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I don't want ANY album RE-RECORDED. Remasters however are fine. As to "Pawn Hearts": It was remastered, as I said before. But I must say I don't see anything wrong with the production of "Foxtrot", "Nursery Cryme", "Tales from Topographic Oceans" or "In the Wake of Poseidon". And sometimes a remastering seems to have the opposite effect: What before sounded warm and natural suddenly sounds cold and sterile.
On the whole I must say I am not very much interested in remastering. Maybe it is because brilliance of sound doesn't interest me at all as a general rule. The best sound engineer of all is my brain. I don't like it though if an instrument becomes very difficult to hear, as is the case with the violin sometimes on High Tide's "Sea Shanties" (especially in the track "Death Warmed Up"); a remastering which accentuates the violin a little more would do the album good.


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Remasters are fine with me too but re-recording isn't loses it originality but can a remaster resolve poor sound production?
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There are some albums that I'd love to see re-recorded:

  • Shadow Gallery - Shadow Gallery
  • Ayreon - Actual Fantasy (has already been done - sounds AWESOME!)
  • Porcupine Tree - Voyage 34
  • Symphony X - Symphony X (The re-recorded version of Masquerade shows the potential!)
  • Dream Theater - WDADU
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I think the old albums have an special charm and I would not like any of them to be redone. I agree that some recordings may be improved by enhancing some instruments that can't be heard clearly, but this can be done with a remastering. A good example is Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield: I would like to hear more clearly and loud the bass (specially the first minutes of the album), but I don't like to listen to the 2002 redone version because I think that the charm of that old recording was gone.

 



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Only one album I wanted to see remastered was Steve Hackett's "Voyage of The Acolyte". I have two copies on vinyl and one on CD. The vinyl original mastering was not very good imo. My CD copy is also the non-remastered version. It sounds slightly better than the vinyl but still lacks bass and sounds "tinny" to me. If anyone has the new remastered version, I would love to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality as compared to the original masters.

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I'd love to hear Metamorfosi's Inferno redone.  Also King Crimson's Lizard release. 
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I would like to see the following albums re-recorded, with whatever technique...

A farewell to Kings - Rush



Really? What's your issue with this one?
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Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:


Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



I would like to see the following albums re-recorded, with whatever
technique...
A farewell to Kings - Rush



Really? What's your issue with this one?


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Originally posted by Ultaigh Ultaigh wrote:

Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Jethro Tull's Aqualung was mastered at a total whisper's volume for some reason; was just listening to it this morning. I'd like to hear it cleaned up.

I know, for some reason they didn't really "remaster" that album atleast not to the quality of Thick as a Brick or Songs from the Wood.

Oh..this was (is) hellishly bad...and the problem is...if i remember correctly...the origional recording studio was an abandoned church.  the studio they were recording in was overly large, thats why the volume is sooo low, they had to keep the volumes on the equiptment way down so as not to get an ass load of feedback.

The church they recorded in had a second properly constructed studio in the basement...but another more popular band...someone called THE WHO or something...occupied the better studio.

Soooo...that one could DEFINATELY use a loving remaster.

 
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A lot of albums would sound better by remixing and remastering them.  But it's mostly a money issue as to why more aren't updated.

Rerecording may not be the best approach anyway.  The sound quality might be better and more modern, but some of the nuances and characteristics that give older prog. a classic sound would be lost.

 

 
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Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

Only one album I wanted to see remastered was Steve Hackett's "Voyage of The Acolyte". I have two copies on vinyl and one on CD. The vinyl original mastering was not very good imo. My CD copy is also the non-remastered version. It sounds slightly better than the vinyl but still lacks bass and sounds "tinny" to me. If anyone has the new remastered version, I would love to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality as compared to the original masters.

Just picked it up yesterday but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, so I can't comment  
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I think there is a certain charm to the production of the early Genesis cd's that was unique to the time.  Having said that they could sound much better and would love to hear some remasters. Re-recording something implyes that there is osmething wrong with the musicans or equipment.   The only one I think i would like to hear re-recorded is Kansas first Album.  They didn't even get to use their own amps and the guitars were run through small fender studio amps and they sound like it.  (The producer was still living in the sixties) and the tape was cleaned off to reuse for some other project so no re-master is ever going to make it that much better.

 

 


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The only album I really desire to see rerecorded would be 'Vapor Trails' by Rush. An album full of fairly challenging songs that are completely muddied and unlistenable with the dense mix they applied. I really like the album, but I just cannot listen to it all the way through in a single sitting. It hurts me ears.
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The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other.

Not so much TODAY - or for 'modern technology' - but the material could have been handled much better by the band a year or so later. Oh, and the stereo mixing is absolutely appalling.
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 13:34
Not prog, but I always thought Metallica´s Master of puppets would sound much better if they re do it in 1991, when Hetfields voice was in it´s prime...but again we would have no Burton...so nevermind
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Leave them all alone. I like listening to the music as was presented at the time regardless of production flaws and lack of equipment. I even like listening to poorly recorded albums such as Earthbound or Bring Me the Head Of Yuri Gagarian by Hawkwind. All you younger guys have been spoiled by all this new technology which in many cases takes away a lot from the old anolog recordings when remastered. Hell, I still have my Micro Seiki turntable which I bought in 1979 and love listening to my old vinyl.
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Points: 232 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 14:40
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Death's Crown by Happy the Man. Now there's a fine piece of music that deserves a decent recording. If you don't know it, try and get hold of a copy, it's well worth it. The main piece is a continuous 38 minute suite that should be up there with the likes of Supper's Ready as a magnificent epic. That is isn't is mostly due to the poor quality of the only recording available.

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Originally posted by Flip_Stone Flip_Stone wrote:

Rerecording may not be the best approach anyway.  The sound quality might be better and more modern, but some of the nuances and characteristics that give older prog. a classic sound would be lost.

Not to mention that the artists are probably not in the same mindframe as they were 30 or so years ago, and much of the intensity and freshness of the original albums may be lost.

However, I've always thought that the performances on TFTO by Yes were flat, and the band made fairly interesting compositions sound absolutely boring.  I wouldn't mind hearing a new recording of that.  Plus, the band is supposedly still around with the same personnel.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Leave them all alone. I like listening to the music as was presented at the time regardless of production flaws and lack of equipment. I even like listening to poorly recorded albums such as Earthbound or Bring Me the Head Of Yuri Gagarian by Hawkwind. All you younger guys have been spoiled by all this new technology which in many cases takes away a lot from the old anolog recordings when remastered. Hell, I still have my Micro Seiki turntable which I bought in 1979 and love listening to my old vinyl.


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Originally posted by Duncan Duncan wrote:

The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other.

Not so much TODAY - or for 'modern technology' - but the material could have been handled much better by the band a year or so later. Oh, and the stereo mixing is absolutely appalling.

I'VE PURCHASED THE REMASTERED VERSION OF THE LEAST... AND YOU MUST BUY IT MY FRIEND BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY A ANOTHER ALBUM WITH THE REMASTER. THE VOICE OF PETER SOUND SO CLEAR AND LOUD. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO ALL VDGG FANS LIKE US!
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