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Points: 1823 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2006 at 10:37

Here's another thread on the same topic:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11139

It went on for 12 pages without coming to any real conclusion.

But I did learn something ... men are more likely than women to be autistic. Maybe that's the explanation?



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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

The reason 'most' women seem to not like prog, is the same reason that 'most' women dont like fishing or football; it's the nerdy, anorak, chart, league tables, genre, sub-genre geek collector element of it all. Prog is not about fun, it's about being serious, and remember, girls just wanna have fun, right! I think for most women, hearing someone go on about prog is like listening to someone who collects railway memorobilia. Un-interesting and un-sexy.

Isn't it possible to be nerdy about any kind of music not just prog? Couldn't you have a nerdy collection of pop records for instance? I suppose it's hard to collect pop records because the bands normally only last for one album.


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Originally posted by martinprog77 martinprog77 wrote:

IM SURE THIS ONE WAS POST BEFORE BUT ANYWAY.IM NOT SURE WHY .ALL THE GIRLS I KNOW NOBODY LIKE PROG[SOME DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT PROG IS ABOUT]AND PREFERT TO LISTEN POP OR SOMETHING LIKE RICKY MARTIN.EVEN MY WIFE DONT LIKE IT TOO MUCH[EXCEPT CAMEL,SPOCKS BEARD,GENESIS,AND THE FLOWER KINGS]SO ANYBODY KNOW WHY WOMEN ARENT INTO PROG?AND WOMEN OUT THERE CAN YOU ANWSER THIS ONE...PS THE FIRST WOMAN I KNOW WHO WAS INTO PROG IS MY MOM[ SHE IS A BIG FAN OF QUEEN,PINK FLOYD,CAMEL,GENESIS AND YES].TO MY MOTHER NOEMI I LOVE YOUFOR EVERYTHING

Ahhhh -- he wuvs his widdle mommy!Embarrassed

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ErmmSeriously, for whatever reasons (biology, society, both), I have found that the majority of dedicated music (of any type) fans are males. There are many such general differences in the predilections of the genders, but there are always exceptions! (For example, I'd much rather watch a non-violent, dialogue-driven historical drama -- from Jane Austen, say -- than a macho "action" flic. Oh what a freak am I!Confused)

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Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:

One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics.  For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression.  Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself.  Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST.  Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc.  Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint.  Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs.  (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection)  Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something.  Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about.  For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever.  THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.    

Uhm, maybe I get you wrong, but isn't one of the most important factors of prog to set a certain mood? Seriously, prog's more about setting complex moods with the music and the tone of the instruments etc than just sheer complexity - take In The Land Of Grey And Pink for example.

Giving off a feeling is one of the tasks of prog-rock, but the is to not do it in a blunt blatant manner, but rather with subtle musical changes.

I think it's the fact that the LYRICS hold little feeling is what turns women off; they aren't interested for the feelings produced by the music. However, I've noted that women who like classical (my mother) like prog a lot (she loves Genesis, Radiohead, Yes, KC) or were from the 70's 60's (my aunt, who knew Thijs van Leer).

It's the crappy hiphop culture that's ruined it; if you remove the vocals from certain songs, there's not really much left.
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:

One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics.  For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression.  Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself.  Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST.  Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc.  Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint.  Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs.  (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection)  Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something.  Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about.  For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever.  THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.

Well, I think anyone who listens to music just to look for complex arrangements or interesting chords has his head stuck up his bum, to be honest. Why don't you just read the sheet music instead? You might as well look at paintings to search for curves of interesting functions! That's what's wrong with some of the modern composers, by the way. The concept is more important to them than the sound. I really don't care that Krachmanninoff's "Concerto for Badly Tuned Orchestra and Two Sewing-Machines" makes use of the fastest and most complex rhythms ever (the syncopated rhythms of the sewing needles working at a slightly different tempo) or that Noisoffski's "Symphony for 200 Refrigerators" mixes the sounds of these refrigerators in a really intricate way if the result of it does not move me a bit. If you are not able to fill your complexity with a soul, you are not a musician, you are a technician.
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My mum and dad were into prog and rock, my mum was into Vangelis, Yes, Rick Wakeman, ELP, Mike Oldfield, Gordon Giltrapp and a little bit of Uriah Heep.

My mates Fiance is into prog, she loves prog-metal especially DT due to the fact she "likes" JP.

But I think to answer this question we really need some women to help us out on this so any women around here on the archive please help us out on this tricky question.
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I know several girls who like Genesis and Pink Floyd, and i got one girl into Yes.
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Probobly becaus all the prog rockers are so uggly and they dont play thire songs on the radio  
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:




Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:

One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics.  For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression.  Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself.  Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST.  Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc.  Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint.  Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs.  (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection)  Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something.  Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about.  For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever.  THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.
Well, I think anyone who listens to music just to look for complex arrangements or interesting chords has his head stuck up his bum, to be honest. Why don't you just read the sheet music instead? You might as well look at paintings to search for curves of interesting functions! That's what's wrong with some of the modern composers, by the way. The concept is more important to them than the sound. I really don't care that Krachmanninoff's "Concerto for Badly Tuned Orchestra and Two Sewing-Machines" makes use of the fastest and most complex rhythms ever (the syncopated rhythms of the sewing needles working at a slightly different tempo) or that Noisoffski's "Symphony for 200 Refrigerators" mixes the sounds of these refrigerators in a really intricate way if the result of it does not move me a bit. If you are not able to fill your complexity with a soul, you are not a musician, you are a technician.


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Anyway, Blacksword comment is quite true!
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I've known some girls who like some prog. They are usually musicians though, and look for the good in the music before asking what the band looks like and what trainers they wear!

The reason 'most' women seem to not like prog, is the same reason that 'most' women dont like fishing or football; it's the nerdy, anorak, chart, league tables, genre, sub-genre geek collector element of it all. Prog is not about fun, it's about being serious, and remember, girls just wanna have fun, right! I think for most women, hearing someone go on about prog is like listening to someone who collects railway memorobilia. Un-interesting and un-sexy.

Phil Collins did say once that he thought women didn't like Genesis in the 70's, because the music was too demanding for them!  He didn't actually mean it in a chauvenistic sense...or so he claimed.



Ah. I guess I'm lucky then. My girlfriend (... or ... sort of) claims that I actually am sexy when I am completely absorbed by looking through all the vinyls in used record shops !


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Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:

One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics.  For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression.  Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself.  Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST.  Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc.  Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint.  Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs.  (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection)  Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something.  Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about.  For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever.  THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.

Well, I think anyone who listens to music just to look for complex arrangements or interesting chords has his head stuck up his bum, to be honest. Why don't you just read the sheet music instead? You might as well look at paintings to search for curves of interesting functions! That's what's wrong with some of the modern composers, by the way. The concept is more important to them than the sound. I really don't care that Krachmanninoff's "Concerto for Badly Tuned Orchestra and Two Sewing-Machines" makes use of the fastest and most complex rhythms ever (the syncopated rhythms of the sewing needles working at a slightly different tempo) or that Noisoffski's "Symphony for 200 Refrigerators" mixes the sounds of these refrigerators in a really intricate way if the result of it does not move me a bit. If you are not able to fill your complexity with a soul, you are not a musician, you are a technician.
If it is all about complexity, write a complicated computer program that will do things no-one has done before and no-human being can play and then play it to another computer; maybe the other computer will enjoy it.


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Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:

One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics.  For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression.  Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself.  Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST.  Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc.  Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint.  Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs.  (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection)  Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something.  Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about.  For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever.  THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.    



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Originally posted by robertplantowns robertplantowns wrote:

One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics.  For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression.  Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself.  Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST.  Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc.  Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint.  Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs.  (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection)  Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something.  Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about.  For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever.  THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.

Well, I think anyone who listens to music just to look for complex arrangements or interesting chords has his head stuck up his bum, to be honest. Why don't you just read the sheet music instead? You might as well look at paintings to search for curves of interesting functions! That's what's wrong with some of the modern composers, by the way. The concept is more important to them than the sound. I really don't care that Krachmanninoff's "Concerto for Badly Tuned Orchestra and Two Sewing-Machines" makes use of the fastest and most complex rhythms ever (the syncopated rhythms of the sewing needles working at a slightly different tempo) or that Noisoffski's "Symphony for 200 Refrigerators" mixes the sounds of these refrigerators in a really intricate way if the result of it does not move me a bit. If you are not able to fill your complexity with a soul, you are not a musician, you are a technician.


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A female friend first introduced me to early Genesis, when I was a teenager and was into Jane' Addiction, thrash/death metal and grunge. A year later, my girlfriend then introduced me to Zappa and King Crimson.

I was convinced by another female friend of mine to give Soft Machine, VdGG and Gong another chance after first dismissing it. She even gave me and my girlfriend her own copy of Wyatt's 'Rock Bottom', because she thougt we had to have it.

Last year I was at a birthday party for a girlfriend of hers.  On the invitation it  said: You are invited to an evening of a simple buffet/food and complex music. illustrated by a picture of Mr. Wyatt and the girl on wheels from 'Nursery Cryme'. That evening was ruined by drunk boys, wanting to hear party music they could dance to.

What can I say? Go to art school (I did), maybe.

Mr. Plant, I think some of your generalisation is very wrong an unhealthy. I have sad and happy collection of songs as well. And I listen to music for its feeling.

Guess I wouldn't get into a really technical, atonal, math metal that is so complex and intricate that it doesen't give off any feeling whatsoever, either.




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I've known some girls who like some prog. They are usually musicians though, and look for the good in the music before asking what the band looks like and what trainers they wear!

The reason 'most' women seem to not like prog, is the same reason that 'most' women dont like fishing or football; it's the nerdy, anorak, chart, league tables, genre, sub-genre geek collector element of it all. Prog is not about fun, it's about being serious, and remember, girls just wanna have fun, right! I think for most women, hearing someone go on about prog is like listening to someone who collects railway memorobilia. Un-interesting and un-sexy.

Phil Collins did say once that he thought women didn't like Genesis in the 70's, because the music was too demanding for them!  He didn't actually mean it in a chauvenistic sense...or so he claimed.

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The question is, are there any differences in the demographics. How many males like progressive music?
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Women (in general and not counting the few exceptions like our BaldAngels) relate to music in a different way that men do.

For them, music is more in the festive area and all too often relegated to dancing (night out in discos, weddings or even aerobics-releted) but they siumply do not really imagine just sitting down and actually listen (and do nothing else but listen) to the music.

 

If I may use a cliché, they relate music to finding a mate via a lovedance parade and therefore listen to the music relating to it. This might be a little reductive , but on the whole, it is not that far from reality at all!

This is why Withney Houston sells million , because each and everyone of her songs is related to love (in the greater picture of it). Not likely she will ever sing a track about the White House sending troops on fabricated proofs and lies to a foreign country.

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