why women dont like prog?
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Topic: why women dont like prog?
Posted By: martinprog77
Subject: why women dont like prog?
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:28
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IM SURE THIS ONE WAS POST BEFORE BUT ANYWAY.IM NOT SURE WHY .ALL THE GIRLS I KNOW NOBODY LIKE PROG[SOME DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT PROG IS ABOUT]AND PREFERT TO LISTEN POP OR SOMETHING LIKE RICKY MARTIN ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
.EVEN MY WIFE DONT LIKE IT TOO MUCH[EXCEPT CAMEL,SPOCKS BEARD,GENESIS,AND THE FLOWER KINGSReplies:
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:35
My mother likes melodic prog(Camel,Floyd,Marillion,Pendragon,Tai Phong and even Crimson's Epitaph!  ).She also likes Deep Purple and Uriah Heep(seriuosly!)
I think that's all because of non-music stuff - the way the musicians look(if you were a girl would you prefer bold and old Peter Gabriel to handsome guys from N'Sync?),their abcense on TV("wot?They have no videos?I can't watch 'em on MTV???They suck!") etc.Just relax - women are not for prog,they're for love. BTW,you have a wife.That's lucky!!!I never had even a girlfriend!!! 
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:41
DONT WORRY PROG-JESTER YOU ARE TOO YOUNG  AND AGREE WOMEN ARE FOR LOVE BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW COOL TO HAVE A GIRLFRIEND [OR MAYBE MORE]WHO LOVES PROG .THAT COULD BE GREAT.------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:47
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Please write in lowercase martinprog77. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:52
Agree  .Some girls whom I know use to listen to metal music(which sometimes related to prog...a few of them even aquainted with DT,PoS,Lacrimosa etc).I gave Collage's "Moonshine" to the girl from my university...now she wants more!!! Gonna give her some Neo Prog soon
Another girl who I know is going to be the keyboard player in my band(we play Doom,inspired by OPETH,MY DUING BRIDE and ESTATIC FEAR).What a pity - she lives in other town  .But she enjoyed everything I sent her(a CD-r copies of the best from Genesis,IQ,Marillion,Collage,King Crimson,Camel etc works)...
The situation is not that hopeless! 
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:52
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OK
------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 04:00
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One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics. For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression. Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself. Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST. Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc. Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint. Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs. (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection) Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something. Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about. For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever. THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 05:12
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Women (in general and not counting the few exceptions like our BaldAngels) relate to music in a different way that men do. For them, music is more in the festive area and all too often relegated to dancing (night out in discos, weddings or even aerobics-releted) but they siumply do not really imagine just sitting down and actually listen (and do nothing else but listen) to the music.
If I may use a cliché, they relate music to finding a mate via a lovedance parade and therefore listen to the music relating to it. This might be a little reductive , but on the whole, it is not that far from reality at all! This is why Withney Houston sells million , because each and everyone of her songs is related to love (in the greater picture of it). Not likely she will ever sing a track about the White House sending troops on fabricated proofs and lies to a foreign country. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 05:21
| The question is, are there any differences in the demographics. How many males like progressive music? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 05:22
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I've known some girls who like some prog. They are usually musicians though, and look for the good in the music before asking what the band looks like and what trainers they wear! The reason 'most' women seem to not like prog, is the same reason that 'most' women dont like fishing or football; it's the nerdy, anorak, chart, league tables, genre, sub-genre geek collector element of it all. Prog is not about fun, it's about being serious, and remember, girls just wanna have fun, right! I think for most women, hearing someone go on about prog is like listening to someone who collects railway memorobilia. Un-interesting and un-sexy. Phil Collins did say once that he thought women didn't like Genesis in the 70's, because the music was too demanding for them! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 05:22
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A female friend first introduced me to early Genesis, when I was a
teenager and was into Jane' Addiction, thrash/death metal and grunge. A
year later, my girlfriend then introduced me to Zappa and King Crimson. I was convinced by another female friend of mine to give Soft Machine, VdGG and Gong another chance after first dismissing it. She even gave me and my girlfriend her own copy of Wyatt's 'Rock Bottom', because she thougt we had to have it. Last year I was at a birthday party for a girlfriend of hers. On the invitation it said: You are invited to an evening of a simple buffet/food and complex music. illustrated by a picture of Mr. Wyatt and the girl on wheels from 'Nursery Cryme'. That evening was ruined by drunk boys, wanting to hear party music they could dance to. What can I say? Go to art school (I did), maybe.  Mr. Plant, I think some of your generalisation is very wrong an unhealthy. I have sad and happy collection of songs as well. And I listen to music for its feeling. Guess I wouldn't get into a really technical, atonal, math metal that is so complex and intricate that it doesen't give off any feeling whatsoever, either. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 05:27
woman only like what appeals to them 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 05:46
Well, I think anyone who listens to music just to look for complex arrangements or interesting chords has his head stuck up his bum, to be honest. Why don't you just read the sheet music instead? You might as well look at paintings to search for curves of interesting functions! That's what's wrong with some of the modern composers, by the way. The concept is more important to them than the sound. I really don't care that Krachmanninoff's "Concerto for Badly Tuned Orchestra and Two Sewing-Machines" makes use of the fastest and most complex rhythms ever (the syncopated rhythms of the sewing needles working at a slightly different tempo) or that Noisoffski's "Symphony for 200 Refrigerators" mixes the sounds of these refrigerators in a really intricate way if the result of it does not move me a bit. If you are not able to fill your complexity with a soul, you are not a musician, you are a technician. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
robertplantowns wrote:Posted By: eloii
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 05:50
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 06:18
Well, I think anyone who listens to music just to look for complex arrangements or interesting chords has his head stuck up his bum, to be honest. Why don't you just read the sheet music instead? You might as well look at paintings to search for curves of interesting functions! That's what's wrong with some of the modern composers, by the way. The concept is more important to them than the sound. I really don't care that Krachmanninoff's "Concerto for Badly Tuned Orchestra and Two Sewing-Machines" makes use of the fastest and most complex rhythms ever (the syncopated rhythms of the sewing needles working at a slightly different tempo) or that Noisoffski's "Symphony for 200 Refrigerators" mixes the sounds of these refrigerators in a really intricate way if the result of it does not move me a bit. If you are not able to fill your complexity with a soul, you are not a musician, you are a technician. If it is all about complexity, write a complicated computer program that will do things no-one has done before and no-human being can play and then play it to another computer; maybe the other computer will enjoy it. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 06:31
Ah. I guess I'm lucky then. My girlfriend (... or ... sort of) claims that I actually am sexy when I am completely absorbed by looking through all the vinyls in used record shops ! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 06:41
| Anyway, Blacksword comment is quite true! |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 06:42
Only emotion matters, indeed. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 06:44
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Probobly becaus all the prog rockers are so uggly and they dont play thire songs on the radio ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:08
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to Zargus;; Geddy Lee is no prize package, & i hear RUSH all the time on the radio..
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:26
| I know several girls who like Genesis and Pink Floyd, and i got one girl into Yes. |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 07:50
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My mum and dad were into prog and rock, my mum was into Vangelis, Yes, Rick Wakeman, ELP, Mike Oldfield, Gordon Giltrapp and a little bit of Uriah Heep. My mates Fiance is into prog, she loves prog-metal especially DT due to the fact she "likes" JP. But I think to answer this question we really need some women to help us out on this so any women around here on the archive please help us out on this tricky question. ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:07
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------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:27
Uhm, maybe I get you wrong, but isn't one of the most important factors of prog to set a certain mood? Seriously, prog's more about setting complex moods with the music and the tone of the instruments etc than just sheer complexity - take In The Land Of Grey And Pink for example. Giving off a feeling is one of the tasks of prog-rock, but the is to not do it in a blunt blatant manner, but rather with subtle musical changes. I think it's the fact that the LYRICS hold little feeling is what turns women off; they aren't interested for the feelings produced by the music. However, I've noted that women who like classical (my mother) like prog a lot (she loves Genesis, Radiohead, Yes, KC) or were from the 70's 60's (my aunt, who knew Thijs van Leer). It's the crappy hiphop culture that's ruined it; if you remove the vocals from certain songs, there's not really much left. ------------- http://www.soundclick.com/rosescar/ - My music! "THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 10:25
Ahhhh -- he wuvs his widdle mommy!
So what?
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Seriously, for whatever reasons (biology, society, both), I have found that the majority of dedicated music (of any type) fans are males. There are many such general differences in the predilections of the genders, but there are always exceptions! (For example, I'd much rather watch a non-violent, dialogue-driven historical drama -- from Jane Austen, say -- than a macho "action" flic. Oh what a freak am I!
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 10:35
Isn't it possible to be nerdy about any kind of music not just prog? Couldn't you have a nerdy collection of pop records for instance? I suppose it's hard to collect pop records because the bands normally only last for one album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 10:37
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Here's another thread on the same topic: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11139 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11139 It went on for 12 pages without coming to any real conclusion. But I did learn something ... men are more likely than women to be autistic. Maybe that's the explanation? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/BobGreece/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 04:54
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Oh, well - there you go again! By the way, I'm a woman, and I've ALWAYS listened to prog, classic rock, hard rock and even heavy metal. On the other hand, I've ALWAYS hated all kinds of sappy, romantic, chart-friendly music. One of the reasons why I don't like most of the music produced in my own country (Italy) is that it tends to be too melodic. This doesn't mean I hate all songs based on love, feelings, emotions and what not: I like those whose music I like more than their words. I guess I've never been your typical female, as I like fantastic literature much more than romance, I don't go and see chick flicks, I've never read "Bridget Jones".... As to lyrics, I appreciate it when a song says something deeper than "I miss you" and such. That's why I love lyrics by (for instance) Peter Gabriel, Neil Peart, Roger Waters. So, please, stop saying offensive things about women not being able to understand or appreciate complex music or intelligent lyrics. It may be true that many women like dance music or chart fodder, but it is also true of most men. Otherwise, the charts would be full of prog and Whitney Houston or Ricky Martin would be begging in the streets. |
Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 05:04
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Yawn, this subject gets floated about all the time.
I don't find it offensive, I just think it's funny now! I TOTALLY agree with Baldfriede, other than that my only conclusion can surely be....... maybe you guys are meeting the wrong kind of women! Men can be SO fickle, you want a girl to look like she just fell off a catwalk, but you want her to to be as 'nerdy' (not my choice of word) as you! Strewth! Wake up, smell the roses, there are plenty of girly prog fans out there, but maybe they just don't fancy you! P-C
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 05:26
Oh yes indeed, but I think it's a different kind of nerdiness.. The most 'nerdy' folk I've ever met are into techno or Hip Hop. They collect records like we do, they worship vinyl MORE than we do, they talk endlessly about makes of mixers, the best slipmats for your 'decks' and collaborations between obscure DJ's who no one outside their circle has ever heard of. In principle, does any of this sound familiar, folks?? But it's still a different nerdishness, as it's tied in with fashion, and dancing and is therefore more accessable to females. It's about having a good time (however sh!t it may appear to us) I had heard it said that males were more likely to be autistic than females. I think thats true, and I think there is a degree of autism in ALL men, but a male tendancy towards prog is not really an indicator of that IMO. Most of us comment on how emotional we find prog rock, and if you were autisitic - at certain ends of the spectrum - you wouldn't respond emotionally to music, certainly not in the way that we describe. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 05:37
I can understand that it can be provoking for a woman to read these posts. However, do YOU have an explanation on why so few females listen to prog ? Sure, most men don't either, but you know as well as us that there are a LOT fewer females who listen to it ! |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 06:07
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My mother likes Barclay James Harvest and The Moody Blues, oh and Procol Harum, but she's not into any of the prog I like. I have a lot of female friends, most aren't into prog, but one does like Liquid Tension Experiment, a few like Porcupine Tree and a lot more of them like Opeth. None, as far as I know, are into their classic prog but one girl likes Steve Hackett. Oh and two of them like Jethro Tull too, but they're American strangely enough... But, out of my male friends, very few are into prog either, they're more metal orientated on the whole. I know a guy who likes Can, Faust, Television and Lou Reed and he is getting into VdGG now too, but he's in his 40s I think. Another guy likes IQ and The Flower Kings. But I do agree, there does seem to be a lack of women liking prog, I have no answer why really, I guess it all depends on their upbringing, their friends and relations and all that. -------------   
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:13
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I think its a offensive stereotype to say there are no female prog fans, i have seen footage of Yes live, and there were a lot of female fans there, and obviously they werent there because of the bands sex appeal. And Yes, Genesis and Pink Floyd have a lot of qualitys that would appeal to most women, in both their sound and their theme. But a friend of mine dosent like King Crimson, she thinks they are too noisy and weird, cant say shes wrong, because those are 2 of the main qualitys that made the band so popular to begin with. |
Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:25
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My policy was always like, if you meet a woman who likes Frank Zappa,
marry her, because they're that rare, and the ones I have met were always very cool. My girlfriend now always grabs one of my CDs to listen to while working around the house, and when I recently gave her a Snakefinger to listen to, said, "Oh, I was hoping for something more complex"...so she's just getting used to it gradually, with no prompting from me. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:41
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Hormones.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:00
Well, I dont think anyones suggesting that there are none, but it is obviously a 'male dominated' thing. Genesis used to count the women in their audiences, on one hand! One girl I used to know used to say 'What is that awful sound?!' whenever I used to play prog. I wasn't sure which 'awful' sound she was reffering to. It turned out it was our beloved Mellotron!
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:17
| My girlfriend never ceases to surprise me. Though she doesn't really LOVE any of the music I listen to, she'd much rather I put on Faust or Zappa than the Flower Kings, and she's always up for attending a gig with me. I've never managed to play her a song that she's found too weird or difficult to listen to. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:19
Too bloody right, Friede. |
Posted By: Young
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:19
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My wife loves prog. There are other married members here with their spouse being a prog fan. |
Posted By: antibiotic
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 13:49
I guess this is why so many women are into hip hop with lyrics where they are more often than not called whores and sluts, degraded in any possible way and what not.  Perhaps you
should think before saying something, so that people like me don't come
along and make you look, well, not that bright. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 14:32
You complete and utter.... girl! You, with your la-di-da Jane Austen and high falutin' language; what do you think this forum is for - women? 
++scratches testicles & clears throat+++
Sorry - don't quite know what came over me, there. I personally know quite a few ladies of the female persuasion who are not adverse to long-winded well written music, one especially (a long absent member of this forum) my wife - I have to say, it took a while to persuade her of prog rock's many and varied merits (especially after she saw a 1984 film of Yes, after which she referred to a certain vocalist as "that mincing tart"), but the hard work paid off, and she now loves the oevre... She also loves the fact that when we go to a prog gig, there's never a queue for the ladies loos, as 99% of the audience is made up of greying men of a 'certain' age. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: March 19 2006 at 15:30
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Yes the Dark Age... ..or should that be Dork Ages..... |
Posted By: Raul
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:32
| I've learned that women do like prog, the thing is that they haven't been as exposed to it as males. |
Posted By: White Feather
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 09:56
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 15:06
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I think alot of you are stereotyping women with many of these comments. There are probably as many males as females that aren't into prog as much as the commercial stuff. Maybe you should take some time to get to know some other women. I have many female friends, sisters and a girlfriend that loves prog. You don't have to be a musician to appreciate good music. However you may have to put some effort into finding a friend (male or female) that does appreciate prog. And when you find them, hold on to them!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 15:21
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Sorry to contradict you... but I remember when, two years ago, I went to see Rush in Milan and I had to queue for about a quarter of an hour to get into the ladies! The gents, on the other hand, was almost empty... So much for stereotypes! |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 20 2006 at 15:49
Or, as Peter Gabriel said so distinctly, "Lady, kiss that prog..."  ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 16:58
I think my mum doesn't like it because she wasn't a kid in that era .. Maybe women don't like it because it's heavy :x ------------- 
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 17:32
Obviously, not all prog is heavy! Try Camel or Caravan for example. PS. Could you use a bigger font so it would be easier to read? ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: soundsweird
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 02:21
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....because they can't dance to it.
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Posted By: ViolinCyndee
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 03:30
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I like it! Cyndee ------------- http://cdbaby.com/cd/cyndeeleerule www.cyndeeleerule.com |
Posted By: USAGirl
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 03:33
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I like it too. And I can dance to it. In fact it is a lot more interesting to dance to than what is usually offered as "dance music".
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 04:32
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a lot of what you say is true unfortunately regarding SOME women but many of your comments are rather sexist....!!!! shame on you - i can hear the few female prog fans we've got reading the above angrily throwing their mice at their computer screens right now! seriously, it's all down to personal taste - i've known lots of women into all types of prog but most seem to dislike heavy metal with a passion. -------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 04:33
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There is not many males either that listen to prog ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Pablo_P
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:41
I know some girls that like progressive rock... to be honest, I don't like the others
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Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:44
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I like small writing :) Meh, rock music doesn't interest mum .. she's into UB40 and simply red ...
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Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:46
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He said that? :x Lol :D *hits Peter with a sledgehammer*
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:48
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My wife was singing Comforatbly numb and Shine on you crazy diamond while we were making breakfast this morning....
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Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:12
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Finally, an intelligent remark... as a deep prog-lover, and most definitely of the female gender, I seriously began to doubt whether a lot of you males over here have ever seriously tried to understand a woman. One thing *I* wonder about is how it is possible that so many of the 'prog-males' over here seem to actually be married to a someone that doesn't share their interest. I wouldn't be able to stay in such a marriage, actually... guess it's my wrong. No offense intended BTW - let's all just keep enjoying the music we love! ------------- 
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Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:36
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Awww ... sweet :) x -------------
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:48
I know a PA member (but i won't reveal his identity) who likes to dance on Zappa, GG, and Coltrane/Ascension... if you read this... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:15
Hi Antennas, (missed you last saturday in The Hague) Who says we do not share interests with our mates? The main thing is to find someone with whom you can spend a lot of time with, someone you love and care for, etc.... As there are too few woman not in prog music, (even you will not deny this, I hope) and some like Jean and Friede marry in between themselves, (to make matters worse as the ratio of finding a prog-loving woman decreases even further), prog-loving males must actually settle with a mate that does not really have our musical tastes (although mine is slowly learning , but it is not always easy to get her attention on these groups), but this hardly means that I do not share other interests with my long-standing girlfriend (12 years now). You'd not be thinking much of me if I was to leave her just for not having the same musical tastes. You'd not be thinking much of me if I was to leave her if I found a woman who loved prog and had not much other affinities with her. With some women, you can never have it right ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:40
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... ------------- Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear "Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:26
It would be a good excuse for Jerry Seinfeld or George Castanza. As I said my girlfriend loves prog and has her own definite tastes on what she thinks is good or bad. The majority of the population (male & female) are only exposed to the very commercial uninspired Top 40 radio hits. If someone isn't curious enough to look further that's all they're going to understand. Male or female I think alot of what we like is what we've been exposed to growing up or influenced by other friends. I do feel lucky I've found someone who can enjoy the kind of music I like. However being exposed to prog doesn't necessarily mean everyone will like it. That would be boring. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:52
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^ agreed! My wife has turned me on to music I never would have listened to before I met her, and vice versa. She now loves Porcupine Tree (although I almost fell over when she told me she thought they were better than Pink Floyd) , and I have an appreciation for Depeche Mode! |
Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:53
There's nothing sexist about my comments, women are just different. It's sexist to point out that the differences are bad, but it's not sexist to point out that there ARE differences. I don't think that the way I listen to music is right, and I don't think the way women listen to music is wrong, it's subjective, but I'm just pointing out trends based on observations. And yes, It IS all about personal taste but as a whole my comments shed light on how MOST women listen to music, not all. Women tend to look for different things in music than men, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! But I guess in today's age of political correctness, making observations about reality is seen as racist or sexist.... Would it be sexist if a woman didn't agree with my taste in music, or music that many men tend to like? No, so there is a pretty big double standard there.. -------------
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Posted By: fairyliar
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:08
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It's true that there are few girls liking prog. Just in the crowd at a gig, the conclusion is clear. I got two sisters, one is an exception she likes ELP, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Yes and even King Crimson's most obscure stuff like Red...the other likes Yes but that's all, she doesn't really cre about music. But yes most of women are hooked by melodies, often love lyrics or no point lyrics, sugar voices...just look to rnb, most of listeners are girls...it's simple repetitive rythm, easy melodies, poor lyrics... But it's the same for lots of men too...I can see it all around me. To be true, the audience for prog is very very few by these days compared to the 70s. Maybe a change of mind too... |