KAYO DOT.

I feel that Kayo Dot's classification is incorrect(now they are 'Progressive Metal' on the site), because the elements of Metal in their music are present in obscure, avant-gardish forms and, with each release, in fewer quantity. For example, their second album has only one song with a 'Metal' mood(the very first track, 'Gemini...'), more sludgey than 'Metal' actually, and there is also an about 40 second long awesome grindcore part on "Aura..." However, elements of other types of prog music are much more obvious in their presence, especially those of Avant-Garde and Experimental Post-Rock. T. Driver himself distances from the 'Metal' scene with each year after the departure from 'motW', now playing modern classical music as a solo artist with a violinist, so his group's next album will probably have so few 'Metal' sides that is enough to be neglected when choice is done for the genre. I mean, for example, Mr. Bungle and Fantomas have about as much heavy influence as Kayo Dot and NOBODY ever calls them 'Progressive Metal'.

This poll was brought here by my sole decision. Please express your point of view by not only voting, but also expressing your opinion in this thread by replying. All opinions are welcome, regardless of whether you are in a Meta omission team or not.

 -- Ivan

Experimental Avant Prog

But seriously, Avant prog / RIO is probably the least problematic term with this band.

Hi Ivan,

Here take a look at what the prog metal team here is refering to in their categorization of the genre. This is only threads to demonstrate what they refer to. They did an extensive job behind the scenes. There was an enormous debate here in PA about that. There was a thread that just kept on going and going.

prog metal - new categories

prog metal: Suggest new additions

prog metal: Organizing the categories

prog metal: Addition Voting

REORGANISING prog metal

prog metal sub genres

Avestin: some of the threads I can't access, because I have no privileges. Others I've seen at some point and I think even replied from my previous account.

Mike: I somehow missed that one huge thread. I see a big discussion had been held, and I'm not sure I will have time to read and analyze the whole 41 page long thread thoroughly - can you please tell me whether the decision to divide progmetal been made or is it still under discussion with higher instances? Sorry if I am missing the answer, which could be find in that thread somewhere, I am just occupied with homework at the moment and simply check the forums every few minutes.

 -- Ivan

TheProgtologist wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: I will ask the admins again about the split of the prog metal genre ... I think the best category for Kayo Dot is: Avant/Experimental Prog Metal. Even when they remove most of the influences, they're still rooted in Metal. I agree. What the heck is the deal with trying to reclassify all these bands?

I think Ivan is right to create this poll. If he believes Kayo Dot is not Prog-Metal, he's got right to suggest to change this label. We all know how misleading can be wrong labelling on a band.

I do not know Kayo Dot in particular, so I cannot vote for anything, but I like the idea in general.

I remember myself laughing when reading that Bubu is jazz-rock, Gnidrolog is jazz-rock and Thork is folk, despite the fact that all three of these bands are purely symphonic.

Actually now, after reading this thread I got interested in Kayo Dot, which would never have happened provided "prog-metal" label remain intact, as I lost interest in metal since quite a while...

MikeEnRegalia wrote: eugene wrote: Actually now, after reading this thread I got interested in Kayo Dot, which would never have happened provided "prog-metal" label remain intact, as I lost interest in metal since quite a while... That's like saying that you lost interest in symphonic prog because of bands like Yes or Genesis. One should never think that they know all about a genre just because they know the key bands.

No one could possibly know all about genre, but I happened to know a lot about metal, as I used to be metal fan; and even now, when I am happily divorced from this genre, I have lots of friends around me, offering to listen to occasional metal album. I do not like what I hear - simple as that.

I can't see any logic in your comparison with symphonic prog and Yes or Genesis; and why would one lose interest in Symphonic prog because of them??? Quite to the contrary, after having listened to Yes or Genesis, one would fall in love with Symphonic prog and would investigate further and find more to one's likings, and the fact, that Yes or Genesis are producing not so good albums (to say the least) durind last 25 years, will fall into insignificance, comparing with what Symphonic prog has got to offer.

You, probably, are trying to imply here, that I do not like Prog Metal because I know nothing about genre except for the keys bands. I have to disillusion you. I know something about Metal and have got quite a collection of this sort, which I'm getting rid off slowly by giving presents to my younger friends and relatives. I do not like Metal on the basis of what I hear. I got to know bands like Cirkus Maximus, Heavens Cry and many others probably well before you, I listened to it and gave it away, and now my brother in law (20 years old boy) is enjoying all this stuff.

And funny thing - it seems to me that I can read between the lines in this thread: "Prog-Metal ?, oh no, they hardly can be prog-metal, they are too clever and good for this label" or something like that....

eugene wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: eugene wrote: Actually now, after reading this thread I got interested in Kayo Dot, which would never have happened provided "prog-metal" label remain intact, as I lost interest in metal since quite a while... That's like saying that you lost interest in symphonic prog because of bands like Yes or Genesis. One should never think that they know all about a genre just because they know the key bands. No one could possibly know all about genre, but I happened to know a lot about metal, as I used to be metal fan; and even now, when I am happily divorced from this genre, I have lots of friends around me, offering to listen to occasional metal album. I do not like what I hear - simple as that. I can't see any logic in your comparison with symphonic prog and Yes or Genesis; and why would one lose interest in Symphonic prog because of them??? Quite to the contrary, after having listened to Yes or Genesis, one would fall in love with Symphonic prog and would investigate further and find more to one's likings, and the fact, that Yes or Genesis are producing not so good albums (to say the least) durind last 25 years, will fall into insignificance, comparing with what Symphonic prog has got to offer.

I was only trying to say that Prog Metal is so diverse a genre that it is simply not logical to abandon it as a whole.

eugene wrote: You, probably, are trying to imply here, that I do not like Prog Metal because I know nothing about genre except for the keys bands. I have to disillusion you. I know something about Metal and have got quite a collection of this sort, which I'm getting rid off slowly by giving presents to my younger friends and relatives. I do not like Metal on the basis of what I hear. I got to know bands like Cirkus Maximus, Heavens Cry and many others probably well before you, I listened to it and gave it away, and now my brother in law (20 years old boy) is enjoying all this stuff.

I don't think you know when I got to know Heaven's Cry, so how can you say that you knew them before me? And I bought the Circus Maximus albums a few months after its release.

eugene wrote: And funny thing - it seems to me that I can read between the lines in this thread: "Prog-Metal ?, oh no, they hardly can be prog-metal, they are too clever and good for this label" or something like that....