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Rushatlantic
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Topic: Metal/Speed Solos: Annoying? Posted: March 13 2006 at 20:12 |
To me, in prog metal, all i hear is people playing overly fast guitar solos with the same 32nd and 64th note rhythms the entire time. I don't not like them (i actually love a great speed solo (see John Petrucci), it's just that they are so repetative that i can't tell them apart. I just wish that guitarists would incourperate more chops and rhythms into their solos like they used to (Yes, Rush, Zappa, King Crimson) and then maybe throw in a few speed solos. To me, skill isn't how fast you can play.
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Posted: March 13 2006 at 20:19 |
If you mean solos like Maiden, Metallica or Megadeth - awesome!![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
All the brutal death/black metal sounds all the same to me though![](smileys/smiley11.gif)
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Posted: March 13 2006 at 20:26 |
To me, in prog metal, all i hear is people playing overly fast guitar solos with the same 32nd and 64th note rhythms the entire time. That was certainly a by-product of 80's shred. I don't not like them (i actually love a great speed solo (see John Petrucci), it's just that they are so repetitive that i can't tell them apart. That's why people like C.C. DeVille were hated on so much in the 80's. Shred is fine; just inject some emotion into the playing. I just wish that guitarists would incorperate more chops and rhythms into their solos like they used to (Yes, Rush, Zappa, King Crimson) and then maybe throw in a few speed solos. Has Alex Lifeson EVER done a speed solo? That I recall...no, and I've owned, listened to and enjoyed (almost) every one of them. He told GUITAR WORLD that he considers himself more of a rhythm player than anything else. To me, skill isn't how fast you can play. True, to a point. With certain types of music (doesn't all have to be rock), though, you NEED some speed to navigate not only chord changes, but string-skipping and things like that. Even blues guitarists like Johnny Winter and Stevie Ray Vaughan were pretty speedy, but no one would DARE to say they were "shredders" or that they "lacked emotion".
Just a thought.
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Posted: March 13 2006 at 20:32 |
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Posted: March 13 2006 at 20:50 |
sbrushfan wrote:
To
me, in prog metal, all i hear is people playing overly fast guitar
solos with the same 32nd and 64th note rhythms the entire time. That was certainly a by-product of 80's shred. I
don't not like them (i actually love a great speed solo (see John
Petrucci), it's just that they are so repetitive that i can't tell them
apart. That's why people like C.C. DeVille were hated on so much in the 80's. HAH!!!
Poison/DeVille were quite popular back then... time hasn't been kind to
that group or really any group of that ilk. He's hated (not respected
is the better term) today.. not back then. Shred is fine; just inject some emotion into the playing. Personally
I find shredding boring as hell but it is purely technical isn't it...
is there any place for.... emotion in it. To make an anology we
can all relate to.... shredding is to music as a 'quickie' is to sex. I
just wish that guitarists would incorperate more chops and rhythms into
their solos like they used to (Yes, Rush, Zappa, King Crimson) and then
maybe throw in a few speed solos. Has Alex Lifeson EVER done a
speed solo? That I recall...no, and I've owned, listened to and
enjoyed (almost) every one of them. He told GUITAR WORLD that he
considers himself more of a rhythm player than anything else. I agree and can't recall one either.... To me, skill isn't how fast you can play. True,
to a point. With certain types of music (doesn't all have to be
rock), though, you NEED some speed to navigate not only chord changes,
but string-skipping and things like that. Even blues guitarists
like Johnny Winter and Stevie Ray Vaughan were pretty speedy, but no
one would DARE to say they were "shredders" or that they "lacked
emotion".
Just a thought.
and a good post! ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted: March 13 2006 at 21:25 |
Sometimes I find shredding accompanied by rapid fire double pedal work
(as you'll find in most speed/thrash metal) to be cathartic in a
way. Maybe I have some underlying aggression to work out or
something...
I have various moods in which I like different types of music,
sometimes soft, gentle acoustic stuff or lighter poppier sound
works...but sometimes I just need a band to kick some A. Ergo
metal.
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Posted: March 13 2006 at 21:52 |
Some awesome, some awful. Depends on which band!
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Posted: March 13 2006 at 22:36 |
If used sparengly it can be great, however if you are say Yngwie Malmsteen who feels the need to play at 200 miles per hour every second it can grow old fast.
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 19:38 |
walrus333 wrote:
If used sparingly it can be great; however if you are say Yngwie Malmsteen who feels the need to play at 200 miles per hour every second, it can grow old fast. |
Funny...Yngwie claims to be influenced by Richie Blackmore...if that's the case, why can't he frickin' slow down once in a while? I heard something by his band called "Alcatrazz" one time (my ex b/f swore by him...figures), and, me being a shred fan (Satch, Vai, Petrucci, Van Halen, etc.) I thought I'd like it. Within 15 seconds I was reaching for the nearest bucket.![](smileys/smiley11.gif)
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 19:41 |
micky wrote:
sbrushfan wrote:
To me, in prog metal, all i hear is people playing overly fast guitar solos with the same 32nd and 64th note rhythms the entire time. That was certainly a by-product of 80's shred. I don't not like them (i actually love a great speed solo (see John Petrucci), it's just that they are so repetitive that i can't tell them apart. That's why people like C.C. DeVille were hated on so much in the 80's. HAH!!! Poison/DeVille were quite popular back then... time hasn't been kind to that group or really any group of that ilk. He's hated (not respected is the better term) today.. not back then. Shred is fine; just inject some emotion into the playing. Personally I find shredding boring as hell but it is purely technical isn't it... is there any place for.... emotion in it. To make an anology we can all relate to.... shredding is to music as a 'quickie' is to sex. I just wish that guitarists would incorperate more chops and rhythms into their solos like they used to (Yes, Rush, Zappa, King Crimson) and then maybe throw in a few speed solos. Has Alex Lifeson EVER done a speed solo? That I recall...no, and I've owned, listened to and enjoyed (almost) every one of them. He told GUITAR WORLD that he considers himself more of a rhythm player than anything else. I agree and can't recall one either.... To me, skill isn't how fast you can play. True, to a point. With certain types of music (doesn't all have to be rock), though, you NEED some speed to navigate not only chord changes, but string-skipping and things like that. Even blues guitarists like Johnny Winter and Stevie Ray Vaughan were pretty speedy, but no one would DARE to say they were "shredders" or that they "lacked emotion".
Just a thought.
and a good post! ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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I know Poison were HIGHLY popular in the 80's (and C.C. Deville is now starring on THE SURREAL LIFE on VH1...figures); what I meant by that comment was that the backlash against them is unbearable...you should've seen the issue of Guitar World which listed the "100 WORST SOLOS, RIFFS & LICKS." DeVille appeared no less than 3 times! That's right....THREE f**king times! ![](smileys/smiley32.gif)
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Posted: March 15 2006 at 19:49 |
I guess it all depends on the context of the song, a mega high speed solo in a slow song would ruin it. There also some high speed players who have little variation in their solos and are just boreing.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 01:12 |
sbrushfan wrote:
Funny...Yngwie claims to be influenced by Richie Blackmore...if that's the case, why can't he frickin' slow down once in a while?
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His riffs are more Blackmore influenced.
As for me, I love some "shredders"... I can listen to Yngwie,
MacAlpine,
Friedman, Becker, Romeo, etc. all day. It does get tiring for me a
little bit every now and then... Like I realize how mindless and
repititive it is sometimes... but it's just so badass, lol. But shred
can sound like total sh*t especially by amatures. Edit: Shredders I don't like - Rusty Cooley, Herman Li.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 03:55 |
I love 'em.
I've really never understood the fuss about it all though. Personally I wouldn't call it showing off or anything as it's a music genre within itself. Take me for example, I like to shred. Am I trying to show off? No. I love shred! From a young age I was influenced by bands like Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Iron Maiden. Fast solos have always been a part of my music.
Sometimes I listen to classical. That's nice for calm, relaxing, mellowing out music. Shred is the exacty opposite. I think the whole "there is no passion" is bullsh*t, as all shred guitarists had to practice a lot to get where they are. I practice on average of about six hours a day and I'm still learning.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 06:39 |
^^^
I agree. Shredding (don't appreciate that word) suits the music like gentle slower and emotional guitar parts suit the prog songs we know. It bears the atmosphere of the song and conveys the power, rage, sorrow or every other feeling the song is trying to put through.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:59 |
When used very sparingly as an embellishment or when its needed to augment a composition, fine, but otherwise its just a display of technique and doesn't always make for good music.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:15 |
^^^
You can say that about almost any part of a song. If it doesn't augment the composition, than fine, but otherwise it is just a waste of time/display of technique/etc. and doesn't always make for good music.
I don't see what is the matter with the display of guitar technique. Any part of a song can ruin it, not just the guitar solo's.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:34 |
Yeah. And with the whole technique argument... Myself for example, I love the sound of pinch harmonics... I love the ferociousness (Sp?) of fast sweep picking... If people like Petrucci and Romeo (Obviously the two big culprits here) have spent the time to perfect it, then by all means they should be allowed to do it.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 10:14 |
Al - DiMeola...... Yay Fusion!
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 11:35 |
I can stand Dream theater with their fast solo´s...but when it´s all about them, like un Sym x...then no sir...that´s too much
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 13:19 |
I have to admit - annoying, as the whole sub-genre.
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