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The Hemulen
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Topic: Do lyrics matter? Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:36 |
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Ounamahl
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:37 |
"The music’s more important but good lyrics matter too."
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:52 |
I mostly care about music, good lyrics are bonus.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:57 |
Yes, they matter a lot to me, though not as much as the music.
Really poor/offensive lyrics will cause me to avoid the song or band altogether (as with much metal and hip hip).
I am highly language oriented, in any case.![Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:57 |
Ounamahl wrote:
"The music’s more important but good lyrics matter too." |
Ditto. The music comes first, but lyrics can do a lot. I like intelligent lyrics, and sometimes I do miss some sort of Bob Dylan in prog. Great lyricists are around (e.g. Geoff Mann, Peter Hammill, Roger Waters) but not many.
I especially hate it when some good music is butchered because the main man couldn't write decent lyrics. With early Pendragon for instance. The Jewel shows Barrett's musical talents, but some of the lyrics... "Lead me, lead me, take me down, take me down, cry, don't cry, long standing hypocrites, you burned the candle at both ends, reality, reflections in my mind". Completely crazy and very annoying, but I keep listening to early Pendragon, because I really like the music. I listen to it more than to Bob Dylan, who has much better lyrics without a doubt.
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FragileDT
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:58 |
Good lyrics definitely do matter. If you have someone singing haphazardly
about a relationship with great music, it has a far less effect than if it's about
something serious.
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One likes to believe
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But glittering prizes
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Man_erg
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:59 |
It depends obviously on what the artists are trying to convey, Tangerine dream try to create a particular atmosphere with their music, If the composers can create a composition as interesting and with a balance between predictable and unpredictable twists just like a novel tries to do then so be it,
Other artists need the use of lyrics to present their message because with music it just isn't enough
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 09:08 |
The music’s more important but good lyrics matter too.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 09:26 |
Ounamahl wrote:
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Empathy
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 09:41 |
The music's more important, but bad lyrics can ruin reasonably good music.
However, if the lyrics are _intended_ to be abstract, or even absurdist, I'm fine with that.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 09:45 |
Lyrics are very important. Bad lyrics can ruin a musically good song but great words can elevate it to greatness.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 09:47 |
I'm somewhere between the last two options, where aside from a few certain vocalists, I'd rather everything be instrumental. So I went with the "afterthought" option.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 09:56 |
I believe they are just as important as the music , Nothing comes close to a prog band with a lyricist who is a poet and can play with words, where would Genesis be without the lyrics of Peter Gabriel ?
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:01 |
Then theres the other side of this topic Bands that write great music and have bad lyrics and I think The Flower Kings get my vote for that one
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:03 |
Sometimes they are important.
Im paying attention to the lyrics of the new Flower Kings album and realized that they are dark as hell!! Very unexpected indeed!
You get an attack on the music industry in hit me with a hit (cool title), evilness of men in the epic (maybe as in terrorism from islamic fundamentalism, im not sure yet), Suicide in Selfconsuming Fire, a dying child in Mommy leave the light on, NAZI criminals' view in Bavarian Skies, The Devil being jealous, and "Lucy Has a Dream" also sounds dark lyrically but Im trying to interpret it. That's only the 1st disc.
Anyways, I won't see them the same way as before now that I know what the songs are about.
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White Feather
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:09 |
Zitro wrote:
Sometimes they are important.
Im paying attention to the lyrics of the new Flower Kings album and realized that they are dark as hell!! Very unexpected indeed!
You get an attack on the music industry in hit me with a hit (cool title), evilness of men in the epic (maybe as in terrorism from islamic fundamentalism, im not sure yet), Suicide in Selfconsuming Fire, a dying child in Mommy leave the light on, NAZI criminals' view in Bavarian Skies, The Devil being jealous, and "Lucy Has a Dream" also sounds dark lyrically but Im trying to interpret it. That's only the 1st disc.
Anyways, I won't see them the same way as before now that I know what the songs are about.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:14 |
I voted that good lyrics are important too.
Lyrics (along with the singers vocalizations) can provide imagery which enhance the listening experience and help give relevance to (and/or connect) musical passages.
Great lyrics along with a great singer can really make music come alive. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy instrumental pieces as well. I even listen to quite a bit of music were I cannot understand the singer (language barrier - ie. LE ORME Felona e Sorona).
But I love great vocals,
and great vocals with great lyrics - too good.
I can't imagine The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway as an instrumental!
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:31 |
For me the music is considerably more important than the lyrics.
I also think it's more important that the singer has a good voice than that the lyrics are really smart. It's music after all.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:40 |
Here's something to think about! The lyrics on Tales From Topographic Oceans are some of my favourite, And will remain that way for a long time, In fact, Here's what my gravestone will read -
"Wait all the more regard your past School gates remind us of our class Chase all confusion away with us"
Just thought I'd say So lyrics are very important once they 'stike a chord' with me.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 10:55 |
Moogtron III wrote:
Ounamahl wrote:
"The music’s more important but good lyrics matter too." |
Ditto. The music comes first, but lyrics can do a lot. I like intelligent lyrics, and sometimes I do miss some sort of Bob Dylan in prog. Great lyricists are around (e.g. Geoff Mann, Peter Hammill, Roger Waters) but not many.
I especially hate it when some good music is butchered because the main man couldn't write decent lyrics. With early Pendragon for instance. The Jewel shows Barrett's musical talents, but some of the lyrics... "Lead me, lead me, take me down, take me down, cry, don't cry, long standing hypocrites, you burned the candle at both ends, reality, reflections in my mind". Completely crazy and very annoying, but I keep listening to early Pendragon, because I really like the music. I listen to it more than to Bob Dylan, who has much better lyrics without a doubt.
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I have always found that lyrics most are important only to lead singers.
No but really, I wanted to reinterate your point about Bob Dylan. I think that there are many good lyricists in prog but even some of its best like Hammill and Waters often have lines in a song that are just not good and stick out like a sore thumb. Welcome to the Machine is a good example.
You bought a guitar to punish your ma, medicore line but people like it And you didn't like school, and you know you're nobody's fool, dumb line and really dumb rhyme It sticks out like a line there just to rhyme So welcome to the machine. Welcome my son, welcome to the machine. classic line A+ What did you dream? It's alright we told you what to dream. classic line A+
I think this is such a mixture of brilliance and the the mundane. Notice the good lines don't rhyme.![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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