CTTE 4th on TOP100
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Topic: CTTE 4th on TOP100
Posted By: Harold Demure
Subject: CTTE 4th on TOP100
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:06
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I am curious are there a lot of people thinking like me about this album which is quite overrated on this site, in my opinion... Not that it is totally bad, maybe 3,5 stars, but how can it compete with Selling England or In The Court for example... ------------- You can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide You still have made a choice |
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:11
There's no option for "I Don't Care". 
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:13
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Well, I personally don't care about the rankings, but as far as CTTE goes and where it belongs in the hierarchy of prog rock lps, I think if those with your opinion gathered together, l believe you'd find yourself in a small minority of hearing-impaired prog fans! No offense intended... ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:22
I know that for us these all rankings are not important, but imagine the situation when someone who doesn't like prog rock runs int othis site. And he gets interested in it and wants to hear the music. So he chooses the "best" album. But what does he hear? In fact, if the first prog album I heard was Close To The Edge, I would never fall in love with the music.. OK, I know that usually the best albums require few listens, but Close To The Edge is nowhere near Let's say Fragile, also Tales From Topographic Oceans are much better. Probably it's all about personal tastes... but I will never understand how, the hell, Close To The Edge is so good due to most people 
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Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:27
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Harold Demure wrote:Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:28
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Wow, I completely disagree. While Fragile and TFTO are great, there's something about CTTE that is more powerful than those lps, and it really boils down to the song CTTE itself. I could go on, but I explained it pretty well in my review: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=13064 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=13064 Check it out if your interested. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:34
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Whoa! When did this happen? I wouldn't mind if Tull or Floyd were number one, but Genesis?! Actually, I don't care anyway... ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:35
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Ranking things is too competetive. That ain't cool. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:42
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I don't want you to get me wrong: Close To The Edge is good! But let me know: do you prefer the melody started by Rick Wakeman on exactly 14:12 in CTTE (the famous theme) to powerful entrance of Banks's synthesizer in Firth OF Fifth (you must know which one . These are two quite similar pieces of music, both very dynamic... Maybe it's a bit stupid to compare single melodies, but I used to feel tingles for the first fifteen or so times during that described moment on Selling England, while when I heard the melody from Close To The Edge - maybe once, on the second listening if I remember well. Know it does make nothing for me, just a nice and a bit "weird" melody, but this in Firth of Fifth still amazes me by it's beauty... ------------- You can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide You still have made a choice |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:49
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Well, I don't know if comparing the two songs is the way to go here Sure Firth of Fifth is a great piece, no doubt. But, unlike that song, the song CTTE actually takes several listenings for it to be fully appreciated, for the listener to fully appreciate the various movements and how all the instrumentalists are working in unison to create that awesome sound. ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 13:59
OK, let's say I'm too stupid for Yes  And that would finish the discussion But I've always thought of Genesis like a classical music performed in rock style. Actually, Genesis - not Yes - were re-interpretated by two piano players and it really sounds like a classical music... But we can go on the discussion for years without any conclusion. But yet one question: if you were to choose a song to impress somebody with prog, would that be really Close To The Edge? Does CTTE deserves to be on the 1st place, where should be an album that is representative of a genre and should make someone fall in love with prog (this is what happened to me the after the 2nd listening of Genesis Gabriel-era albums). Selling England, though, IMHO, does really fit on the 1st place  OK. Finito.------------- You can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide You still have made a choice |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:08
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:26
Yeah that's the choice I would pick. I'm a big Genesis fan but I don't think Selling England is close to their best album (Foxtrot, Nursery, and the Lamb are better IMO) and I can care less about the top 100 list. Any list that has Riverside over any Van Der Graaf Generator or Gentle Giant album and has only one Kansas album at 97, can't be taken seriously in the prog world.It's JUST a list. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:58
| I think it's okay. I do like Close To the Edge, but for me it's not necessarily the ultimate prog album. |
Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:59
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Of course this list can't be taken seiously in prog world - we all know which are our own favourtie bands, but I'm not talking about prog world! I'm talking about that if someone who didn't know prog would listen to Close To The Edge (because it's on the first place of the list) it would discourage him to the music probably. Eg. I'm trying to convince my friend to prog but I said: if you want something that will really impress you - Genesis! That list IMO should play such a role that it helps people to get into prog music. OK. Maybe I'm wrong...
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:03
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CTTE seems to have been targeted for a lot of negative reviews recently. Camel have also dropped dramatically too. There are no reviews, only ratings. However, we can't see who did them now. |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:09
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It'll be only a temporary abberation. In the nature of lists (and humans)
people who are unhappy about CTTE's ranking will emerge and give it five- star reviews. Hey, when I first joined here 'Thick as a Brick' was #1 and Anglagard's 'Hybris' was #2 ... |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:13
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1,2,3,4, 100- who cares- if you like it, you like it- shouldnt mater what it's ranked. ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:01
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now *that* is a poll that is clearly missing an option: DON'T CARE
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Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:06
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If you don't care, just don't participate in the poll ------------- You can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide You still have made a choice |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:28
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ok, I'll say no more here. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:19
Its better than the three albums above it but not as good as Number 38 IMO 
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Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:34
Actually I think you are wrong. It would probably NOT discourage him if Close to the Edge was his first encounter with prog, of course if he has an open mind. You are definately in the minority when it comes to this ! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:22
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Another vote for the imaginary "don't care" option
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:52
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Not only has this site now lost all credibility, prog itself has also! How can a sh*tty album like SEBTP be considered to be the best that prog can offer |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:55
Whats your favourite sh*tty album? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 19:01
None of the sh*t currently on your playlist |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 19:03
What is the worst thing on my playlist? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 00:27
For God's sake, this guy doesn't have blood in his face!!!!!!!! Progger, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE CREDIBILITY (I don't say you lost credibility, because to loose something you need to have it previously) after Tony's recent discoveries published on another thread about another member who praised your posts from your computer I still think CTTE is better than SEBTP, but calling a top album sh*tty.......is soething that can only be expected from you. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 00:51
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I think this new onslaught of 5 star CTTE is really annoying. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 00:58
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There is no option for fthc oif you miserable twgt either. ------------- There stands Olias to outward to build a ship Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 01:03
God... would you change your avatar already? Cramping my style kid!
Anyways, on an even more depressing note, how does one of the very most appreciated albums on this website in one day fall from number one to number four. Are Genesis fans to blame? Or random idiots who decide to put one star/non reviews down into the site? Who? I don't think how this rating-dropping was handled fairly because if it's so easy to hurt such a highly-regarded album what stops this from happening to other classics these childish members don't appreciate, such as Dark Side of the Moon or Thick As A Brick, even the Genesis albums? Why must we continue to put one star as the rating where it clearly should be at least two. Is someone going to stand up and tell me any album in the top 10 does not deserve at least two stars? How are those not collected to create the best prog-collection possible? Impossible! Those are albums we need, so stop messing around with them kids, even if you do hate them to pieces they are collection worthy. Be serious.
Edit: For the record, I have never written a review for the following bands: Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and Jethro Tull. These are the top four, incase you didn't notice by chance. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 01:52
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 03:05
BTW I like that cover art so much I made it my desktop background too. I think the bunnies and the plants with the rainbow is just so cool, its a good visual for the very unique music in the album. one part of The Fifth season track is almost like music I could picture in a disney film, but then so different much like the artwork. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: stomp
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 03:05
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Ok so iv'e had CTTE for a while now, and just as im getting into it and loving the music it jumps down in rank. I must be cursed. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 03:15
The only reason that CTTE is on #4 now is that ratings without reviews still affect the average score. I though that was fixed!! The average score is 4.51/5 now, but if the ratings without reviews had been cut for good, it would have blast up to 4.65/5 or 4.70/5 for sure!! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 03:34
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Actually, I think you have a point there -I can certainly imagine how I would personally have had it much easier to fall in love with prog had I chosen to buy something like SEBTP as my introduction. It IS a very accessible album, very melodic and beautiful and stirring. BUT, I still think of it as a blessing that I started with the more difficult ones, like Hemispheres and Relayer, with Close To The Edge being the album that had a decisive impact on my future music collecting. It probably made me more daring to explore prog´s less beaten tracks later on. And I´m thankful that the people over at Progressive Ears have had the sense to vote CTTE as the number one symphonic album and frozen the list at that -that finally made me buy it, after all, and I haven´t regretted that decision at all! ------------- I was made to love magic |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 03:38
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 04:06
God I'm an ass ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 04:18
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okay, I just realized something - I love Yes, I have a Yes belt buckle, many CDs and listen to them constantly in my car, and try to convert people to Yes at work or with friends and even play it at my church occasionally. But I am very happy that CTTE is behind the others in the top 5. It is not as good as the others, any of them its not Yes' best work and doesn't deserve the recognition it has gotten on this site. It's a 37 minute album that contains filler! It's only 37 minutes it better be a really good 37 minutes to be #1 and its got filler (albeit not much but it does exist) The track CTTE is not prog's best epic track more like #5 or 6 best, Thick as a Brick (either part) is better and Supper's Ready and Dogs and A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers. ^ IMHO ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 04:33
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Posted By: SaintVitus
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 04:48
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The deep Fall of CTTE....i hope it can be stopped before it falls out of the Top Ten
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 05:43
If it keep on falling like this it will soon be out off the top 100  ------------- 
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Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 05:56
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I never could pick-up one single prog album and decide: "this the best recorded ever". CTTE is in the top ten. (which I also have problems to frame) Whether it moves along this top ten is not very important. ------------- Pierre R, the man who lost his signature |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 06:53
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I seem weird for a lot of people but I prefer Tales and Relayer over CTTE, and maybe even The Yes Album and Going for the One. I don't like this downfall, because it's caused by "nameless, faceless wacthers" and not by proper reviewers. Honestly I don't pay much attention to the top 100. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 07:13
You're not the only one. Me too, and other people too. I do like Close To The Edge though, and I have no problem with it if that would be the most popular Yes album. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 07:19
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 08:21
| Well whatever the ranking here, CTTE still is - and probably always will be - my personal favourite. |
Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 09:59
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I think someone has misunderstood me a bit - I don't think Selling England is the only one album above the rest... These are the albums that really deserve to be in the 10 ten IMO and I wouldn't have anything against if any of them would be on 1st place:
Selling England, Foxtrot, The Lamb, Pawn Hearts, Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers, Thick As A Brick, Fragile, Topographic Oceans, The Snow Goose, Mirage, H To He, Dark Side Of The Moon. But please, not Close To The Edge
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Posted By: Zenith
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 10:37
YES ------------- We're only in it for the music!!! |
Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 18:03
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Hmmm...does this mean that you think that a record like Pawn Hearts would be a recommendable 'newbie album' for somebody who wanted to get to know prog?? Or 'Topographic Oceans' for that matter... ------------- I was made to love magic |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:06
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A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers is the epic track of Pawn Hearts and not an album. |
Posted By: Harold Demure
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 11:13
Sorry, but when I think about this album Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers always comes to my mind, I have forgotten to edit the post. 
No, of course not. The way I see a lot of albums is that there are two kinds of albums: very melodic with beautiful passages etc. that can impress someone already at a first listen, often they have shorter tracks (eg. Selling Enland, Nursery Cryme, Dark Side Of The Moon, Fragile), and the others are which are very "deep" and require a lot of concentration to really appreciate it, but when you get into them, you can listen to them again and again and never get tired (the two albums that you've mentioned, and also eg. Thick As A Brick, The Snow Goose). In my opinion Close To The Edge doesn't fit to any of these: not enough melodic, not enough "deep". But it's my opinion Of course you can have different taste and say that Selling England eg. doesn't do anything for you while Close To The Edge is so moving and atmospheric...
PS. I don't think the albums that I mentioned in the first group aren't deep and ambitious as someone could judge from what I've written ------------- You can choose a ready guide In some celestial voice If you choose not to decide You still have made a choice |
Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 11:22
Certainly , anyway within the next few weeks it will be nr 1 again. It's a very elastic album in this respect. |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 19:30
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It is the best nothing else comes remotely near in my opinion. |