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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:57

I was going to give a well detailed, Thought out response, When I noticed, This thread is stupid! I've been reading down through so many ridiculous, unnecessary comparisons!

Both bands are fantastic and have made music that very few can equal! never mind better! If you have any respect for either bands music, You'll stop treating their work like two dogs chasing a bunny. It's getting very stupid.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:03
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

I was going to give a well detailed, Thought out response, When I noticed, This thread is stupid! I've been reading down through so many ridiculous, unnecessary comparisons!

Both bands are fantastic and have made music that very few can equal! never mind better! If you have any respect for either bands music, You'll stop treating their work like two dogs chasing a bunny. It's getting very stupid.

Of course! You are absolutely right, but...it's great fun turning it into a sort of 5-a-side soccer final!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:07
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

I was going to give a well detailed, Thought out response, When I noticed, This thread is stupid! I've been reading down through so many ridiculous, unnecessary comparisons!

Both bands are fantastic and have made music that very few can equal! never mind better! If you have any respect for either bands music, You'll stop treating their work like two dogs chasing a bunny. It's getting very stupid.

 

Aww come on, allow these people abit of self indulgence why dontcha.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 11:25

Winter Wine, we do it because it's fun, nothing else.

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Posted: March 16 2006 at 02:22 | IP Logged Quote raindance

  • Anderson ***** Gabriel**** Horn **
  • Bruford*****White***Collins***1/2
  • Wakeman*****Downes****Kaye***1/2 Banks***1/2
  • Howe***** Banks**1/2 Rabin**** Hackett**** Phillips***
  • Squire***** Rutherford****

 

  • The YES Album ***** Tresspass***
  • Fragile ***** Nursery Cryme ***
  • CTTE ***** Foxtrot ***1/2
  • Relayer ***** SEBTP ****
  • TFTO **** The Lamb ***1/2
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 02:47 | IP Logged Quote Tommy

  • ANDERSON>GABRIEL
  • HOWE>HACKETT
  • BRUFORD>COLLINS
  • SQUIRE>RUTHERFORD
  • WAKEMAN>BANKS
  • TYA>TRESSPASS
  • FRAGILE>NURSERY CRYME
  • CTTE>FOXTROT [By a mile]
  • RELAYER>SEBTP[By two miles]
  • TFTO>LAMB[By 1000 000 miles]

Interesting, as soon as the votes are counted,, fanboys attack, Yes all the way, no points for Genesis, sure Genesis must be a very crappy band, then why are they in the top 10 with 4 albums?

I'd loove to see how Wakeman will vote in Tales vs The Lamb

But...Who cares?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 12:50

Hmmm... This thread again...

I love both bands, and the same posters post the same things all the time starting the same old arguments...

Charles

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 13:01
Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Right! Let's put you all right on this Banks v Wakeman nonsense.....

Composition skills:

Banks >> Wakeman

Keyboard skills:

Wakeman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Banks

OK?

 

 

When Banks can individually produce classic works like Six Wives, Journey, King Arthur and Criminal record I might start to take your oppinion much more seriously!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 13:19

OK Ivan, here I am

Jon>Peter>Phil>Ray>Trevor

Rick>Patrick>Tony>Igor>Geoffrey

Howe>Rabin>Hackett>Phillips>Banks>Sherwood> ;Steurmer

Chris>Mike

Bill>Phil>Alan>Chester

THE YES ALBUM>TRESSPASS

FRAGILE>NURSERY CRYME

CTTE>FOXTROT

TALES>LAMB

TRICK OF THE TALE>TORMATO

DRAMA>WIND AND WUTHERING

90125>DUKE

Please note everybody that my list is objective and the truth. Anybody who says different knows nothing about musicians and how music is constructed!

BTW Ivan, in the latest issue of classic rock magazine, their is a feature on the greatest 100 rock albums as voted for my musicians and critics. Yes has three albums in that chart, Genesis has one



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:49

Flying Dutchman said:

 

'Members

Gabriel v. Jon Anderson: Gabriel by a small bit.  - GABRIEL TOP FRONT MAN - ANDERSON BETTER SINGER

Steve Howe v. Steve Hackett: completely equal  - HOWE BLOWS HACKETT AWAY

Rutherford v. Squire: Squire  - YOU GOT THIS ONE RIGHT

Banks v. Wakeman: Banks by a small bit.  sort the ears out - WAKEMAN IS A GOD

Collins v. Bruford v. White: Bruford>White=Collins  -  I LOVE COLLINS - BUT BOTH BRUFORD AND WHITE ARE SUPERIOR DRUMMERS

Albums (Classic albums only)

Trespass v. Yes Album- Trespass by a small bit, but I love both.  YES ALBUM HAS MORE CLASSICS

Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Nursery Cryme, but I think both are overrated.  FRAGILE -THE SAME AGAIN

Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- Close to the Edge by a bit, both are awesome.  CTTE UNTOUCHABLE

Selling England v. Relayer- Relayer, but they're pretty close (both great). - THE GREAT GENESIS ALBUM

Lamb Lies Down v. Tales- Tough, both equal I think (not huge on both, but they have good moments).'  AGREE

 

BUT I just could not read all the replies because I was .  Have you been to another planet.

 

If you are a prog fan then the only keyboard player who can hold a hat to Wakeman is Emerson - both are in another league FROM EVERYONE and if you dont agree then its

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:57
Originally posted by kev2307 kev2307 wrote:

Flying Dutchman said:

 

'Members

Gabriel v. Jon Anderson: Gabriel by a small bit.  - GABRIEL TOP FRONT MAN - ANDERSON BETTER SINGER

Steve Howe v. Steve Hackett: completely equal  - HOWE BLOWS HACKETT AWAY

 

If you are a prog fan then the only keyboard player who can hold a hat to Wakeman is Emerson - both are in another league FROM EVERYONE and if you dont agree then its

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 15:27
This is just child games

Members

Gabriel v. Jon Anderson: Gabriel

Steve Hackett v. Steve Howe : Steve Hackett

Rutherford v. Squire: Squire

Banks v. Wakeman: Baks (Wakeman never did solos like that)

Collins v. Bruford v. White: Bruford>Collins>White

Albums (Classic albums only)

Trespass v. Yes Album- Trespass

Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Nursery cryme

Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- Close to the edge (Foxtrot should win)

Selling England v. Relayer- Selling England (Relayer is one of my top albums!)

I obviously prefer Genesis over Yes, i feel more comfort listening to Genesis compositions than i do with Yes', even thoug Yes is of my favorites bands of all time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 16:28
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Losendos Losendos wrote:

   9012  < Duke  (Yes aint Yes without JA)

Are you saying "JA" wasn't on 90125? Because he was.

sorry meant that I did not inclue drama because it wasn't really  a yes record
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:05

Members

Gabriel > Jon Anderson Gabriel by a small bit.

Steve Hackett > Steve Howe: completely equal

Rutherford < Squire: Squire

 

Albums (Classic albums only)

Trespass v. Yes Album- Trespass

Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Fragile

Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- Foxtrot.

Selling England v. Relayer- Relayer

Lamb Lies Down v. Tales- IT'S THE LAMB, PEOPLE !!!!!

 

Srry..... but I couldn't imagine living without genesis..... but yes is a great band to !!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:23
Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

OK Ivan, here I am

Jon>Peter>Phil>Ray>Trevor

Rick>Patrick>Tony>Igor>Geoffrey

Howe>Rabin>Hackett>Phillips>Banks>Sherwood> ; ;Steurmer

Chris>Mike

Bill>Phil>Alan>Chester

THE YES ALBUM>TRESSPASS

FRAGILE>NURSERY CRYME

CTTE>FOXTROT

TALES>LAMB

What can anyone say? This is called vote by default, only Yes, no analysis, no comments, everybody knows you.

Please note everybody that my list is objective (FOR YOU) and the truth. (Again for you) Anybody who says different knows nothing about musicians and how music is constructed! (Seems you are in the great minority)

BTW Ivan, in the latest issue of classic rock magazine, (Classic Rock is not equal to Progressive Rock) their is a feature on the greatest 100 rock albums as voted for my musicians and critics. Yes has three albums in that chart, Genesis has one (In Prog Archives and Progressive Ears -BOTH 100% PROGRSSIVE ROCK SITES- Genesis has four on the to ten and Yes one)

Probably in Rolling Stones Magazine none is mentioned.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:58
Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

BTW Ivan, in the latest issue of classic rock magazine, their is a feature on the greatest 100 rock albums as voted for my musicians and critics. Yes has three albums in that chart, Genesis has one

Not surprising since Yes are considered more trailblazing.

  Genesis claim to fame is the unmatched sequence from Trespass to WAW 7 albums 8 disks. Noone else had a run like that. Which yes albums and which genesis album and what position were they.

BTW for me yes and genesis are  a dead heat. If I think about TFTO the points would go to Genesis but if I think about the Genesis of Invisble Touch I would vote for Yes

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 18:00
And then back to Genesis when you think about Talk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2006 at 21:46
Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

BTW Ivan, in the latest issue of classic rock magazine, their is a feature on the greatest 100 rock albums as voted for my musicians and critics. Yes has three albums in that chart, Genesis has one

Lets see in who you trust.

In December 2001 THE CLASSIC ROCK MAGAZINEmade a list of the best 100 best albums ever:

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100 Greatest Rock Albums Ever (December 2001)

1. Led Zeppelin – IV
2. Pink Floyd – Dark Side of the Moon
3. Black Sabbath – Paranoid
4. AC/DC – Back in Black
5. Led Zeppelin – Physical Graffiti
6. Guns N’ Roses – Appetite for Destruction
7. Metallica – Metallica (Black Album)
8. Nirvana – Nevermind
9. Bon Jovi – Slippery When Wet
10. Hendrix, Jimi – Electric Ladyland
11. Radiohead – OK Computer
12. Def Leppard – Hysteria
13. Van Halen – Van Halen
14. Eagles – Hotel California
15. Beck, Jeff – Truth
16. Marillion – Misplaced Childhood
17. Pearl Jam – Ten
18. Deep Purple – Machine Head
19. Red Hot Chili Peppers – BloodSugarSexMagik
20. Black Sabbath – Master of Reality
21. Who – Who’s Next
22. Journey – Escape
23. Lynyrd Skynyrd – Pronounced Leh-Nerd Skin-Nerd
24. Pink Floyd – The Wall
25. Queen – A Night at the Opera
26. Prince – Purple Rain
27. Whitesnake – 1987
28. Aerosmith – Permanent Vacation
29. Rainbow – Long Live Rock & Roll
30. Jethro Tull – Aqualung
31. Yes – Fragile
32. Black Crowes – Shake Your Money Maker
33. Cult – Sonic Temple
34. Jane’s Addiction – Nothing’s Shocking
35. Pantera – Vulgar Display of Power
36. Soundgarden – Superunknown
37. Free – Fire & Water
38. Iron Maiden – Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
39. Rush – Moving Pictures
40. Genesis – Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

41. Cream – Disraeli Gears
42. Queensrÿche – Operation: Mindcrime
43. Deep Purple – Burn
44. Slayer – Seasons in the Abyss
45. Osbourne, Ozzy – Blizzard of Oz
46. Motörhead – Ace of Spades
47. Cheap Trick – In Color
48. Foreigner – 4
49. Korn – Korn
50. Alice in Chains – Dirt
51. King’s X – Out of the Silent Planet
52. Warrior Soul – Last Decade, Dead Century
53. Bad Company – Bad Company
54. Smashing Pumpkins – Siamese Dream
55. Nine Inch Nails – Pretty Hate Machine
56. Thunder – Back Street Symphony
57. Bon Jovi – New Jersey
58. Living Colour – Vivid
59. Van Halen – 1984
60. Def Leppard – Pyromania
61. AC/DC – Highway to Hell
62. Poison – Look What the Cat Dragged In
63. UFO – Force It
64. Faith No More – Real Thing
65. Petty, Tom - And the Heartbreakers
66. Queens of the Stone Age – Rated R
67. Metallica – Master of Puppets
68. Thin Lizzy – Jailbreak
69. Slipknot – Iowa
70. Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine
71. Machine Head – Burn My Eyes
72. Linkin Park – Hybrid Theory
73. Aerosmith – Pump
74. Scorpions – Blackout
75. Wildhearts – Earth Vs the…
76. Dio – Holy Diver
77. Boston – Boston
78. Iron Maiden – Number of the Beast
79. ZZ Top – Eliminator
80. Black Crowes – Southern Harmony & the Musical Companion
81. Meat Loaf – Bat Out of Hell
82. Nugent, Ted – Cat Scratch Fever
83. Marillion – Clutching at Straws
84. Alice Cooper – Billion Dollar Babies
85. Styx – Pieces of Eight
86. Megadeth – Peace Sells… But Who’s Buying?
87. Tool – Undertow
88. Angel – Sinful
89. Heart – Heart (1985)
90. Manic Street Preachers – Generation Terrorists
91. Rush – 2112
92. Marilyn Manson – Antichrist Superstar
93. Uriah Heep – Demons & Wizards
94. Judas Priest – British Steel
95. Asia - Asia
96. Emerson, Lake & Palmer – Tarkus
97. Mötley Crüe – Dr Feelgood
98. Idol, Billy – Rebel Yell
99. Adams, Bryan – Reckless
100. Kiss – Destroyer

Oops, only one Yes and one Genesis album, way in the middle.

Seems they are not very consitent, Yes has not released any new album that could be considerec one the 100 best releases ever since 2001 to the date,. but they change their list.

But if you still believe in Classic Rock Magazine:

Quote 50 Greatest Drummers in Rock (June 2005)

Drummer, then in square brackets the band(s) they’re most associated with, followed by Defining Moment. This is either a track, in which case I’ve just given the title; an album (LP) or trademark, in lower case lettering.


1. John Bonham [Led Zeppelin] – Moby Dick
2. Dave Grohl [Nirvana/Queens of the Stone Age/etc] – Nevermind (LP)
3. Keith Moon [The Who] – Kids are Alright (film)
4. Neil Peart [Rush] – live solo spot on 2004 tour
5. Chad Smith [Red Hot Chili Peppers] – Higher Ground
6. Dave Lombardo [Slayer] – Angel of Death
7. Mitch Mitchell [Jimi Hendrix Experience] – Fire
8. Ian Paice [Deep Purple] – Child in Time
9. Cozy Powell [Rainbow/Black Sabbath/etc] – 1812 Overture live solo
10. Charlie Watts [Rolling Stones] – Sympathy for the Devil
11. Nicko McBrain [Iron Maiden] – Mission from ‘Arry
12. Ginger Baker [Cream/Blind Faith/etc] – Toad live
13. Joey Jordison [Slipknot] – live performance with Metallica in 2004
14. Phil Collins [Genesis] – Lamb Lies Down on Broadway LP
15. Carl Palmer [ELP/Asia] – Fanfare for the Common Man
16. Bill Bruford [Yes/King Crimson] – anything from 25 years with King Crimson
17. Mike Portnoy [Dream Theater] – When Dream & Day Unite
18. Stewart Copeland [Police] – Don’t Stand So Close to Me
19. Tommy Lee [Mötley Crüe/Methods of Mayhem] – high flying solo, literally
20. Bill Ward [Black Sabbath] – War Pigs
21. Phil ‘Philthy Animal’ Taylor [Motörhead] – Overkill (long version)
22. Ringo Starr [Beatles] – Come Together
23. Taylor Hawkins [Foo Fighters] – All My Life
24. Jeff Porcaro [Toto] – unusual garden-related death!
25. Vinnie Colaiuta [Frank Zappa/solo] – Vinnie Colairuta LP
26. Lars Ulrich [Metallica] – being the man who pushed Metallica into the major league
27. Phil Rudd [AC/DC] – Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
28. Scott Asheton [Stooges] – I Wanna Be Your Dog
29. Joey Kramer [Aerosmith] – Sweet Emotion
30. Simon Kirke [Free/Bad Company] – Bad Company (song)
31. Jimmy Chamberlin [Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan] – Siamese Dreams LP
32. Travis Barker [Blink 182/Box Car Racer/etc] – Box Car Racer LP
33. Terry Bozzio [Frank Zappa/etc] – Black Page
34. Matt Cameron [Soundgarden/Pearl Jam] – Spoonman
35. Rat Scabies [Damned] – Machine Gun Etiquette LP
36. Thunderstick [Samson/Thunderstick] – his cage!
37. Roger Taylor [Queen] – Radio Ga Ga
38. Brian Downey [Thin Lizzy] – Live & Dangerous LP
39. Igor Cavalera [Sepultura] – Mass Hypnosis
40. Carmine Appice [Vanilla Fudge/Cactus/etc] – You Keep Me Hangin’ On
41. Brad Wilk [Rage Against the Machine/Audioslave] – Killing in the Name
42. Nick Mason [Pink Floyd] – Summer of ‘68
43. Billy Cobham [Mahavishnu Orch/Miles Davis/solo] – Spectrum solo LP
44. Cindy Blackman [Lenny Kravitz] – on stage
45. Tico Torres [Bon Jovi] – King of the Mountain
46. Tommy Aldridge [Black Oak Arkansas/Whitesnake/Ozzy] – live solo, with bare hands
47. Vinnie Paul [Pantera/Damageplan] – Cowboys From Hell LP
48. Denny Carmassi [Montrose/Heart/etc] – Rock Candy
49. Daniel Erlandson [Arch Enemy] – Burning Bridges LP
50. Topper Headon [Clash] – I Fought the Law

Oops again Bill is only N° 16 under Phil Collins and Carl Palmer, but long after N° 2 mr Nirvana drummer (I didn't knew his name until today )

Charlie Watts a top 10?????????

This proves my point, this lists from commercial magazines are not worth the paper in which they are written.

Iván

EDIT: Sorry Progger but I had to add this one from your "reliable" Classic Rock Magazine:

Rock's 30 Greatest Concept Albums (March 2003)

  • 1.- Dark Side of the Moon . Pink Floyd (At least dubious if it was conceptual and still it's N° 1)
  • 5. Antichrist Superstar - Marilyn Manson
  • 13. Downward Spiral - Nine Inch Nails
  • 14. Duke - Genesis (Was it even conceptual????)
  • 28. Kilroy Was Here - Styx

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50 Greatest Drummers in Rock (June 2005)

Drummer, then in square brackets the band(s) they’re most associated with, followed by Defining Moment. This is either a track, in which case I’ve just given the title; an album (LP) or trademark, in lower case lettering.


1. John Bonham [Led Zeppelin] – Moby Dick
2. Dave Grohl [Nirvana/Queens of the Stone Age/etc] – Nevermind (LP)
3. Keith Moon [The Who] – Kids are Alright (film)
4. Neil Peart [Rush] – live solo spot on 2004 tour
5. Chad Smith [Red Hot Chili Peppers] – Higher Ground
6. Dave Lombardo [Slayer] – Angel of Death
7. Mitch Mitchell [Jimi Hendrix Experience] – Fire
8. Ian Paice [Deep Purple] – Child in Time
9. Cozy Powell [Rainbow/Black Sabbath/etc] – 1812 Overture live solo
10. Charlie Watts [Rolling Stones] – Sympathy for the Devil
11. Nicko McBrain [Iron Maiden] – Mission from ‘Arry
12. Ginger Baker [Cream/Blind Faith/etc] – Toad live
13. Joey Jordison [Slipknot] – live performance with Metallica in 2004
14. Phil Collins [Genesis] – Lamb Lies Down on Broadway LP
15. Carl Palmer [ELP/Asia] – Fanfare for the Common Man
16. Bill Bruford [Yes/King Crimson] – anything from 25 years with King Crimson
17. Mike Portnoy [Dream Theater] – When Dream & Day Unite
18. Stewart Copeland [Police] – Don’t Stand So Close to Me
19. Tommy Lee [Mötley Crüe/Methods of Mayhem] – high flying solo, literally
20. Bill Ward [Black Sabbath] – War Pigs
21. Phil ‘Philthy Animal’ Taylor [Motörhead] – Overkill (long version)
22. Ringo Starr [Beatles] – Come Together
23. Taylor Hawkins [Foo Fighters] – All My Life
24. Jeff Porcaro [Toto] – unusual garden-related death!
25. Vinnie Colaiuta [Frank Zappa/solo] – Vinnie Colairuta LP
26. Lars Ulrich [Metallica] – being the man who pushed Metallica into the major league
27. Phil Rudd [AC/DC] – Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
28. Scott Asheton [Stooges] – I Wanna Be Your Dog
29. Joey Kramer [Aerosmith] – Sweet Emotion
30. Simon Kirke [Free/Bad Company] – Bad Company (song)
31. Jimmy Chamberlin [Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan] – Siamese Dreams LP
32. Travis Barker [Blink 182/Box Car Racer/etc] – Box Car Racer LP
33. Terry Bozzio [Frank Zappa/etc] – Black Page
34. Matt Cameron [Soundgarden/Pearl Jam] – Spoonman
35. Rat Scabies [Damned] – Machine Gun Etiquette LP
36. Thunderstick [Samson/Thunderstick] – his cage!
37. Roger Taylor [Queen] – Radio Ga Ga
38. Brian Downey [Thin Lizzy] – Live & Dangerous LP
39. Igor Cavalera [Sepultura] – Mass Hypnosis
40. Carmine Appice [Vanilla Fudge/Cactus/etc] – You Keep Me Hangin’ On
41. Brad Wilk [Rage Against the Machine/Audioslave] – Killing in the Name
42. Nick Mason [Pink Floyd] – Summer of ‘68
43. Billy Cobham [Mahavishnu Orch/Miles Davis/solo] – Spectrum solo LP
44. Cindy Blackman [Lenny Kravitz] – on stage
45. Tico Torres [Bon Jovi] – King of the Mountain
46. Tommy Aldridge [Black Oak Arkansas/Whitesnake/Ozzy] – live solo, with bare hands
47. Vinnie Paul [Pantera/Damageplan] – Cowboys From Hell LP
48. Denny Carmassi [Montrose/Heart/etc] – Rock Candy
49. Daniel Erlandson [Arch Enemy] – Burning Bridges LP
50. Topper Headon [Clash] – I Fought the Law

 

Who made this law.  I don't know much, but I know my drumming and Bruford's best stuff was not with Crimson.  Fripp is a minimalist at heart and always wanted Bruford to just keep a steady pulse, esp with the second Bruford Fripp incarnation. Listen to Beelzebub or Five G to hear some of Bruford's more interesting drumming, and writing.

Collin's better album is Trick of the Tail; it is a drumming landmark again because of those wonderful tom-toms, which he now brings to the forefront although he uses them on The Lamb.  After Gabriel left he was able to come into his own as a drummer, and singer. I think I've come to realize that Trick is one of my fave Genesis albums; there is something beautiful and transcendent about the album that is very special. It has a very American folk rock sound, which I was listening to back in '76. Trick is probably inculcated into my way of hearing things because it was the perfect blend of prog rock and a lot of what I was hearing. I think it was also my first Genesis album.

The Ian Paice solo was The Mule unless they like Child in Time because he plays the cymbal bells. Speaking of which, where is Michael Giles, a better drummer than most of the people on the list as is Barry Barlowe who played with Jethro Tull, Robert Plant and Jimmy Page who are 'kinda' of rock big wigs. Steve Gadd played with Steely Dan and Paul Simon as well as Eric Clapton, but I guess they are all a bunch of no talents. And Virgil Donati, or is he just too good to be considered a 'rock' drummer.

Anybody who knows drumming would have Cobham at the top for being the first to play the high hat with his left hand rather then crossing, being one of the earliest drummers to go to a matched grip, and also and perfecting double bass drumming, which he does on Quadrant Four from Spectrum. He reinvented drumming. After that I'd have no problem with Bonham being second but Dave Grohl, isn't he a guitar player now? And Tommy Lee is there for his flying stunt.  I guess that Keith Emerson is the greatest keyboardist for doing it all fifteen years earlier.

 

PS  if all these record moguls, producers and the rock elite knew what they were talking about, we would be getting better music. Instead we have the endless crap that you hear now going on thirty+ years. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to rant.



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The problem with the list of the top 100 is it is so gender biased with only one female group in the whole cannon of works.  (This is  also the problem with the rock/pop dichotomy, as well.) What about Pearl by Janis? But we get 'Pearl' Jam Ten, which is not a great album though it has some great songs. Lita Ford? Joan Jett? Tina Turner? Patti Smith? The Pretenders? Melissa Ethridge? Siouxie Sioux or even Aretha . . I'd rather listen to any of these woman rock than most of the albums on the list  . . And don't tell me they're not all rock because we have Journey, Eagles, Foreigner, Bon Jovi and Cheap Trick on the list, all of which are 'pop' bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2006 at 03:33
And if you want magazines, you could look at the Mojo Prog Rock special
edition. Let's not forget that Foxtrot beat out all Yes albums at number
two.

I'm not sure that says too much, but we're quoting semi-reputable
magazines. And for prog I'd trust a Mojo special edition over a
sensationalist classic rock mag.

^ Pearl Jam's 'Ten' is a fabulous album. Should have been higher.
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