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White Feather
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Topic: Peoples ignorance towards prog Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:37 |
OK I`m sitting down with some non prog friends and I put on a prog CD (probably not wise) Anyway halfway through the first song I notice them looking at each other then just like that one says "do you take this music seriously ?" I respond "its got some great counterpoint and listened to that Hammond " (I was playing niacin BTW) then without warning I get the lamest response ever , "it sounds like regressive rock honestly kids listen to this crap its such a wank" I couldn`t believe my ears I mean how rude and ignorant is that ?
So whats the worst thing a friend not into prog has ever said to you about your music ? 
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Xanadu
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:40 |
You're a communist!
Although that's his way of telling me that he just doesn't like it
Edited by Xanadu
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"Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?"
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White Feather
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:41 |
Xanadu wrote:
You're a communist!
Although that's his way of telling me just doesn't like it |
lmao
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Xanadu
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:42 |
I was listening to Rush btw, And you bet that geddy lee's vocie was the first thing he commented
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"Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?"
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White Feather
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:44 |
Rush have caused me some troubles over the years, me being so into them I have defended geddy`s voice time and time again
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Xanadu
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:58 |
Im not very good at persuasiving people so I have, damn my soul, giving up on shareing my music to others who doesn't know better
In retrospect you could say that I've failed were christianity succeded
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"Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?"
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Firepuck
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 10:19 |
In my experience few people are open-minded enough to give progressive music a chance. I find that by it's very nature it is not music you can easily like the first listen - which is probably why I like it so much, even songs I have listened to a hundred times can sound fresh and surprising.
As far as friends go, my days of sitting with a friend and 'listening' to music have long passed. I was fortunate enough to be at that stage in my life during the golden age of prog (70's), and with lots of progressive music getting airplay on FM and especially university radio it seemed that people were more open to listening to something different.
Now-a-days music with friends consists of either background music while we are doing something else (in which case progressive is perfectly acceptable as we don't really 'listen' to it) or going to a concert (in which case you are only going with friends who like that particular musician). I listen to my music either by myself or with my young fellow (who is a musician and while he doesn't like all I play he listens with an open mind).
While I may not like the music someone else listens to I try never to say anything negative about it and I expect the same re comments about my music. Any comments they do make go in one ear and out the other. I just can't be bothered even acknowledging their remark let alone trying to change their opinion. Guess I'm a true Canadian!
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avestin
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 10:49 |
This is a thread on the subject:
worst prog remarks from friends
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mystic fred
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 11:38 |
White Feather wrote:
OK I`m sitting down with some non prog friends and I put on a prog CD (probably not wise) Anyway halfway through the first song I notice them looking at each other then just like that one says "do you take this music seriously ?" I respond "its got some great counterpoint and listened to that Hammond " (I was playing niacin BTW) then without warning I get the lamest response ever , "it sounds like regressive rock honestly kids listen to this crap its such a wank" I couldn`t believe my ears I mean how rude and ignorant is that ?
So whats the worst thing a friend not into prog has ever said to you about your music ? 
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seems you need to review your social circles!
honestly when i first got into prog in the early 70's my family thought i'd become a born again christian - organs on led zep/purple/genesis/yes/elp etc, though even after some friends making daft comments i managed to explain it to them and interest them in prog and heavy rock, even got them to come along to a gig! it seems most people these days like pop and dance stuff /musak and can't be bothered to put any effort into their listening, they like to "relax" or "chill out" instead. prog, jazz and classical music can be the most rewarding but needs your full attention, it's not wallpaper music, it demands to be listened to. i always give such music the same attention as watching a film. as for people referring to it as "regressive", is classical, soul and jazz regressive??? all these genres including prog are still being developed and will still be enjoyed for many many years to come, it could even become the classical music of the future!
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Revan
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 11:45 |
Xanadu wrote:
You're a communist!
Although that's his way of telling me that he just doesn't like it |
I wouldn't go to that extreme but '70s prog idea is mostly socialist. Not the same surely.
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The Wizard
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 12:08 |
One thing I like about prog is that no one knows about it so it's 'cooler' to like (at least for me).
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 13:49 |
I get a lot of comments about my music when I play it to the uneducated ear. Just last night I had on "Octavarium," and when the track length was noted, I get "Is that necessary?" It was pretty funny, but she didn't even recognize this as a problem (or at all) until we were 19 minutes into it.
I also get a lot of "Do they sing?" Whether it's all intrumental, or if it's just a segment. I get complaints quite often (though I do have a handful of friends who do appreciate or enjoy it), but I stand my ground and shove them musical terms and theory at them that they don't understand at all In futile attempts to explain the brilliance in the music. I make it known that I understand why they wouldn't like it, but their statements are ignorant, and their musical opinions are basically void.
Still, I'd much rather have it where I am one of very few of the peers in my area that listen to prog. It makes the music more special.
Edited by Moatilliatta
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Hierophant
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 14:02 |
I laid In a Glass House on a guitarist friend and he said "he was thinking too much". He asked me to burn it for him though so I guess he found it somewhat interesting. The key is to just lay the least accessible prog album out on someone and hope they'll realize that its not just music it's MUSIC. Baptism by fire. 
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Firepuck
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 14:12 |
Riddle me this.
Being older I have friends who are into the classic progressive music of the 70's (Camel, Genesis, King Crimson, Tull, Yes, etc.) but will not try to listen to 'modern' groups or even other lesser known groups from the 70's, groups that I have explored thanks to this web site.
I have learnt that it is easier to paint a moving car than it is to change an opinion. 
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Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks."
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 14:12 |
No one I know has ever dismissed it as w&nk! 
They wouldn't dare mess with the Blacksword 
Rush has roused some laughter over the years, as have Yes, but the most common comment is that it's either 'boring' or 'not cool' 
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Xanadu
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 14:19 |
Revan wrote:
Xanadu wrote:
You're a communist!
Although that's his way of telling me that he just doesn't like it
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I wouldn't go to that extreme but '70s prog idea is mostly socialist. Not the same surely.
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It's a joke! Although there was a socialist musical movement in sweden in 70s that was called progg (not prog).
Communism in this case is just a symbol for something bad, not that it necceserily is. Though He might not know the exact content of the statement he is still refering to something, in his mind, bad.
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"Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?"
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Jack-a-lynn
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 16:01 |
its so ironic that this was posted.
i JUST finished reading this post, and didn't really have a comment (at least i thought i didnt), and i'm at work where we all leave our office doors open at all times, since we're all constantly bustling around. Anyways, i'm playing Gentle Giant, and I look up, and everybody's office doors are closed.
wtf? 
oh well
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Cygnus X-1
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 16:56 |
Ah the amount of times me and my friends try to put prog on in our 6th form common room. So far we have had some Jethro Tull: Aqualung, Hymn 43, Cross Eyed Mary, some of Thick As A Brick, all of Close To The Edge, some Supper's Ready and some other Genesis, some King Crimson, quite a bit of floyd and Mostly Autumn and some other Yes. but usualy any song that lasts over 5 mins gets turned off.
The usual comments are:" This is boring..." "This is crap, it's too long." "I could make this on cuebase!" etc etc. basically there are about 7/8 of us who like prog and force it on!
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An old fart
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 17:27 |
I've got various reactions towards prog from various people: ignorance, polite or mild interest, shared enthusiasm, a bit of sarcasm, strong rejection. It's all ok. We don't need to like the same things. And we don't need no thought control!
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Fede
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 17:54 |
Here in Argentina are some people called "rollingas" who like a kind of bands that are fashion and have a similar sound to the Rolling Stones (but toooooo worse) and they're bulls**t.
Some "rollingas" friends of mine, when I put some prog stuff they walk away or say "This is boring!!" or "It's a bulls**t" I can't really understand why.....
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