Re-record which album?
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Topic: Re-record which album?
Posted By: Tommy
Subject: Re-record which album?
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 22:15
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If you could pick an album that could be re-recorded by original band members using today's state of the art technology which would you choose? Do you think an album could be improved by doing so? Personally I would choose ELP's debut & Foxtrot! Great albums but the production lets them down and they sound very dated now IMO! |
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 22:31
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LTIA i think the production sucks on that they don't capture enough of the violin or percussion ------------- 
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Posted By: Quadrophenia
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 22:40
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VdGG - Pawn Hearts Genesis - Nursery Cryme Mahavishnu - The Inner Mounting Flame Genesis - Trespass That's all I can think of for now, although I know there's a lot more. ------------- Can you tell me where my country lies? |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 23:03
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Shadow Gallery's first album should really be shined up, IMO! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 23:18
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Good Question Lizard-Crimso I think would be really ineresting,it would work well,its has quite a bizzare feeling to it and would sound great with todays techniques,In The Court would be nice too. All the Synth in ELP would sound Mind Blowing if re-done today. I like it all the way it is but hey, lets face it would be cool. |
Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 23:20
I think that would be Great!!! |
Bj-1 wrote:Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 23:34
| Jethro Tull's Aqualung was mastered at a total whisper's volume for some reason; was just listening to it this morning. I'd like to hear it cleaned up. |
Posted By: Ultaigh
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 00:09
I know, for some reason they didn't really "remaster" that album atleast not to the quality of Thick as a Brick or Songs from the Wood. ------------- 
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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 00:32
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I'd say Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite... the production there sucks
------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
Posted By: Paco Fox
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 03:22
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There seems to be an agreement in many fronts regarding Genesis Foxtrot and Nursery Crime, although the worst prog production ever for a major band may be in Tresspass. Not a fault in technology, but I'l love to listen to re-recodings of synth orchestral albums with a proper orchestra: The whole Enid catalogue, for instance. And The Princess Bride soundtrack, by the way. And then there's the Strawbs' 'Deja Fou'. Horrid production. And it's from 2005... |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 03:30
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Tales from the Lush Attic - IQ
More Grains of Sand - Clepsydra Shattered Image - La Tulipe Noire They're not too ANCIENT  ,but the soundproducing sucks 
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 03:49
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King crimson's Earthbond. It's my favorite live album, but unfortunately the recording was poorely done. |
Posted By: SaintVitus
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:06
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ELP's re-recording of Pictures at an Exhibition (i think it's from
1993) shows how much you can improve an old record by using state of
the art technology....IMO the new recording is so much better.
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Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:13
| Hmmmm, let me see now. Oh ya, I would really like to see Yes redo "Topographic Oceans". I think the music has all kinds of potential and after hearing The Ritual live on their latest live DVD's it's clear that the music is timeless. I think an injection of some new ideas coupled with the advancements in recording techniques would greatly enhance the masterpiece that is Topographic Oceans. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:45
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I think 'Ritual' sounded incredible in the studio- the version on 'Songs From The Tsongas', excellent though it is, sounds a little bit TOO polished and lacks the thrill of the original, or even the live versions from the 70s- I saw a clip of them playing it live with a full light show combined with the astonishing primal thrill near the end, and it looked fantastic. I don't, as a rule, believe in re-recorded versions of anything- what's done is done, and any attempt to 'better' an original will always fail to my ears- certainly in the keyboard department; many of today's instruments are a bit too slick sounding. Glad someone agrees about the Aqualung 'remaster'- to me, it sounds by far the weakest of all the Tull CDs I own, being flat, non powerful and lacking depth. Needs an overhaul, imo. |
Posted By: theBox
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:52
My Pick would be Yezda Urfa's "Sacred Baboon" Such a masterpiece and yet so depressingly underproduced....
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:09
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High Tide's "Sea Shanties" could need a remastering; the violin is sometimes very difficult to hear. Someone mentioned "Pawn Hearts"; this one was remastered (as were all other VdGG albums) and sounds very different (and better) now. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:18
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From Genesis to Revelation - sound quality and production let's it down. Stereo needs resorting, instruments need to be louder and arrangments need more organising. A Hammond would have been a treat, not that cheap organ they used.
it was a early concept effort, but the production was a let down for them. ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:24
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I would agree that the early Genesis albums have mostly bad production, but I dont think it's an issue of analog vs digital. A better producer would have made a better job of those albums with the technology available at the time. Look at the massive improvemtns David Henschell bought to the bands sound. I would like to see the following albums re-recorded, with whatever technique... Nursery Cryme - Genesis ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:28
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I feel sorry sorry for ex-Genesis drummer John Silver, they made his drumming sound so amateur, and that organ Tony Banks used on FGTR tut, tut, anyway Peter sounds great and Mike's bass is excellent, all were great but the sound production didn't give em justice. ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:39
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I don't want ANY album RE-RECORDED. Remasters however are fine. As to "Pawn Hearts": It was remastered, as I said before. But I must say I don't see anything wrong with the production of "Foxtrot", "Nursery Cryme", "Tales from Topographic Oceans" or "In the Wake of Poseidon". And sometimes a remastering seems to have the opposite effect: What before sounded warm and natural suddenly sounds cold and sterile. On the whole I must say I am not very much interested in remastering. Maybe it is because brilliance of sound doesn't interest me at all as a general rule. The best sound engineer of all is my brain. I don't like it though if an instrument becomes very difficult to hear, as is the case with the violin sometimes on High Tide's "Sea Shanties" (especially in the track "Death Warmed Up"); a remastering which accentuates the violin a little more would do the album good. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:47
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Remasters are fine with me too but re-recording isn't loses it originality but can a remaster resolve poor sound production? ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:48
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There are some albums that I'd love to see re-recorded:
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Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:10
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I think the old albums have an special charm and I would not like any of them to be redone. I agree that some recordings may be improved by enhancing some instruments that can't be heard clearly, but this can be done with a remastering. A good example is Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield: I would like to hear more clearly and loud the bass (specially the first minutes of the album), but I don't like to listen to the 2002 redone version because I think that the charm of that old recording was gone.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:30
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Only one album I wanted to see remastered was Steve Hackett's "Voyage of The Acolyte". I have two copies on vinyl and one on CD. The vinyl original mastering was not very good imo. My CD copy is also the non-remastered version. It sounds slightly better than the vinyl but still lacks bass and sounds "tinny" to me. If anyone has the new remastered version, I would love to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality as compared to the original masters. ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:45
| I'd love to hear Metamorfosi's Inferno redone. Also King Crimson's Lizard release. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:40
Really? What's your issue with this one? |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:46
Yeah I've always found the production on Rush albums from 2112 and on sound great. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: rushfan6588
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 12:32
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Oh..this was (is) hellishly bad...and the problem is...if i remember correctly...the origional recording studio was an abandoned church. the studio they were recording in was overly large, thats why the volume is sooo low, they had to keep the volumes on the equiptment way down so as not to get an ass load of feedback. The church they recorded in had a second properly constructed studio in the basement...but another more popular band...someone called THE WHO or something Soooo...that one could DEFINATELY use a loving remaster.
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Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 12:47
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A lot of albums would sound better by remixing and remastering them. But it's mostly a money issue as to why more aren't updated. Rerecording may not be the best approach anyway. The sound quality might be better and more modern, but some of the nuances and characteristics that give older prog. a classic sound would be lost.
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Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 12:52
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Just picked it up yesterday but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, so I can't comment ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 12:55
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I think there is a certain charm to the production of the early Genesis cd's that was unique to the time. Having said that they could sound much better and would love to hear some remasters. Re-recording something implyes that there is osmething wrong with the musicans or equipment. The only one I think i would like to hear re-recorded is Kansas first Album. They didn't even get to use their own amps and the guitars were run through small fender studio amps and they sound like it. (The producer was still living in the sixties) and the tape was cleaned off to reuse for some other project so no re-master is ever going to make it that much better.
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Posted By: DantesRing
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 12:57
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The only album I really desire to see rerecorded would be 'Vapor
Trails' by Rush. An album full of fairly challenging songs that are
completely muddied and unlistenable with the dense mix they applied. I
really like the album, but I just cannot listen to it all the way
through in a single sitting. It hurts me ears.
------------- I'm the shadow man, the jumping jack The man who can, but won't look back |
Posted By: Duncan
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 13:20
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The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other. Not so much TODAY - or for 'modern technology' - but the material could have been handled much better by the band a year or so later. Oh, and the stereo mixing is absolutely appalling. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 13:34
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Not prog, but I always thought Metallica´s Master of puppets would sound much better if they re do it in 1991, when Hetfields voice was in it´s prime...but again we would have no Burton...so nevermind
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 13:54
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Leave them all alone. I like listening to the music as was presented at
the time regardless of production flaws and lack of equipment. I even
like listening to poorly recorded albums such as Earthbound or Bring Me
the Head Of Yuri Gagarian by Hawkwind. All you younger guys have been
spoiled by all this new technology which in many cases takes away a lot
from the old anolog recordings when remastered. Hell, I still have my
Micro Seiki turntable which I bought in 1979 and love listening to my
old vinyl.
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Posted By: ElwoodHerring
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 14:40
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I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Death's Crown by Happy the Man. Now there's a fine piece of music that deserves a decent recording. If you don't know it, try and get hold of a copy, it's well worth it. The main piece is a continuous 38 minute suite that should be up there with the likes of Supper's Ready as a magnificent epic. That is isn't is mostly due to the poor quality of the only recording available.
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 14:50
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Not to mention that the artists are probably not in the same mindframe as they were 30 or so years ago, and much of the intensity and freshness of the original albums may be lost. However, I've always thought that the performances on TFTO by Yes were flat, and the band made fairly interesting compositions sound absolutely boring. I wouldn't mind hearing a new recording of that. Plus, the band is supposedly still around with the same personnel. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 14:57
Are you waving your cane at us right now?  |
Posted By: TURK182!
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 15:25
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I'VE PURCHASED THE REMASTERED VERSION OF THE LEAST... AND YOU MUST BUY IT MY FRIEND BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY A ANOTHER ALBUM WITH THE REMASTER. THE VOICE OF PETER SOUND SO CLEAR AND LOUD. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO ALL VDGG FANS LIKE US! ------------- "A Flower!!!" "If you go down to Willow farm, you look for Butterflies..." |
Posted By: Ounamahl
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 15:51
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What a coincidence! I just though today that what would it sound if
some Genesis albums would be re-recorded. Supergreat!? Well I don't
know :D Foxtrot firstly.
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Posted By: Madkinski
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 17:05
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As far as Metallica goes, ...And Justice For All needs re-doing more than anything they've ever done. Not only is it the closest they ever came to progressive songs or arrangements, but the album LITERALLY has no bass guitar.
I also agree about Aqualung. It surprises me that other Tull albums have such warm sounds and pristine, lovely re-master packaging - whilst Aqualung, the album most heralded as the Tull album to own (Of course, that SHOULD be Heavy Horses), hasn't a decent sound or special crazy anniversary edition or anything. Maybe it does and I'm just not aware.
I also think the SONG Going For the One could be much better sounding. |
Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 19:00
A friend of mine bought some years ago a remastered version of Aqualung with a nice packaging and some extra stuff including an interview with Ian Anderson. I had the original Aqualung, and now I also have a copy of that remastered version that actually sounds much better. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 11:54
| Hmm, I'm pretty sure the version I have is the one with all the extra tracks, and the interview with Anderson. If that's the remaster... I can't imagine what the original sounded like! It's one of the few CD's I have in which I have to literally crank the volume to even hear anything! |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 12:03
EASY ------------- |
Posted By: hawkbrock
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 13:27
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First 2 Beefheart albums, as the retard producer dated them with phasing effects. ------------- 
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 13:35
^dude- are you tripping? ------------- |
Posted By: VanBuren
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 13:43
vapor trails
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Posted By: hawkbrock
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 13:47
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I'm tripping off my signature lol. -------------
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Posted By: ____VdGG____
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 13:56
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-Trespass
-A Saucerful Of Secrets -the KC bootleg Live At the Zoom Club (I know it's not a real album but it has some amazing tracks including a 45 minute long improv track, but the sound quality just blows) -any of the first era VdGG albums (excluding Aerosol) ------------- Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams; Mind and machinery box-press our dreams |
Posted By: Gomurisu
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 14:07
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As Madkinski said, Metallica's ...And Justice for All really needs some re-doing. It sounds like the whole album is recorded in a phone booth leaving Jason outside. Yet, it is a great album. Aqualung is also and album which's sound quality is pretty poor compared with some other Tull albums. Foxtrot has also got that problem. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Phoenix_/?chartstyle=RecordArmMonochrome"> 
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Posted By: luckyman_123
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 14:34
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TFTO...Wakeman always talks about how it would have been so much more concise now... Then again, it's already pretty amazing. |
Posted By: ldlanberg
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 19:37
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I've always thought that Genesis Trespass contained their most sincere music --- this was a time when their compositions were not contaminated by the whims of producers (or demanding fans for that matter...they didn't really have any fans then). Trespass was them just playing what they wrote. But the music on this album was not done much justice by the primitive recording of it. I like to imagine what Trespass would have sounded like, if the band would have re-recorded it at later time, say during the Selling England [..] period when their technical capabilites were better advanced. But we'll never know... ------------- LDL |
Posted By: Zepology101
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 19:59
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I've never actually heard it, but my brother was talking about this one soft machine album.... the lords of canteburry i think. he said the sound quality wasn't all that GREAT. I'll listen to it to find it out.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 26 2006 at 06:24
There are number of issues with this album, and not all relate to its production. I did think the production was inferior to both 2112 and Hemispheres, it seemed to dry, and the top end can disort badly when played a volume. The vinyl was especially bad for this. Apart from that, although the songs are gerat - in some cases some of Rush's best ever - some of Alex's guitar playing seems rough and hurried. I think he was trying to perfect a less typical rock guitar sound at the time - almost a punk rhythim guitar sound - but his playing just doesn't seem as sharp and accurate as it was on 2112 and Hemispheres. Geddy's keyboards are also badly out of tune, especially on Cygnus X-1. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: alterpower
Date Posted: March 26 2006 at 22:21
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In The Court would be great to hear with all the bells and whistles of modern
production technology.  ------------- Oh I don't know [incert activity] but I did listen to a prog album last night. |
Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: March 26 2006 at 22:26
I completely agree |
Posted By: Forkface
Date Posted: April 02 2006 at 16:35
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My vote would go to NEKTAR's "Sounds Like This". It is an amazing collection of songs. It is a Live-In The Studio album, but it sounds like it was recorded Live-In The Basement. The official Nektar website says a Remaster is in the works, so let's be hopefull they can do something with it. |
Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: April 02 2006 at 23:36
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Ouch, I would love to listen to that but I never listen to ELP's Pictures, so I can listen to the original without hearing, born in lifes fire in the back of my head. |
Posted By: mortem
Date Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:09
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Opeth's Orchid
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Posted By: stechell
Date Posted: April 03 2006 at 16:06
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I'm not keen on re-recordings. There's one terrible example on how new technologies and their abuse when it reaches old musicians' hands may produce. CARAVAN "Travelling Ways" HMMMM...now thinking about it, maybe Rush are good candidates...Instrumentals or a good new vocalist, leaving The Witch as a bass player and not destroying their great music!!. |
. I almost cried when listened to the new versions of their classics. What a terrible experience!!! Please, keep the originals as they are. Remasters are fine!!! 
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 03 2006 at 18:18
| Wakeman's Journey To The Centre Of The Earth : such a great album with such a lousy production. |
Posted By: bigjoeagago
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 06:33
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 12:24
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As a fan of BJH i have to say it's their "River of Dreams" I'd like to see and have re-recorded... by the remaining "living three" original members, ifever they get back together again... I like the songs but not the album/its sound/its production and I always thought "well... with Woolly..." but that seems to remain a dream ! ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: sm sm
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 15:24
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Kansas' In the spirit of things. Too many 80's Miami Vice/Flock of Seagulls synth production elements, which is unfortunate because the songwriting and performance is excelllent. The same goes for albums made by Caravan, Strawbs and Rennaisance to name a few in the late 70's/early 80's that suffered from New Wave production. As for Kansas, they should have changed the vocalist about 10 years ago as Steve Walsh lost it. Their comeback: Somewhere to Nowhere on Magna Carta reveals this |
Posted By: kebjourman
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 15:37
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'oar' by skip spence. not prog, but i like it nonetheles. id love it if the recording was better. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 15:43
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My Fruit Psychobells... A Seed Combustible definitely. -- Ivan |
Posted By: Sibbe
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 16:42
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How about Mike Oldfield re-recording Tubular Bells ? ------------- "I came here for a party and what do I get? Nothing. Not even ice cream." |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 03:14
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Oh yes, so much good music in the 70's that would sound so much better with better recording equipment. Then of course, who ever is at the helm of the recording equipment can still mailto:f@&% - mess it up. I have some recordings from the 50's that are very very good. All jazz and classical. Proof that it could be done. Most pop and rock is very badly recorded. Some jazz and classical recordings in the here and now are incredible sounding. |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 06:25
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Yes, I've heard that one. Although it is a fair good job, it's just not the original one has been listening to for years. Of course one does not have to hear the original to KNOW how a re-recording can be. I recently purchased a 1991 re-recording of Banco's "Darwin" (silly me, I thought it was just a remaster) and I can tell that the music must be very diferent from the 1973 masterpiece. It's just so "plastic" that it can hardly be called good. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 06:35
This thread should belong to the tech talk section IMO. Remastered CDs MAY sound better than former versions whereas it can be worst –especially when they bumped the low which results in a dribbling low-. No absolute rule. Some are great, like the Caravan and the Camel DERAM remasters. |