evanescence even made a video with teenagers in the audience of a staged live concert mutating into zombies). Nightwish also optimized their music to be commercially successful, along with Stratovarius. That's my main problem with them. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: walrus333
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 16:07
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They seem awesome when you first hear them. However eventually you will realize they are only slightly better than average. This has been the case with everyone I have met who listens to them. ------------- If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 16:17
Unfortunately I started to listen to them when I already knew many, many other good bands of the genre - so for me they seemed to be pretty average right from the start.
 BTW: I think it's very important to list them here (although I would like to move them to prog related) - simply because they are very popular and have a fan base which might be interested in prog once they listen to samples. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 17:24
I've known them for a couple of years only, but lately I've heard more and more songs and I think they have some pretty good songs(creek mary's blood, nemo, ghost love score, dead gardens, end of all hope). But they are far from being a solid band: the guitarist's voice sucks  , weak songs with little emotion. They sold out but I really don't care about that.
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If you like bands like these then I recommend Sonata Arctica. Their style is quite original for a metal band, besides the lyrics and the frontman's voice are awesome. And the keyboards are intense also!
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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 17:32
I admit i have never listened to a CD of them so i was careful not to make a judgement about the quality of their music, i would only do so after several listens. Thing is i don't like Gothic metal much so it's not likely that i would enjoy listening to their CD's even after prolonged listening. The way Tarja went about it all was just so irritating that i couldn't resist the temptation to post about it now that this thread is here, sorry  . Main reason to go to the concert was that After Forever played before Nightwish. Now i know they were also a gothic metal band at that time (still with Mark Jansen in the lineup). They were so good at that time though that i enjoyed their concerts even if i not all their songs were to my taste. Unfortunelately they played for half an hour only. Should have been the other way round really. |
Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 20:00
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Well, it sort of puzzles me why Nightwish is always put forward as a 'Gothic Metal' band. They're not. It's in fact power metal with a female singer, something quite different - and not prog at all!
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 02:46
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^ I partially agree with your statement, Antennas. However, for me they are more "Gothic" now than "Power". Despite many people being irritated by Tarja's vocals, it was the uniqueness of her vocals that gave Nightwish the edge over many similar bands. I put aside any of Tarja's perceived "idiosyncrasies" and concentrate on her vocals which are not equaled by any other metal lead female vocalist - how many of them have been operatically trained? It is all a matter of taste. You either like Nightwish or you don't. I like their music. However, I think Nightwish has lost it's specialness and can only become yet another power/goth metal band that will blend in among the many that already exist. ------------- 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 03:56
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Sounds like music that could do very well in the Eurovision Song Contest to me. Maybe even win!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 05:55
Nightwish are certainly not Gothic Metal ... they're Symphonic Metal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonic_Metal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonic_Metal
But the use of the word "symphonic" in this context is quite misleading. I would rather call it "keyboard metal", at least for half of the bands in that list. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 06:10
Ehheh, they actually once participated in the competition here in Finland, but they didn't make it to the actual Eurovision contest. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 09:09
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I also have the thought that their music is kind of repetitive from album to album. Once was their best though, but overal I do not consider this to be an excellent band, more like average.. ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: huynhthean
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 09:23
I think we should call Nightwish a symphonic power metal. I've been a big fan of Nightwish since their first albums. Anyway, not too much progressive you can find in their songs. I find it weird that people here are talking about Nightwish. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 09:46
They did? Ha-ha. I'm impressed by myself. Sorry to fans of the band. This band is certainly not my cup of tea, and I won't post any more stupid remarks here. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 10:00
| I can't say I know Nightwish well, but I've heard a few of their songs, which didn't really impress me too much. Tarja's operatic vocals are not my cup of tea either, as I prefer a different singing style when it comes to female vocals. Sopranos can be very good, but I'd rather listen to, say, Jacqui McShee, Maddy Prior or the late, great Sandy Denny - not to mention two of my all-time favourite female singer-songwriters, Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush - than to a trained opera singer singing in a rock band (call it prog, metal or whatever you like). |
Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 12:57
| Fine band, and very original for their time - they pioneered that particular style of symphonic power metal with progressive edges and operatic female vocals when they released their first album in 1997, and numerous other bands have refined the formula since. However, from their third album onwards Nightwish certainly began to repeat themselves. For those who like the band but wish they were more progressive, try the Taiwanese outfit Seraphim - so similar to early and mid-period Nightwish that it almost borders on plagiarism, but with much longer, more intense and more complex songs. |
Posted By: Stars Die
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 16:40
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I happen to enjoy them quite a lot, but I don't think they are very progressive, ypu can hear Prog influences, they are not many. I actually don't agree with the label "Opera Metal" either, I don't hear many similarities with opera music. But a good band anyway, especially their first album "Angels fall first" ------------- Du Skojar om att jag Skojar men jag skojar inte alls |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 17:25
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mmm... Rapsody, Nightwish, etc... the way I see it, they are much more dedicated to explore that idea of being vampire angels that suffer ans tend to scream about it. Off course, I'm one of those that think Tool isn't prog also. Don't get me wrong, I like TOOL, but the idea I have for prog has more to do with GYBE. Meanin, less involved with the repetition of a certain pose, and more into pure music experimentation, with poetry at the level of an open meaning, instead of... ¿you know what? forget all this. It only works for me anyway... ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 17:43
Jacqui McShee, Maddy Prior, Sandy Denny  . 3 great folk rock vocalists. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: May 07 2006 at 18:11
pretty much the same- I need to add that they are pretty cheesy- when my friends and I 1st heard them- we lauged out loud.
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