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Gabriel v. Jon Anderson: Gabriel both as singer and as lyricist

Steve Hackett v. Steve Howe : different roles, lots of Howe solos, Hacketts guitarplaying more incorporated. I´d say they´re equal

Rutherford v. Squire: Squire

Banks v. Wakeman: Banks -great composer with a sense for melodies Wakeman lacks.

Collins v. Bruford v. White: Bruford>White=Collins(Cinema show!)

Albums (Classic albums only)

Trespass v. Yes Album- The Yes album.

Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Nursery Cryme

Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- The most difficult one, two great albums, but I choose Foxtrot.

Selling England v. Relayer- Selling England

Lamb Lies Down v. Tales- Lamb wins by a mile!

Overall I prefer Genesis to Yes. Better composed songs, nicer melodies. There lyrics are a mix of fantsyepics, serious lyrics and English humour.

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As much as I dearly love Gabriel's Genesis, Yes are on a higher level of everything from songwriting to playing, to structure to consistency of sheer brilliance.
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Gabriel > Anderson
Hackett > Howe
Collins = Bruford
Rutherford < Squire
Banks > Wakeman

Trespass > the yes album  
Nursery cryme > Fragile
Foxtrot > CTTE (by a mile)
Selling > Relayer
Lamb > Tales
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I guess it all comes down to taste. To me Close to the Edge blows away anything made by Genesis, with or without Gabriel.

But, hey, why argue about it? Just enjoy whichever band you enjoy the most. Personally, that's Yes for me, but I've nothing against Genesis. And I really love Gabriel's solo work. His solo stuff far surpasses anybody else's from either band. IMO, of course.
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Gabriel v. Jon Anderson: Jon Anderson

Steve Hackett v. Steve Howe : Steve Howe

Rutherford v. Squire: Squire

Banks v. Wakeman: Wakeman

Collins v. Bruford v. White: Bruford>Collins>White

Albums (Classic albums only)

Trespass v. Yes Album- The Yes album.

Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Fragile

Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- Close to the edge

Selling England v. Relayer- Selling England

& the winner for me is YES,think genesis is a overrated band
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Gabriel < Anderson
Hackett < Howe
Collins < Bruford
Rutherford < Squire
Banks < Wakeman

Trespass < the yes album  
Nursery cryme = Fragile
Foxtrot < CTTE
Selling < Relayer
Lamb = Tales
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2006 at 22:15
Originally posted by karakatoa karakatoa wrote:

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Gabriel v. Jon Anderson: Jon Anderson

Steve Hackett v. Steve Howe : Steve Howe

Rutherford v. Squire: Squire

Banks v. Wakeman: Wakeman

Collins v. Bruford v. White: Bruford>Collins>White

Albums (Classic albums only)

Trespass v. Yes Album- The Yes album.

Nursery Cryme v. Fragile- Fragile

Foxtrot v. Close to the Edge- Close to the edge

Selling England v. Relayer- Selling England

& the winner for me is YES,think genesis is a overrated band

A bit fanboyish no?

I'm starting to believethe word overrated is overrated

Iván



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   Jon Andreson > Peter Gabriel  Jon has a much nicer sounding voice and never did rubbish vocals like Back in NYC. Gabriel did amazing stuff with limited ability

  Steve Hackett > Steve Howe  Steve is very subtle . Howe is a repressed front man cos he can't sing. Compare hackett's solo work

  Banks > Wakeman Too often wakeman although technically better appears bored

  Squire > Rutherford

  Collins > Bruford   Collins is a damn good drummer. People just hate him because of the direction genesis went.

 Time and a WORD < Trespass

  The Yes Album > Nursery Cryme

  Fragile < Foxtrot

  CTTE < SEBTP  Never worked out why CTTE brings on such orgasmic ecstacies

  Tales <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<< TLLDOB

  Relayer > Trick

   Going  > WAW

  Tormato > ATTW3

   9012  < Duke  (Yes aint Yes without JA)

 

 After that Genesis' for the most part weren't really progressive any more.

 The final verdict; Yes greater individual talent is matched by Genesis better ability to work as an ensemble.

 It would either be with Yes because the deplorable state Genesis got themselves in ( Invisible Touch. Yes never sunk that low) or

with Genesis because the Lamb is a masterpiece and TFTO an embarrassment to the prog genre.

 What was that line in Battle of epping forrest about being a draw

 
How wonderful to be so profound
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2006 at 23:07
Originally posted by erlenst erlenst wrote:

Well, considering the amount of sh*t Rick has done as a solo artist, his words doesn't mean anything in my opinion. Ritchie Blackmore has also stated that Fireball is crap, and we all know that is ridiculous.


I believe that after this:

With Strawbs:

   

With Yes

       

Alone:

            

 

           

 

 

His word means a lot, at least to me.

This is more in number and more valuaable than what most artists can do in two life times. He has done a lot of pay bill albums, but being modest with all his work and not mentioning  several great solo live releases, he knows what he talks about.

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There is a bit of concensus, but still much ambiguity:

Gabriel > Anderson
Howe > Hackett
Banks > Wakeman
Squire > Rutherford
Bruford > Collins > White

Albums are more sketchy
Yes Album > Trespass
Fragile = Nursery Cryme
Foxtrot = CttE
Selling > Relayer
Lamb > Tales

Not perfect by any means, but that's the general breakdown to now.
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Only counting those who voted indivuidyually (No ties mentioned except when really significative) until Angel of Repose:

  • Gabriel 10.......Anderson 3 
  • Howe 7.......Hackett 4    (5 ties)
  • Squire 16 ....Rutherford 0 (Poor Mike, not a single vote)
  • Banks 11......Wakeman 3 (??????) (Counting both in their roles as members of Yes and Genesis...Never expected this)
  • Bruford....Collins.....White (Too lazy to count but it's pretty clear.

 

  • Yes Album 9......Trespass 4
  • Nursery Cryme 7......Fragile 3
  • Foxtrot 8...CTTE 6 (A lot of ties, tough one, I thought CTTE was going to win by far, but seems Supper's Ready was too much)
  • SEBTP 7....Relayer 5 (Tough one)
  • Lamb 8 .....Tales 2

Yes

Members

  • Howe  (very tight)
  • Squire (Unanimous)
  • Bruford (Almost unanimous)

Albums:

  • Yes album

Genesis:

Members

  • Peter Gabriel (By far)
  • Tony Banks (Incredible, the second biggest number of votes after Squire and the second biggest difference)

Albums

  • Nursery Cryme
  • Foxtrot
  • SEBTP
  • The Lamb

Where is Progger when you need him?

Iván

 



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  • Anderson ***** Gabriel**** Horn **
  • Bruford*****White***Collins***1/2
  • Wakeman*****Downes****Kaye***1/2 Banks***1/2
  • Howe***** Banks**1/2 Rabin**** Hackett**** Phillips***
  • Squire***** Rutherford****

 

  • The YES Album ***** Tresspass***
  • Fragile ***** Nursery Cryme ***
  • CTTE ***** Foxtrot ***1/2
  • Relayer ***** SEBTP ****
  • TFTO **** The Lamb ***1/2
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  • ANDERSON>GABRIEL
  • HOWE>HACKETT
  • BRUFORD>COLLINS
  • SQUIRE>RUTHERFORD
  • WAKEMAN>BANKS
  • TYA>TRESSPASS
  • FRAGILE>NURSERY CRYME
  • CTTE>FOXTROT [By a mile]
  • RELAYER>SEBTP[By two miles]
  • TFTO>LAMB[By 1000 000 miles]
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Classic era YES [All members] vrs classic era Genesis [All members]. I have to go with YES in every department.

Also every classic YES period album is far better than any classic Genesis period album!

So, in every departrment YES>GENESIS.
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I don' t want to compare this two. Both are essential bands but I like Yes better, what is  just a matter of personal opinion.
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Originally posted by Tales Tales wrote:

Classic era YES [All members] vrs classic era Genesis [All members]. I have to go with YES in every department.

Also every classic YES period album is far better than any classic Genesis period album!

So, in every departrment YES>GENESIS.

You are so right Tales, although, it does all smack of my dad is bigger than your dad syndrome doesn't it? Are you the same Tales that was on the Dutch Prog site a few years ago if so you will enjoy this site much better. People actually talk on here and respond to both intelligent points and highly stupid ones as well

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Right! Let's put you all right on this Banks v Wakeman nonsense.....

Composition skills:

Banks >> Wakeman

Keyboard skills:

Wakeman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Banks

OK?

 

 
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I'm surprised so many people prefer Bruford to Collins. Bruford is certainly more Jazzy and different, a bit more laid back and less in your face, but Collins drums are more boombastic and quite often define a song, particularly in later Genesis.

Depends on what mood I'm in at the time really. Although Cinema show always does it for me.
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Originally posted by Losendos Losendos wrote:

   9012  < Duke  (Yes aint Yes without JA)

Are you saying "JA" wasn't on 90125? Because he was.
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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

For me its easy, I profer Genesis over Yes but as they are completely different bands its not easy to compare them. In terchnicall abilaty Yes are just ahead of Genesis but Genesis composed songs better than any other band, ever. Besides, the sound Chris Squire gets from his bass really anoys me, and as a bassist that ruins the record a bit for me.

 

I agree that both bands are completely different but has anyone noticed their similarity on the Spot The Pigeon EP.  The song Inside and Out is almost Yes pastiche, you could mistake Steve Hackett for Steve Howe on that one.  It's the instrumental bit at the end.
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