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Masque 
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 Topic: Phil Collins ... A Prog Legend
Posted: April 19 2006 at 00:38 |
Heres a list of top shelf songs Genesis did without Peter gabriel
Dance on a Volcano
Blood On The Roof Tops
Entangled
Follow You Follow Me
Mad Man Moon
One For The Vine
Ripples
Squonk
Many Too Many
Snowbound
Your Own Special Way
Undertow
Afterglow
Fading Lights
Not only was Phil Collins a great drummer (as also proven with his work with Brand X) Phil proved he could take over on vocals for Genesis (can you imagine how big the shoes were that Gabriel wore that Phil would try and fill ?) Phil Collins deserves to be knighted for even trying 
So for all you people who don`t like Phil Collins how about showing some respect, after all for the Next three CD`s after Peter Gabriel left , Phil and company continued to deliver quality music .
I probably left some songs out but this list was done from my memory. 
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dagrush
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 00:50 |
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Uh, I'd have to disagree that some of those are "top shelf". The pile of crap that is "Follow you, follow me", the pile of crap that is "Your own special way", the... well, you get where I'm going.
Much like Rutherford and Banks (also guys like Squire and Oldfield, but that's a different thread) I love Phil's former period, but hate what he became.
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Masque
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 00:54 |
 dagrush wrote:
Uh, I'd have to disagree that some of those are "top shelf". The pile of crap that is "Follow you, follow me", the pile of crap that is "Your own special way", the... well, you get where I'm going.
Much like Rutherford and Banks (also guys like Squire and Oldfield, but that's a different thread) I love Phil's former period, but hate what he became.
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You need to also write songs that get some radio attention, thats buisness, and for a radio orientated tune those songs you said were perfect , plus your own special way has beauty about it I think its hacketts atmosphers . not sure and Follow you Follow me is a great song and one of the most recognised tunes Genesis ever made (check out the keys in it) sure its not prog but that doesn`t make it bad
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shanocles
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:31 |
yeah, total innovation from behind the kit here. when you strip back those ol' classics and listen to how the songs were constructed, the themes, etc, you begin to see how creative phil was in the early days.
prog legend ....... definitely
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The Miracle
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:38 |
Indeed, they are amazing albums, and he totally deserves the credit for it But did he have to ruin Genesis afterwards? 
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AngleofRepose
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 01:57 |
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Collins didn't ruin Genesis. All the band members continued writing
music that most of us progheads don't like. Even the 'backbone of
Genesis' Tony Banks contributed equally to the mainstream productions
of popular Genesis.
I hold them all equally responsible.
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Ricochet
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:01 |
will never probably give the slightest credit to Collins.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:09 |
Sorry, but since ATTW3 it was Genesis no more, it was anything.
And Your Own Special Way sucks IMO.
Iván
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 02:12 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Sorry, but since ATTW3 it was Genesis no more, it was anything.
And Your Own Special Way sucks IMO.
Iván
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haha, tell us how you really feel Ivan. 
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JayDee
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 09:49 |
A prog and a pop legend 
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dagrush
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:03 |
Masque wrote:
dagrush wrote:
Uh, I'd have to disagree that some of those are "top shelf". The pile of crap that is "Follow you, follow me", the pile of crap that is "Your own special way", the... well, you get where I'm going.
Much like Rutherford and Banks (also guys like Squire and Oldfield, but that's a different thread) I love Phil's former period, but hate what he became.
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You need to also write songs that get some radio attention, thats buisness, and for a radio orientated tune those songs you said were perfect , plus your own special way has beauty about it I think its hacketts atmosphers . not sure and Follow you Follow me is a great song and one of the most recognised tunes Genesis ever made (check out the keys in it) sure its not prog but that doesn`t make it bad
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You don't HAVE to write radio oriented tunes. Is it written somewhere that you do? Recognised? So what? Yes's most recognized song is "Owner of a lonely heart". Anyway, those aren't perfect, they're annoying. A perfect radio oriented tune is something like "Carry on wayward son" or "Schism", probably because they aren't really radio oriented.
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Heptade
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:03 |
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Damn straight. Leave Phil alone, haters.
Genesis from 70-81, Brand X, played on Eno albums etc etc. That's a pretty
good career in itself, no matter what came after.
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The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning
And all the rest is just bullsh*t
-Steve Kilbey
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Heptade
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:04 |
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Oh yeah, and Follow You Follow Me is a great tune.
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The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning
And all the rest is just bullsh*t
-Steve Kilbey
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Sharier
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:16 |
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If I'd list my fave Phil performances that would surely drop Your Own
Special Way, Follow you Follow Me, Blood on the Rooftops and Snobound
from the first list. It will start from
Mama
Home by the Sea
Me and Sarah Jane
Mad Man Moon
Supper's Ready (Seconds Out)
Carpet Crawlers (Seconds Out)
Dance on a volcano
One for the Vine
Entangled
Down and Out
Afterglow
Behind the Lines
Duchess
That's All (for its a very difficult song to sing without having your jaw aching)
Fading Lights
Unfortunately nothing 'vocal impressive' from Invisible Touch-eh (eh, I
tried singing Invisible once-- too many words in too little time made
my jaw ache)!
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Zoso
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:11 |
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I agree, those songs are great, minus Your Own Special Way, which makes me want to jump off a cliff.
People should lay off Collins. He did provide us with some great music,
is a phenominal drummer, a good singer I think...I also think it's
wrong to insult someone if their musical style changes. It's their music, not ours. They can do what they please with it, and that's what Genesis did.
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Legoman
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:18 |
Phil Collins a legend!? I think I would rather kill myself than
admit that a love sick pop rocker is a legend. I might admit that
if he continued his work with Brand X, but he didn't. His music
is static and makes me want a drowned myself in some good ol'
Magma! Hahahha...
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Masque
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:23 |
Legoman wrote:
Phil Collins a legend!? I think I would rather kill myself than admit that a love sick pop rocker is a legend. I might admit that if he continued his work with Brand X, but he didn't. His music is static and makes me want a drowned myself in some good ol' Magma! Hahahha... |
Hes a legend a bona fide legend who served prog well and gave us so much over the years. who cares if he other ideas they worked for him , worked out well
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el böthy
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:29 |
Masque wrote:
dagrush wrote:
Uh, I'd have to disagree that some of those are "top shelf". The pile of crap that is "Follow you, follow me", the pile of crap that is "Your own special way", the... well, you get where I'm going.
Much like Rutherford and Banks (also guys like Squire and Oldfield, but that's a different thread) I love Phil's former period, but hate what he became.
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You need to also write songs that get some radio attention, thats buisness, and for a radio orientated tune those songs you said were perfect , plus your own special way has beauty about it I think its hacketts atmosphers . not sure and Follow you Follow me is a great song and one of the most recognised tunes Genesis ever made (check out the keys in it) sure its not prog but that doesn`t make it bad
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I strongly disagree with that word!!!
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Chicapah
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:24 |
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Yeah, I get tired of people treating Phil like he was Yoko Ono or something. Anyone who is a success in the crazy, convoluted world that is the music business is to be admired and he did it on his terms. It's true that success breeds contempt but there are a whole lotta other musicians who sold out to a much higher degree than Mr. Collins. So there!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 17:06 |
Phil Collins ia a great drummer and decent vocalist who played and sung in a Prog band, that's all.
But to be a Prog Legend you need to have Prog songs, and honestly I don't find a single Progressive note written by Phil Collins, the remotely Prog tracks from the late albums were written by Tony.
Peter Gabriel with all his merits and being a Prog Rock icon is lumped in Prog Related, where do you all believe Phil should go judging by this standarts.
BTW: Mama IMO is anything but Prog, it's repetitive, boring and one of his worst performances, he shouts out of tomne and that laugh at thend is pretty repulsive.
Iván
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