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Poll Question: Is it correct taht the album has fallen down to the 4th place?
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ok, I'll say no more here.
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Its better than the three albums above it but not as good as Number 38 IMO
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Originally posted by Harold Demure Harold Demure wrote:

Of course this list can't be taken seiously in prog world - we all know which are our own favourtie bands, but I'm not talking about prog world! I'm talking about that if someone who didn't know prog would listen to Close To The Edge (because it's on the first place of the list) it would discourage him to the music probably. Eg. I'm trying to convince my friend to prog but I said: if you want something that will really impress you - Genesis! That list IMO should play such a role that it helps people to get into prog music. OK. Maybe I'm wrong...


Actually I think you are wrong. It would probably NOT discourage him if Close to the Edge was his first encounter with prog, of  course if he has an open mind. You are definately in the minority when it comes to this !
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Another vote for the imaginary "don't care" option
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Not only has this site now lost all credibility, prog itself has also!

How can a sh*tty album like SEBTP be considered to be the best that prog can offer
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Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Not only has this site now lost all credibility, prog itself has also!

How can a sh*tty album like SEBTP be considered to be the best that prog can offer

Whats your favourite sh*tty album?
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Not only has this site now lost all credibility, prog itself has also!

How can a sh*tty album like SEBTP be considered to be the best that prog can offer

Whats your favourite sh*tty album?

None of the sh*t currently on your playlist
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Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Not only has this site now lost all credibility, prog itself has also!

How can a sh*tty album like SEBTP be considered to be the best that prog can offer

Whats your favourite sh*tty album?

None of the sh*t currently on your playlist

What is the worst thing on my playlist?
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Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

Not only has this site now lost all credibility, prog itself has also!

How can a sh*tty album like SEBTP be considered to be the best that prog can offer

For God's sake, this guy doesn't have blood in his face!!!!!!!!

Progger, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE  THAT DOESN'T HAVE CREDIBILITY  (I don't say you lost credibility, because to loose something you need to have it previously)  after Tony's recent discoveries published on another thread about another member who praised your posts from your computer  

I still think CTTE is better than SEBTP, but calling a top album sh*tty.......is soething that can only be expected from you.

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I think this new onslaught of 5 star CTTE is really annoying.
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Originally posted by video vertigo video vertigo wrote:

I think this new onslaught of 5 star CTTE is really annoying.

God... would you change your avatar already? Cramping my style kid!

 

Anyways, on an even more depressing note, how does one of the very most appreciated albums on this website in one day fall from number one to number four. Are Genesis fans to blame? Or random idiots who decide to put one star/non reviews down into the site? Who? I don't think how this rating-dropping was handled fairly because if it's so easy to hurt such a highly-regarded album what stops this from happening to other classics these childish members don't appreciate, such as Dark Side of the Moon or Thick As A Brick, even the Genesis albums?

Why must we continue to put one star as the rating where it clearly should be at least two. Is someone going to stand up and tell me any album in the top 10 does not deserve at least two stars? How are those not collected to create the best prog-collection possible? Impossible! Those are albums we need, so stop messing around with them kids, even if you do hate them to pieces they are collection worthy.

Be serious.

 

Edit: For the record, I have never written a review for the following bands: Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and Jethro Tull. These are the top four, incase you didn't notice by chance.



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Originally posted by The Ryan The Ryan wrote:

Anyways, on an even more depressing note, how does one of the very most appreciated albums on this website in one day fall from number one to number four.

Ryan, you're making a big deal where there's no need, SEBTP has fallen to N° 4 a lot of times, DSOTM, Thick as a Brick, CTTE and SEBTP have been N° 1 many times each one, and at the end WHO CARES???????

I'm the first one to say I don't believe SEBTP is better that CttE, by the contrary I rated SEBTP with 4 stars and CttE with 5.

Are Genesis fans to blame? Or random idiots who decide to put one star/non reviews down into the site? Who? I don't think how this rating-dropping was handled fairly because if it's so easy to hurt such a highly-regarded album what stops this from happening to other classics these childish members don't appreciate, such as Dark Side of the Moon or Thick As A Brick, even the Genesis albums?

Have you checked ever?

  • SEBTP has  3% 1 star ratings and 3% two star ratings; being any 3 star or higher rating fair (The mas is at the top 76% 5 stars ratings over 374 ratings)
  • CttE has 5% 1 star ratings and 3% 2 star ratings from 422 entries, I believe any rating starting from 3 can be considered fair (The impact over the 76% 5 stars ratings is minimum)

You know where the impact is? Genesis ratings with 3 and 4 stars (6% and 13%)  are higher than Yes ratings with 3 and 4 stars (5% and 11%).

People who rated Close to the Edge went really high or really low, that was the problem, and 5% of 1 stars is absolutely non significant.

Why must we continue to put one star as the rating where it clearly should be at least two. Is someone going to stand up and tell me any album in the top 10 does not deserve at least two stars? How are those not collected to create the best prog-collection possible? Impossible! Those are albums we need, so stop messing around with them kids, even if you do hate them to pieces they are collection worthy.

Be serious.

Be serious Ryan it would be more than normal that even 10% of the reviewers hated each album statistically is absolutely valid, the rate of disaproval to Close to the Edge would be the dream of any N°1 hit single on any genre, 5% is almost nothing, 5 people out of 100%.

Edit: For the record, I have never written a review for the following bands: Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and Jethro Tull. These are the top four, incase you didn't notice by chance.

I have reviewed albums from the 4 bands, but always given the rating I believe is fair, Ctte, Yessongs, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, The Lamb, Thick as a Brick, DSOTM and Wish you were here have been rated by me with 5 stars beause I believe they deserve it.

Things will change, CTTE, TAAB, DSOTM and SEBTP will be going from N° 1 to N° 4 many times, and this will change nothing.

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Originally posted by The Ryan The Ryan wrote:

Originally posted by video vertigo video vertigo wrote:

I think this new onslaught of 5 star CTTE is really annoying.

God... would you change your avatar already? Cramping my style kid!

 sorry, I've been changing it quite a bit recently trying to find one I really like, and I got that album last week and I really really like it.  I can try to be a bit more creative, maybe I'll put CTTE as my avatar

BTW I like that cover art so much I made it my desktop background too.  I think the bunnies and the plants with the rainbow is just so cool, its a good visual for the very unique music in the album.  one part of The Fifth season track is almost like music I could picture in a disney film, but then so different much like the artwork.



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Ok so iv'e had CTTE for a while now, and just as im getting into it and loving the music it jumps down in rank.

I must be cursed.



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The only reason that CTTE is on #4 now is that ratings without reviews still affect the average score. I though that was fixed!! The average score is 4.51/5 now, but if the ratings without reviews had been cut for good, it would have blast up to 4.65/5 or 4.70/5 for sure!!
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Originally posted by Harold Demure Harold Demure wrote:

Of course this list can't be taken seiously in prog world - we all know which are our own favourtie bands, but I'm not talking about prog world! I'm talking about that if someone who didn't know prog would listen to Close To The Edge (because it's on the first place of the list) it would discourage him to the music probably. Eg. I'm trying to convince my friend to prog but I said: if you want something that will really impress you - Genesis! That list IMO should play such a role that it helps people to get into prog music. OK. Maybe I'm wrong...

Actually, I think you have a point there -I can certainly imagine how I would personally have had it much easier to fall in love with prog had I chosen to buy something like SEBTP as my introduction. It IS a very accessible album, very melodic and beautiful and stirring. BUT, I still think of it as a  blessing that I started with the more difficult ones, like Hemispheres and Relayer, with Close To The Edge being the album that had a decisive impact on my future music collecting. It probably made me more daring to explore prog´s less beaten tracks later on. And I´m thankful that the people over at Progressive Ears have had the sense to vote CTTE as the number one symphonic album and frozen the list at that -that finally made me buy it, after all, and I haven´t regretted that decision at all!  
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  1. GENESIS
    Selling England By The Pound
  2. PINK FLOYD
    Dark Side of the Moon
  3. JETHRO TULL
    Thick As A Brick
  4. GENESIS
    Foxtrot
  5. YES
    Close to the Edge

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Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

  1. GENESIS
    Selling England By The Pound
  2. PINK FLOYD
    Dark Side of the Moon
  3. JETHRO TULL
    Thick As A Brick
  4. GENESIS
    Foxtrot
  5. YES
    Close to the Edge

 Foxtrot's my favorite of the 5 I'm glad it moved up to 4, definitely deserves it. 
 Oh, and I guess it sucks that CTTE had to drop another spot.

God I'm an ass



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okay, I just realized something - I love Yes, I have a Yes belt buckle, many CDs and listen to them constantly in my car, and try to convert people to Yes at work or with friends and even play it at my church occasionally. 
But I am very happy that CTTE is behind the others in the top 5.  It is not as good as the others, any of them its not Yes' best work and doesn't deserve the recognition it has gotten on this site.  It's a 37 minute album that contains filler! It's only 37 minutes it better be a really good 37 minutes to be #1 and its got filler (albeit not much but it does exist)
The track CTTE is not prog's best epic track more like #5 or 6 best, Thick as a Brick (either part) is better and Supper's Ready  and Dogs and A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers.
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