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Poll Question: Is it correct taht the album has fallen down to the 4th place?
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I am curious are there a lot of people thinking like me about this album which is quite overrated on this site, in my opinion... Not that it is totally bad, maybe 3,5 stars, but how can it compete with Selling England or In The Court for example...

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Well, I personally don't care about the rankings, but as far as CTTE goes and where it belongs in the hierarchy of prog rock lps, I think if those with your opinion gathered together, l believe you'd find yourself in a small minority of hearing-impaired prog fans! No offense intended...
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I know that for us these all rankings are not important, but imagine the situation when someone who doesn't like prog rock runs int othis site. And he gets interested in it and wants to hear the music. So he chooses the "best" album. But what does he hear? In fact, if the first prog album I heard was Close To The Edge, I would never fall in love with the music.. OK, I know that usually the best albums require few listens, but Close To The Edge is nowhere near Let's say Fragile, also Tales From Topographic Oceans are much better. Probably it's all about personal tastes... but I will never understand how, the hell, Close To The Edge is so good due to most people


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Originally posted by Harold Demure Harold Demure wrote:

I am curious are there a lot of people thinking like me about this album which is quite overrated on this site, in my opinion... Not that it is totally bad, maybe 3,5 stars, but how can it compete with Selling England or In The Court for example...
Funny, how opinions can be so different. In my opinion Selling England By The Pound has got nothing on CTTE. But I like Yes better then Genesis so i'm a little biased. I do like Genesis and Selling England.. though.     
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Originally posted by Harold Demure Harold Demure wrote:

I know that for us these all rankings are not important, but imagine the situation when someone who doesn't like prog rock runs int othis site. And he gets interested in it and wants to hear the music. So he chooses the "best" album. But what does he hear? In fact, if the first prog album I heard was Close To The Edge, I would never fall in love with the music.. OK, I know that usually the best albums require few listens, but Close To The Edge is nowhere near Let's say Fragile, also Tales From Topographic Oceans are much better.

Wow, I completely disagree. While Fragile and TFTO are great, there's something about CTTE that is more powerful than those lps, and it really boils down to the song CTTE itself.

I could go on, but I explained it pretty well in my review:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=13064

Check it out if your interested.
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Whoa!  When did this happen?
I wouldn't mind if Tull or Floyd were number one, but Genesis?!
Actually, I don't care anyway...
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Ranking things is too competetive. That ain't cool.
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I don't want you to get me wrong: Close To The Edge is good! But let me know: do you prefer the melody started by Rick Wakeman on exactly 14:12 in CTTE (the famous theme) to powerful entrance of Banks's synthesizer in Firth OF Fifth (you must know which one . These are two quite similar pieces of music, both very dynamic... Maybe it's a bit stupid to compare single melodies, but I used to feel tingles for the first fifteen or so times during that described moment on Selling England, while when I heard the melody from Close To The Edge - maybe once, on the second listening if I remember well. Know it does make nothing for me, just a nice and a bit "weird" melody, but this in Firth of Fifth still amazes me by it's beauty...

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Originally posted by Harold Demure Harold Demure wrote:

I don't want you to get me wrong: Close To The Edge is good! But do you really prefer the melody started by Rick Wakeman on exactly 14:12 in CTTE (the famous theme) to powerful entrance of Banks's synthesizer in Firth OF Fifth (you must know which one . These are two quite similar pieces of music, both very dynamic... Maybe it's a bit stupid to compare single melodies, but when I had heard Selling England I used to feel tingles for the first fifteen or so times during that described moment, while when I heard the melody from Close To The Edge - maybe once, on the second listening if I remember well. Know it does make nothing for me, just a nice and a bit "weird" melody, but this in Firth of Fifth still amazes me by it's beauty...

Well, I don't know if comparing the two songs is the way to go here Sure Firth of Fifth is a great piece, no doubt. But, unlike that song, the song CTTE actually takes several listenings for it to be fully appreciated, for the listener to fully appreciate the various movements and how all the instrumentalists are working in unison to create that awesome sound.
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OK, let's say I'm too stupid for Yes And that would finish the discussion But I've always thought of Genesis like a classical music performed in rock style. Actually, Genesis - not Yes - were re-interpretated by two piano players and it really sounds like a classical music... But we can go on the discussion for years without any conclusion. But yet one question: if you were to choose a song to impress somebody with prog, would that be really Close To The Edge? Does CTTE deserves to be on the 1st place, where should be an album that is representative of a genre and should make someone fall in love with prog (this is what happened to me the after the 2nd listening of Genesis Gabriel-era albums). Selling England, though, IMHO, does really fit on the 1st place OK. Finito.

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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

There's no option for "I Don't Care".  
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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

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Yeah that's the choice I would pick. I'm a big Genesis fan but I don't think
Selling England is close to their best album (Foxtrot, Nursery, and the
Lamb are better IMO) and I can care less about the top 100 list. Any list
that has Riverside over any Van Der Graaf Generator or Gentle Giant
album and has only one Kansas album at 97, can't be taken seriously in
the prog world.It's JUST a list.

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I think it's okay. I do like Close To the Edge, but for me it's not necessarily the ultimate prog album.
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Of course this list can't be taken seiously in prog world - we all know which are our own favourtie bands, but I'm not talking about prog world! I'm talking about that if someone who didn't know prog would listen to Close To The Edge (because it's on the first place of the list) it would discourage him to the music probably. Eg. I'm trying to convince my friend to prog but I said: if you want something that will really impress you - Genesis! That list IMO should play such a role that it helps people to get into prog music. OK. Maybe I'm wrong...


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CTTE seems to have been targeted for a lot of negative reviews recently. Camel have also dropped dramatically too. There are no reviews, only ratings. However, we can't see who did them now.
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It'll be only a temporary abberation. In the nature of lists (and humans)
people who are unhappy about CTTE's ranking will emerge and give it five-
star reviews.

Hey, when I first joined here 'Thick as a Brick' was #1 and Anglagard's
'Hybris' was #2 ...
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1,2,3,4, 100- who cares- if you like it, you like it- shouldnt mater what it's ranked.



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now *that* is a poll that is clearly missing an option:

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If you don't care, just don't participate in the poll
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