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dralan
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 18:31 |
walrus333 wrote:
If used sparengly it can be great, however if you are say Yngwie Malmsteen who feels the need to play at 200 miles per hour every second it can grow old fast. |
I agree. In the context of a song a burst of speed in a solo can be awesome, but a whole album of some ego-maniac playing 10,000,000,000 MPH is pointless and very annoying. Someone like Eric Johnson who clearly has the ability of any shredder can use speed to enhance an already tasty guitar passage. Impressive as it may be from a technical standpoint, shredding/speed metal is just flat out annoying to me. Some people can say more with one note than others can say with a trillion.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 19:02 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Sometimes I find shredding accompanied by rapid fire double pedal work (as you'll find in most speed/thrash metal) to be cathartic in a way. Maybe I have some underlying aggression to work out or something...![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
I have various moods in which I like different types of music, sometimes soft, gentle acoustic stuff or lighter poppier sound works...but sometimes I just need a band to kick some A. Ergo metal.
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If that's the case...maybe you should try listening to some HEAVY death metal...I'm thinking along the lines of, say, Morbid Angel or Hate Eternal...![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 03:37 |
When used only occasionally, they can be very powerful and meaningful(ie Marillion-The Web) when an album is full of them (ie Train of Thought) I'll hate it. I like a mix of styles in guitar solos, I like solos that show of emotion, not necesarilly talent or speed, and I like melodic stuff. Shredding is good for awhile, especially live, but it gets old really quick.
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martinprog77
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 04:25 |
sometimes it gets really borimg too much solos [espesially when are 100 solos at the same speet],you need to have a balance .
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The Ryan
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 04:45 |
Rushatlantic wrote:
To me, in prog metal, all i hear is people playing overly fast guitar solos with the same 32nd and 64th note rhythms the entire time. I don't not like them (i actually love a great speed solo (see John Petrucci), it's just that they are so repetative that i can't tell them apart. I just wish that guitarists would incourperate more chops and rhythms into their solos like they used to (Yes, Rush, Zappa, King Crimson) and then maybe throw in a few speed solos. To me, skill isn't how fast you can play. |
This is why I believe rock and roll is superior to all offbrand genres, such as metal. That's a big generalization though, metal can be great but rock and roll (with all the varying rhythm) is far more diverse.
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 05:47 |
The Ryan wrote:
Rushatlantic wrote:
To me, in prog metal, all i hear is people playing overly fast guitar solos with the same 32nd and 64th note rhythms the entire time. I don't not like them (i actually love a great speed solo (see John Petrucci), it's just that they are so repetative that i can't tell them apart. I just wish that guitarists would incourperate more chops and rhythms into their solos like they used to (Yes, Rush, Zappa, King Crimson) and then maybe throw in a few speed solos. To me, skill isn't how fast you can play. |
This is why I believe rock and roll is superior to all offbrand genres, such as metal. That's a big generalization though, metal can be great but rock and roll (with all the varying rhythm) is far more diverse.
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Yes, rock and roll is astoundingly diverse, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Cliff Richard...![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
As for shred - depends on the player. Some of it is delicious, some is random/predictable/simplistic. Also that whole "I'm faster than you" mentality is ridiculous to the extreme. Practice only to become fast enough, simply put.
That said, I think there are few really innovative guitarists out there, and I don't think you can find them in prog (bear in mind that I don't really consider fusion/RIO/Kraut/Zeuhl prog - more progressive than the symphonic bands, for example, but not prog). Most guitarists still seem to be up to their elbows in blues. I love their playing, but I really think blues is overused and holds the music back instead of propelling it. Same with jazz, actually. There are exceptions, but they seem few.
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DrWizard
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Posted: March 18 2006 at 23:38 |
speed solos sound awesome on the surface but after a while they get really redundant although they can sound cool.
I like guitarists like howe who can interchange flashy speed solos with smooth rythmic and technical solos.
although what john petrucci does amazes me especially when he
synchronizes the solos with jordan rudess (metropolis, the dance of
eternity)
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MorgothSunshine
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 04:36 |
Bj-1 wrote:
Some awesome, some awful. Depends on which band!
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hamham
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 04:46 |
el böthy wrote:
I can stand Dream theater with their fast solo´s...but when it´s all about them, like un Sym x...then no sir...that´s too much
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aw come on, it's not even all that fast >:(
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Anguiad
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 01:29 |
If you mean speed solos they can get kind of annoying after a while. But more in the mood solos, like Gilmour, are beautiful. Every guitar player has his/her own style of emotion through solos, and I agree comparing em with each other is not cool.
Don't you think there should be more bass solos?(or maybe there are and i'm not acquainted with them?) Imagine four minutes with dude Myung swinging his hair back and forth or Squire and his faces or Geddy Lee's?
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luckyman_123
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 14:30 |
Sort of the same idea as Jimmy Page,
Fast, but
Not very tasteful
at all.
Now let's go listen to real prog.
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Manunkind
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 14:38 |
that's a staggering post if I ever saw one.
(gets beaten up by the bad joke police)
![](smileys/smiley5.gif) and what's Jimmy Page doing up there?
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dagrush
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 14:43 |
Dream Theater's my favourite band, so, generally my response will be "awesome".
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mithrandir
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 16:17 |
excessive soloing is the bane of Metal, IMO some of the best Metal out there keeps this compulsory element in check if having any of it in a song at all,
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MajesterX
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 16:46 |
I love bands like symphony X and Dream Theater, and i'm not hard to please, but occaisionally I just want to skip the solos, becuase I like melody more than solo. I like them more than o.k so I voted awesome, but it the solo has no context within the song what so ever, I'm going to not like it as much.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 17:09 |
As long as it is interesting/innovative/able to retain emotion and feeling, it is fine for me. A lot of prog metal bands aren't able to though. Dream Theater is the best at it; they can all play ridiculously fast (alone or together) without compromising the song's integrity.
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 17:11 |
luckyman_123 wrote:
Not very tasteful
at all.
Now let's go listen to real prog. |
hahahha... you rock Spam man.
as for me.... annoying as hell, a reason I listen to....prog. ^^^^
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Dr Know
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 19:32 |
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I don´t like Petrucci´s shredding with Rudess doing the same thing on keyboards. I love Petrucci´s slower stuff like the guitar solo on "Lines in the sand" but when it comes to shredding Petrucci is annoying.
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Zepology101
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 19:47 |
you don't really need to have extremely fast solos to be good. ask a professional guitar player and thgey'll say anyone can play a whole bunch of notes fast, it akes a true player to make more out of one note than with 100
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W.Chuck
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 05:48 |
I love slow and fast solos, as long as they have a certain medlody and a sense.
Solos Michael Romeo, Tony MacAlpine, Marcel Coenen, Jani Liimatainen, Kirk Hammet, Stephan Forte, Uli Jon Roth, etc... are awesome.
But guitarists like Rusty Cooley or John Petrucci are just terrible when they play fast...
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