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Winter Wine
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:57 | |||||||||||||||
I was going to give a well detailed, Thought out response, When I noticed, This thread is stupid! I've been reading down through so many ridiculous, unnecessary comparisons! Both bands are fantastic and have made music that very few can equal! never mind better! If you have any respect for either bands music, You'll stop treating their work like two dogs chasing a bunny. It's getting very stupid. |
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Phil
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:03 | |||||||||||||||
Of course! You are absolutely right, but...it's great fun turning it into a sort of 5-a-side soccer final!! |
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Jools
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:07 | |||||||||||||||
Aww come on, allow these people abit of self indulgence why dontcha. |
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Ridicule is the burden of genius.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 11:25 | |||||||||||||||
Winter Wine, we do it because it's fun, nothing else.
Interesting, as soon as the votes are counted,, fanboys attack, Yes all the way, no points for Genesis, sure Genesis must be a very crappy band, then why are they in the top 10 with 4 albums? I'd loove to see how Wakeman will vote in Tales vs The Lamb But...Who cares? Iván Edited by ivan_2068 |
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Charles
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 12:50 | |||||||||||||||
Hmmm... This thread again... I love both bands, and the same posters post the same things all the time starting the same old arguments... Charles |
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Tales
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 13:01 | |||||||||||||||
When Banks can individually produce classic works like Six Wives, Journey, King Arthur and Criminal record I might start to take your oppinion much more seriously! |
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Progger
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 13:19 | |||||||||||||||
OK Ivan, here I am Jon>Peter>Phil>Ray>Trevor Rick>Patrick>Tony>Igor>Geoffrey Howe>Rabin>Hackett>Phillips>Banks>Sherwood> ;Steurmer Chris>Mike Bill>Phil>Alan>Chester THE YES ALBUM>TRESSPASS FRAGILE>NURSERY CRYME CTTE>FOXTROT TALES>LAMB TRICK OF THE TALE>TORMATO DRAMA>WIND AND WUTHERING 90125>DUKE Please note everybody that my list is objective and the truth. Anybody who says different knows nothing about musicians and how music is constructed! BTW Ivan, in the latest issue of classic rock magazine, their is a feature on the greatest 100 rock albums as voted for my musicians and critics. Yes has three albums in that chart, Genesis has one Edited by Progger |
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kev2307
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:49 | |||||||||||||||
Flying Dutchman said:
'Members Gabriel v. Jon Anderson: Gabriel by a small bit. - GABRIEL TOP FRONT MAN - ANDERSON BETTER SINGER Steve Howe v. Steve Hackett: completely equal - HOWE BLOWS HACKETT AWAY Rutherford v. Squire: Squire - YOU GOT THIS ONE RIGHT Banks v. Wakeman: Banks by a small bit. sort the ears out - WAKEMAN IS A GOD Collins v. Bruford v. White: Bruford>White=Collins - I LOVE COLLINS - BUT BOTH BRUFORD AND WHITE ARE SUPERIOR DRUMMERS Albums (Classic albums only) Trespass v. Yes Album- Trespass by a small bit, but I love both. YES ALBUM HAS MORE CLASSICS Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Nursery Cryme, but I think both are overrated. FRAGILE -THE SAME AGAIN Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- Close to the Edge by a bit, both are awesome. CTTE UNTOUCHABLE Selling England v. Relayer- Relayer, but they're pretty close (both great). - THE GREAT GENESIS ALBUM Lamb Lies Down v. Tales- Tough, both equal I think (not huge on both, but they have good moments).' AGREE
BUT I just could not read all the replies because I was . Have you been to another planet.
If you are a prog fan then the only keyboard player who can hold a hat to Wakeman is Emerson - both are in another league FROM EVERYONE and if you dont agree then its |
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Progger
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:57 | |||||||||||||||
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Father Tiresias
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 15:27 | |||||||||||||||
This is just child games
Members Gabriel v. Jon Anderson: Gabriel Steve Hackett v. Steve Howe : Steve Hackett Rutherford v. Squire: Squire Banks v. Wakeman: Baks (Wakeman never did solos like that) Collins v. Bruford v. White: Bruford>Collins>White Albums (Classic albums only) Trespass v. Yes Album- Trespass Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Nursery cryme Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- Close to the edge (Foxtrot should win) Selling England v. Relayer- Selling England (Relayer is one of my top albums!) I obviously prefer Genesis over Yes, i feel more comfort listening to Genesis compositions than i do with Yes', even thoug Yes is of my favorites bands of all time. |
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Losendos
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 16:28 | |||||||||||||||
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How wonderful to be so profound
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chofel
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:05 | |||||||||||||||
Members Gabriel > Jon Anderson Gabriel by a small bit. Steve Hackett > Steve Howe: completely equal Rutherford < Squire: Squire
Albums (Classic albums only) Trespass v. Yes Album- Trespass Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Fragile Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- Foxtrot. Selling England v. Relayer- Relayer Lamb Lies Down v. Tales- IT'S THE LAMB, PEOPLE !!!!!
Srry..... but I couldn't imagine living without genesis..... but yes is a great band to !!! |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:23 | |||||||||||||||
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Losendos
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:58 | |||||||||||||||
Genesis claim to fame is the unmatched sequence from Trespass to WAW 7 albums 8 disks. Noone else had a run like that. Which yes albums and which genesis album and what position were they. BTW for me yes and genesis are a dead heat. If I think about TFTO the points would go to Genesis but if I think about the Genesis of Invisble Touch I would vote for Yes |
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DrWu
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 18:00 | |||||||||||||||
And then back to Genesis when you think about Talk.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 21:46 | |||||||||||||||
Lets see in who you trust. In December 2001 THE CLASSIC ROCK MAGAZINEmade a list of the best 100 best albums ever:
Oops, only one Yes and one Genesis album, way in the middle. Seems they are not very consitent, Yes has not released any new album that could be considerec one the 100 best releases ever since 2001 to the date,. but they change their list. But if you still believe in Classic Rock Magazine:
Oops again Bill is only N° 16 under Phil Collins and Carl Palmer, but long after N° 2 mr Nirvana drummer (I didn't knew his name until today ) Charlie Watts a top 10????????? This proves my point, this lists from commercial magazines are not worth the paper in which they are written. Iván EDIT: Sorry Progger but I had to add this one from your "reliable" Classic Rock Magazine: Rock's 30 Greatest Concept Albums (March 2003)
ROFLMAO Edited by ivan_2068 |
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ken4musiq
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 01:25 | |||||||||||||||
Who made this law. I don't know much, but I know my drumming and Bruford's best stuff was not with Crimson. Fripp is a minimalist at heart and always wanted Bruford to just keep a steady pulse, esp with the second Bruford Fripp incarnation. Listen to Beelzebub or Five G to hear some of Bruford's more interesting drumming, and writing. Collin's better album is Trick of the Tail; it is a drumming landmark again because of those wonderful tom-toms, which he now brings to the forefront although he uses them on The Lamb. After Gabriel left he was able to come into his own as a drummer, and singer. I think I've come to realize that Trick is one of my fave Genesis albums; there is something beautiful and transcendent about the album that is very special. It has a very American folk rock sound, which I was listening to back in '76. Trick is probably inculcated into my way of hearing things because it was the perfect blend of prog rock and a lot of what I was hearing. I think it was also my first Genesis album. The Ian Paice solo was The Mule unless they like Child in Time because he plays the cymbal bells. Speaking of which, where is Michael Giles, a better drummer than most of the people on the list as is Barry Barlowe who played with Jethro Tull, Robert Plant and Jimmy Page who are 'kinda' of rock big wigs. Steve Gadd played with Steely Dan and Paul Simon as well as Eric Clapton, but I guess they are all a bunch of no talents. And Virgil Donati, or is he just too good to be considered a 'rock' drummer. Anybody who knows drumming would have Cobham at the top for being the first to play the high hat with his left hand rather then crossing, being one of the earliest drummers to go to a matched grip, and also and perfecting double bass drumming, which he does on Quadrant Four from Spectrum. He reinvented drumming. After that I'd have no problem with Bonham being second but Dave Grohl, isn't he a guitar player now? And Tommy Lee is there for his flying stunt. I guess that Keith Emerson is the greatest keyboardist for doing it all fifteen years earlier.
PS if all these record moguls, producers and the rock elite knew what they were talking about, we would be getting better music. Instead we have the endless crap that you hear now going on thirty+ years. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to rant. Edited by ken4musiq |
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Pneubauer
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 01:45 | |||||||||||||||
^^^^
ivan is god of proggerbashing |
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ken4musiq
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 02:15 | |||||||||||||||
The problem with the list of the top 100 is it is so gender biased with only one female group in the whole cannon of works. (This is also the problem with the rock/pop dichotomy, as well.) What about Pearl by Janis? But we get 'Pearl' Jam Ten, which is not a great album though it has some great songs. Lita Ford? Joan Jett? Tina Turner? Patti Smith? The Pretenders? Melissa Ethridge? Siouxie Sioux or even Aretha . . I'd rather listen to any of these woman rock than most of the albums on the list . . And don't tell me they're not all rock because we have Journey, Eagles, Foreigner, Bon Jovi and Cheap Trick on the list, all of which are 'pop' bands.
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AngleofRepose
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 03:33 | |||||||||||||||
And if you want magazines, you could look at the Mojo Prog Rock special
edition. Let's not forget that Foxtrot beat out all Yes albums at number two. I'm not sure that says too much, but we're quoting semi-reputable magazines. And for prog I'd trust a Mojo special edition over a sensationalist classic rock mag. ^ Pearl Jam's 'Ten' is a fabulous album. Should have been higher. |
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